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Rubbish about Resurrection! -
07-09-2008, 10:55 AM
What would you think if I told you that there was another person who rose from the dead several years before Christ for the Salvation of Mankind and whose existence was known only to a few joos and that this resurrection was a link between Christianity and Judaism and/or shows that the Resurrection of Our Lord was a myth? Yes, you’d say that you always knew that old Bathfire was mad!
Well, it’s happened! And what’s more these so-called experts have concluded that the Resurrection, which is God’s Word and the whole tenet of Christianity, was based upon “ Gabriel’s Vision of Revelation” Before you read it, remember that this “tablet” was written by some ancient joo, who probably had his own agenda and that half the words are missing and that the person doing the study is also a joo. (Will they never accept responsibility for the Temporary Death of Jesus? Can they not simply accept that Jesus was both God and the Son of God? Must they always go around inventing excuses?)
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The death and resurrection of Christ has been called into question by a radical new interpretation of a tablet found on the eastern bank of the Dead Sea.
The three-foot stone tablet appears to refer to a Messiah who rises from the grave three days after his death - even though it was written decades before the birth of Jesus.
The ink is badly faded on much of the tablet, known as Gabriel’s Vision of Revelation, which was written rather than engraved in the 1st century BC. This has led some experts to claim that the inscription has been overinterpreted.
A previous paper published by the scholars Ada Yardeni and Binyamin Elitzur concluded that the most controversial lines were indecipherable.
Israel Knohl, a biblical studies professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, argued yesterday that line 80 of the text revealed Gabriel telling an historic Jewish rebel named Simon, who was killed by the Romans four years before the birth of Christ: “In three days you shall live, I, Gabriel, command you.”
Professor Knohl contends that the tablet proves that messianic followers possessed the paradigm of their leader rising from the grave before Jesus was born. He said that the text “could be the missing link between Judaism and Christianity in so far as it roots the Christian belief in the resurrection of the Messiah in Jewish tradition”.
Professor Knohl defended his theory at a conference at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem marking 60 years since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. He said that New Testament writers could have adapted a widely held messianic story in Judaism to Jesus and his followers. “Resurrection after three days becomes a motif developed before Jesus, which runs contrary to nearly all scholarship. What happens in the New Testament was adopted by Jesus and his followers based on an earlier messiah story.”
Several participants of the conference accused him of using the tablet to rehash a theory that he had presented in his 2002 book, The Messiah Before Jesus. Moshe Bar-Asher, president of the Academy of Hebrew Language, said that he would publish his own paper on the tablet in coming months that would take into account possible variations in the text.
Professor Knohl said he was aware that the tablet could upset Christians. For some the stone confirms Christianity’s roots in Jewish tradition while others feel that the tablet discredits the Resurrection as a mere reproduction of an ancient fable.
The owner of the tablet, David Jeselsohn, a Swiss-Israeli collector and archaeologist, said that he was excited by Professor Knohl’s interpretation, though he was not entirely convinced by it. “I am more cautious than Knohl,” he said. “Some people say it may take away from the uniqueness of Jesus’s Resurrection but I believe it gives credibility to the story that the followers were expecting a Messiah.”
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The JooYork Times reports it here and some Catlick anti-christ rubbish reports it here (I assume both will be wanting to make money out of it.)
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Re: Rubbish about Resurrection! -
07-09-2008, 11:32 AM
This is just more joo lies. They'll say or do literally anything (except part with a shiny nickel) to destroy Christianity.
That story reminds me of that Hercules myth from back in the olden days before Jesus. His father was supposed to be a "god" and his mother an earth woman. Likely story.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Rubbish about Resurrection! -
07-13-2008, 03:57 PM
Well, this is interesting...but not too revolutionary. Satan-worshiping "archaeologists" have for decades suggested that the life of Jesus was a fiction. Their well-worn and fallacious arguments run as follows:
1. The myths of Dionysius and Horus both prefigure the Christ story. For example, see the following scurrilous pack of lies:
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Horus was born as the son of Osiris the creator god. Born on December 25th, his birth was foretold by Thoth, the god of wisdom, who knew all things. Horus was called "Iusa", and Krst (The "annointed one"). Baptized by Anubis, he had 12 disciples (who were the 12 signs of the zodiac), and he performed miracles. It was Horus who raised Osiris from the dead (In Egyptian, he was "Azar", in Greek he was called "Azaris"). After suffering death, Horus was buried in a tomb where he was resurrected and ascended into "Amen-ti", the Egyptian heaven...
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2. All accounts of Jesus' life date from at least 40 years after His death, when the apostles -- if they existed -- would have been old men. (The earliest is Mark, written in AD 70; the latest accepted Gospel is John, probably written in the second century. Or maybe around 90 AD.) The Pauline epistles, not the Gospels, are actually the earliest known Christian documents, but Paul never met Jesus and makes almost no reference to details of His life. Justin Martyr, writing in 150 AD, does not mention the Gospels. 170 years after the crucifixion the scrivener Tatian wrote that he was working on a new Gospel -- indicating that at that time Christians were actively building the myth of Christ. Iranaeus, active nearly 200 years after the crucifixion, is the first to mention the specifics of the Gospels.
3. There are no contemporary records validating Jesus' existence: no Roman court records, no mention of Him in records of executions, no rap sheet with the name Jesus (or Iesus) at the top. Jewish records of the time don't mention Him; a single sentence mention of Jesus in the first-century records of Josephus was probably inserted by Eusebius in the fourth century.
All this is BULLSH*T! Jesus is LORD! Christians hear His gentle voice speaking to them, telling them that they are the Chosen and that all other people are broken pots, cast-asides, the discards of God.
How can you DOUBT the immanent reality of Jesus the Christ when He walks so closely beside you that, on a quiet evening, you can hear His sandals squeak?
Pray.
Pray for the misguided fools who require physical proof of THE INEFFABLE and perfect Savior!
~~ OEJ
ADDENDUM, later: I forgot one particularly fatuous piece of "evidence" that secularists and God-haters use against Jesus: At the time of Jesus' ministry there were at least three chroniclers of the times. Philo Judaeus lived outside Jerusalem while Jesus was preaching, and left a careful account of the doings of the Jewish community as well as news from abroad. He does not mention Jesus or His preaching to multitudes. Neither the historian Seneca nor Pliny the Elder, both writing during Jesus' time on Earth, mention any God-struck preacher attracting a great following in Judea.
Of course this is all rubbish, merely Satan's work to deceive man. We know Jesus exists, and SHALL RETURN!
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Re: Rubbish about Resurrection! -
07-15-2008, 12:40 AM
Well, this simply underscores the fact that the Bible is the only Source of information any Christian needs in matters of faith. Even today, with our instantaneous communication via satellites and the InnerTubes, not every single event is reported to every single person on earth, so how reasonable is it to assume that that would be the case when the news had to be hastily scribbled on broken potsherds and/or called from village to village? The Bible, however, contains "all the news that [was] fit to print" at the time it was written; thus, we can and should look only to it for any necessary guidance and answers. GLORY!
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Re: Rubbish about Resurrection! -
07-15-2008, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by One-eyed Jack
ADDENDUM, later: I forgot one particularly fatuous piece of "evidence" that secularists and God-haters use against Jesus: At the time of Jesus' ministry there were at least three chroniclers of the times. Philo Judaeus lived outside Jerusalem while Jesus was preaching, and left a careful account of the doings of the Jewish community as well as news from abroad. He does not mention Jesus or His preaching to multitudes. Neither the historian Seneca nor Pliny the Elder, both writing during Jesus' time on Earth, mention any God-struck preacher attracting a great following in Judea.
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Of course they didn't mention it. Reporting the truth would have blown a huge hole in what they wanted their readers to believe. Some things about the lie-beral MSM never change. The hellbound Christ-deniers might as well argue that the Exodus must not have happened because the Egyptians didn't write it down.
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