[CuriousAgnost]

As an Agnostic, I never take any beliefs for granted. I believe in some ultimate reality that generally supports good morals. But if signs show up pointing to an established religion being truthful, I'll think about becoming a follower.

But I also like to hear opinions from others and I think sometimes you "Born-Again" folks are somewhat misrepresented. So that is why I'd like to have some questions answered.

My first question involves how you are able to loathe groups such as the Muslims, Jews, Asians, homosexuals, and others. While the Bible itself outright condemns certain people (such as homosexuals), your Saviour Jesus seems to be quite the pacifist. For instance, when one of his disciples cuts off the ear of a Roman guard, Jesus does not like it and puts the ear back on. This guard was his enemy. How do you explain this?

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by CuriousAgnost

As an Agnostic, I never take any beliefs for granted. I believe in some ultimate reality that generally supports good morals. But if signs show up pointing to an established religion being truthful, I'll think about becoming a follower.

But I also like to hear opinions from others and I think sometimes you "Born-Again" folks are somewhat misrepresented. So that is why I'd like to have some questions answered.

My first question involves how you are able to loathe groups such as the Muslims, Jews, Asians, homosexuals, and others. While the Bible itself outright condemns certain people (such as homosexuals), your Saviour Jesus seems to be quite the pacifist. For instance, when one of his disciples cuts off the ear of a Roman guard, Jesus does not like it and puts the ear back on. This guard was his enemy. How do you explain this?

Friend,

We don't loath these people silly. We loath sin. We are battling for Satan for these poor hapless sinners souls to rescue them form eternal damnation. It doesn't matter to us if they are homosexuals, axe murders, serial rapists, Muslims or Democrats we are doing our best to help them.

Is it wrong to care friend?

Is it?

[Nobar King]

You're just a pantywaist who would let his little sister walk all over him. Your problem has nothing to do with beliefs or morals.

[Brother Lazarus]

Originally Posted by CuriousAgnost

As an Agnostic, I never take any beliefs for granted. I believe in some ultimate reality that generally supports good morals. But if signs show up pointing to an established religion being truthful, I'll think about becoming a follower.

But I also like to hear opinions from others and I think sometimes you "Born-Again" folks are somewhat misrepresented. So that is why I'd like to have some questions answered.

My first question involves how you are able to loathe groups such as the Muslims, Jews, Asians, homosexuals, and others. While the Bible itself outright condemns certain people (such as homosexuals), your Saviour Jesus seems to be quite the pacifist. For instance, when one of his disciples cuts off the ear of a Roman guard, Jesus does not like it and puts the ear back on. This guard was his enemy. How do you explain this?

As an Agnostic, you are doomed to eternity in HELL! Wash yourself in the Blood of Jesus and save your soul. Do it now. Don't delay. You may die this very minute! I will pray for you.

Yours in Christ

Brother Lazarus

[Once was lost]

AMEN BROTHER LAZARUS.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by CuriousAgnost

As an Agnostic, I never take any beliefs for granted. I believe in some ultimate reality that generally supports good morals. But if signs show up pointing to an established religion being truthful, I'll think about becoming a follower.

But I also like to hear opinions from others and I think sometimes you "Born-Again" folks are somewhat misrepresented. So that is why I'd like to have some questions answered.

My first question involves how you are able to loathe groups such as the Muslims, Jews, Asians, homosexuals, and others. While the Bible itself outright condemns certain people (such as homosexuals), your Saviour Jesus seems to be quite the pacifist. For instance, when one of his disciples cuts off the ear of a Roman guard, Jesus does not like it and puts the ear back on. This guard was his enemy. How do you explain this?

Kindly quote the verse, in context, that you are referring to.

Here's something that Jesus said for you to consider.

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

Kindly quote the verse, in context, that you are referring to.

Here's something that Jesus said for you to consider.

I can do that from memory. It is the eighteenth Book of John. Someone came to arrest Jesus and JOOdas was standing there to point Him out. Some say Malchus was a Roman Centurion, but no. He was merely the servant of a JOO, although he had Roman soldiers with him. The passage in question is this one:

John 18:10

"Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus."

[bobbob123]

Just out of curiosity,

- How do you explain the turning of the other cheek?
- Jesus' forgiveness of his executors as he died?
- the exhortation to love our enemies and love our neighbors?

How can you justify when Jesus himself rejected a violent nationalistic overthrow of the Roman oppressors?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Originally Posted by bobbob123

Just out of curiosity,

- How do you explain the turning of the other cheek?
- Jesus' forgiveness of his executors as he died?
- the exhortation to love our enemies and love our neighbors?

How can you justify when Jesus himself rejected a violent nationalistic overthrow of the Roman oppressors?

Jesus knew that unless money was involved the JOOS would never agree about anything and end up being slaughtered. He was trying to hold off the civil war until they got organized. They wouldn't listen to him, they never got organized and they got slaughtered.

It's really not very complicated.

[Jordan]

piffle ALL OF YOU!!! YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL piffleERS!!! I HOPE YOU ALL DIE SLOW PAINFUL DEATHS!!!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Jordan

piffle ALL OF YOU!!! YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL piffleERS!!! I HOPE YOU ALL DIE SLOW PAINFUL DEATHS!!!

That's the spirit, Jordan! Yes, all sinners ARE going to Hell!

However, it's not for us to wish unpleasantness upon them. That's God's job. We just warn them of what is to come.

Keep trying, you'll get it right!

[LissyLovesHerself]

Originally Posted by bobbob123

Just out of curiosity,

- How do you explain the turning of the other cheek?
- Jesus' forgiveness of his executors as he died?
- the exhortation to love our enemies and love our neighbors?

How can you justify when Jesus himself rejected a violent nationalistic overthrow of the Roman oppressors?

Theres really no point in this, these people won't budge. I've learned that so I've stopped trying as hard to convince them, cause its never gonna happen.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Lissy!!?? I see you!!

[Katander]

Originally Posted by LissyLovesHerself

Theres really no point in this, these people won't budge. I've learned that so I've stopped trying as hard to convince them, cause its never gonna happen.

But Lissy, you can change them. Just find a quote in the bible that supports your point of view and ensure there is no other quote that contradicts it...

and viola!

They will have to agree!

The hard part of course is trying to find a quote that fits that criteria...

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Katander

But Lissy, you can change them. Just find a quote in the bible that supports your point of view and ensure there is no other quote that contradicts it... and viola! They will have to agree! The hard part of course is trying to find a quote that fits that criteria...

There are no contradicting quotes in the Holy Bible. Why not actually read one instead of just talking about it?

[James Hutchins]

God obviously abhors violence. All he wants is for us to live in peace and harmony according to the rules and regulations as clearly spelled out in the Bible. Over and over, He has had written that if we abide by the teachings of the Bible, we will have wonderful lives followed by an eternity of bliss. If people refuse to follow the Bible and instead, folow those of the Devil, then yes, violence will ensue. For exapmle, do you enjoy having your rectum stretched wide and all sorts of objects inserted deep within your bowels? I for one do not.

[Katander]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

There are no contradicting quotes in the Holy Bible. Why not actually read one instead of just talking about it?

Hey Cranky

How about this... does god sleep?

No

Psalm 121:3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.

Yes

Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

[Robert Jones]

Originally Posted by Katander

Hey Cranky

How about this... does god sleep?

No

Psalm 121:3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.

Yes

Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Clearly David, in one of his times of sin and the Lord was not answering him.

Read the passage in context.

Psalms 44:18-26

18 Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from thy way; 19 Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death. 20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; 21 Shall not God search this out ? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart. 22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter. 23 Awake , why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise , cast us not off for ever. 24 Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression? 25 For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. 26 Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

This certainly doesn't not mean that God was sleeping, God simply was not answering the calls of David because he was living in sin. Once He repented of his sin, God spoke to him again. But thank God that True Christians™ do not have to worry about God not answering our prayers, because we, as True Christians™ cannot sin.

[Katander]

Originally Posted by Robert Jones

Clearly David, in one of his times of sin and the Lord was not answering him.

Read the passage in context.



This certainly doesn't not mean that God was sleeping, God simply was not answering the calls of David because he was living in sin. Once He repented of his sin, God spoke to him again. But thank God that True Christians™ do not have to worry about God not answering our prayers, because we, as True Christians™ cannot sin.

Pastor Billy says...
We believe that the Bible is the literal inerrant Word of God. We understand the Bible by following the principle of "least scripture twisting". We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means. This method of understanding the Bible leads to the least amount of Scripture twisting. We read the words for what they say, rather than what we want them to say.

So read it literaly as a child would read it...
Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Or is Pastor Billy wrong?

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Katander

Pastor Billy says...
We believe that the Bible is the literal inerrant Word of God. We understand the Bible by following the principle of "least scripture twisting". We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means. This method of understanding the Bible leads to the least amount of Scripture twisting. We read the words for what they say, rather than what we want them to say.

So read it literaly as a child would read it...
Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Or is Pastor Billy wrong?

Have you heard of the Trinity?

Clearly God was taking a nap there while the Holy Spirit was keeping an eye on business.

But, for the sake of argument let's say God told a fib to King David and was sound asleep. So what? God forgave Himself when He (as Jesus) was baptized and accepted Himself as His own personal savior.