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01-27-2013, 06:52 AM
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You say a lot of words in order to say nothing at all, don't you! It comes down to what is true and what is false. And the Bible is true or it wouldn't say so in the Bible.
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Your logic is flawed. This should be short enough.
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01-27-2013, 09:28 AM
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Your logic is flawed. This should be short enough.
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Where else would you expect it to say that the Bible is true?
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Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer -
01-27-2013, 10:07 AM
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Your logic is flawed. This should be short enough.
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Typical.
When faced with the Ultimate Truth of the Holy Word of God this degenerate self abuser reverts to insults and of all things, "logic".
Psalms 116:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and euery one of thy righteous iudgements endureth for euer.
Sort of says it all dosen't it?
Isaiah 66:15
For behold, the Lord wil come with fire, and with his charets like a whirlewinde, to render his anger with furie, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
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01-27-2013, 05:50 PM
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Typical.
When faced with the Ultimate Truth of the Holy Word of God this degenerate self abuser reverts to insults and of all things, "logic".
Psalms 116:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and euery one of thy righteous iudgements endureth for euer.
Sort of says it all dosen't it?
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"Your logic is flawed" is not an insult. And I've been using logic this whole time, and some of you have attempted or have done so as well.
Where else would I expect it to say the Bible is true?
Absolutely everywhere in the physical world. As God has created it, it should correlate with the Bible. And I'd expect True Christians to state this and give realistic examples(unlike those found in this section) to avoid being accused of circular reasoning.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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01-27-2013, 07:04 PM
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Where else would I expect it to say the Bible is true?
Absolutely everywhere in the physical world. As God has created it, it should correlate with the Bible. And I'd expect True Christians to state this and give realistic examples(unlike those found in this section) to avoid being accused of circular reasoning.
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And here it is, right in front of you. It rains, God makes it rain like it says in the Bible. It snows... guess what!
Job 37:5-6,10-11,14-17
5God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.
6For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength.
10By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.
11Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud:
14Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God.
15Dost thou know when God disposed them, and caused the light of his cloud to shine?
16Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?
17How thy garments are warm, when he quieteth the earth by the south wind?
It's all there for you, waiting, just as described. You're not meant to understand it, just be in wonder and give thanks.
Job 37:23-24
23Touching the Almighty, we cannot find him out: he is excellent in power, and in judgment, and in plenty of justice: he will not afflict.
24Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any that are wise of heart. But you have to go and try to be an ungrateful clever clogs. Well God has no respect for you.
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21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. ![Sinner](images/smilies/sinner.gif) So, you see, God hates you. You are going to go to Hell.
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01-27-2013, 07:29 PM
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And here it is, right in front of you. It rains, God makes it rain like it says in the Bible. It snows... guess what!
It's all there for you, waiting, just as described. You're not meant to understand it, just be in wonder and give thanks.
24Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any that are wise of heart.
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Interesting. Sorry if the Bible prohibits you from thinking about this, but why did he grant us the ability to do so? Why did he make things possible that he doesn't want on earth or doesn't want us to do?
Also, I specifically stated "absolutely everywhere." The Bible does not correlate with absolutely every aspect of the physical world, as shown in thousands of examples. This isn't the point though. The point is that you should state that it does correlate, because the Bible proves the Bible isn't a valid argument.
Humans have been able to comprehend where rain comes from for quite a while now. However, the 'no thinking' rule prohibits True Christians from comprehending this, so I completely understand.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer -
01-27-2013, 09:18 PM
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Interesting. Sorry if the Bible prohibits you from thinking about this, but why did he grant us the ability to do so? Why did he make things possible that he doesn't want on earth or doesn't want us to do?
[/INDENT]Also, I specifically stated "absolutely everywhere." The Bible does not correlate with absolutely every aspect of the physical world, as shown in thousands of examples. This isn't the point though. The point is that you should state that it does correlate, because the Bible proves the Bible isn't a valid argument.
Humans have been able to comprehend where rain comes from for quite a while now. However, the 'no thinking' rule prohibits True Christians from comprehending this, so I completely understand.
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You really weren't paying attention, were you? We don't need to understand, God is beyond our comprehension and God hates us if we try to figure it out.
I'm inclined to be more worried about that than satisfying the daft questions of some annoying atheist on the internet.
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer -
01-27-2013, 10:36 PM
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You really weren't paying attention, were you? We don't need to understand, God is beyond our comprehension and God hates us if we try to figure it out.
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Don't think you got the point. The point was that this "the Bible proves the Bible is true" is flawed.
It should state a connection to something distinct from your deduction, in this case, the physical world.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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01-27-2013, 10:48 PM
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Don't think you got the point. The point was that this "the Bible proves the Bible is true" is flawed.
It should state a connection to something distinct from your deduction, in this case, the physical world.
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Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer -
01-27-2013, 11:53 PM
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Don't think you got the point. The point was that this "the Bible proves the Bible is true" is flawed.
It should state a connection to something distinct from your deduction, in this case, the physical world.
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Friend,
You argue we should prove The Bible with the world we observe, however, how can we rule out Satan faking the results? Take grasshoppers were Satan has clearly added extra legs to them.
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01-28-2013, 12:31 AM
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You argue we should prove The Bible with the world we observe, however, how can we rule out Satan faking the results? Take grasshoppers were Satan has clearly added extra legs to them.
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This has probably been asked before, but why is Satan able to mess with the Creation made by the omnipotent God?
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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01-28-2013, 12:35 AM
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Don't think you got the point. The point was that this "the Bible proves the Bible is true" is flawed.
It should state a connection to something distinct from your deduction, in this case, the physical world.
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I've been reading along with you, and the big thing I'm seeing is that you somehow want us to "logically" define God to you. Well God can't be defined "logically", he is beyond what our little brains can comprehend. That's why it's called FAITH.
Psalm 101:6 Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me: he that walketh in a perfect way, he shall serve me.
Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Matthew 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
Matthew 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
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01-28-2013, 12:46 AM
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I've been reading along with you, and the big thing I'm seeing is that you somehow want us to "logically" define God to you. Well God can't be defined "logically", he is beyond what our little brains can comprehend. That's why it's called FAITH.
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No, I want you to explain logically why you believe in God and the Bible. Faith would not be considered a logical explanation. I stated a possible logical explanation above.
Anyways, could someone inform me about the whole Satan deal? Why is Satan able to mess with the Creation made by the omnipotent God?
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
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01-28-2013, 01:36 AM
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No, I want you to explain logically why you believe in God and the Bible. Faith would not be considered a logical explanation. I stated a possible logical explanation above.
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Listen, pally; You are about one more smart-assed comment away from being asked to leave this Godly forum. Unsaved scum such as yourself are unwelcome here anyway, but to waltz in and demand that we abandon our Faith is going too far.
I'm watching you, demon.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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01-28-2013, 03:18 AM
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Listen, pally; You are about one more smart-assed comment away from being asked to leave this Godly forum. Unsaved scum such as yourself are unwelcome here anyway, but to waltz in and demand that we abandon our Faith is going too far.
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I definitely did not do that. You all don't like logic anyway, so why would it matter that faith isn't considered a logical explanation(to atheists)?
Sorry, I am not demanding anyone to abandon their faith.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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01-28-2013, 03:48 AM
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No, I want you to explain logically why you believe in God and the Bible. Faith would not be considered a logical explanation. I stated a possible logical explanation above.
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Faith is a perfectly logical explanation. You have faith in secular science, or do you recreate every scientific study ever done?
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Anyways, could someone inform me about the whole Satan deal? Why is Satan able to mess with the Creation made by the omnipotent God?
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Oh, come on now, everyone knows this one. Because of Adam and Eve, they messed up and now we all have to pay the price.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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01-28-2013, 04:02 AM
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Faith is a perfectly logical explanation. You have faith in secular science, or do you recreate every scientific study ever done?
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Well, technically, it is faith. I have been able to logically understand most scientific concepts I know of, so I assume that the findings of science are almost always logical. Now, is assuming that really that logical? The answer is no. So no, faith isn't a logical explanation.
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Oh, come on now, everyone knows this one. Because of Adam and Eve, they messed up and now we all have to pay the price.
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Yes, I know that, but why did God give them the ability to mess up? Or allowed the existence of Satan to tempt them? "Testing them" really isn't a good explanation, considering he had to deal with the atrocities of man for the next 6000 years.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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01-28-2013, 04:11 AM
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Yes, I know that, but why did God give them the ability to mess up? Or allowed the existence of Satan to tempt them? "Testing them" really isn't a good explanation, considering he had to deal with the atrocities of man for the next 6000 years.
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Who the hell do you think you are, demanding "why" of God Almighty? Don't you know that He works in mysterious ways?
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Isaiah 55:8-9: For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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01-28-2013, 04:14 AM
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Who the hell do you think you are, demanding "why" of God Almighty? Don't you know that He works in mysterious ways? ![Angry](images/smilies/angry.gif)
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My apologies, as an atheist, I am unrestrained in questioning the Bible so I sometimes forget that you guys are.
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01-28-2013, 04:18 AM
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My apologies, as an atheist, I am unrestrained in questioning the Bible so I sometimes forget that you guys are.
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We're not "restrained." We just know our place.
Obviously, you don't.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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