[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

The bible deals with plenty of metaphors that are meant to be interpreted. Also, your scripture only talks about prophesy.

"Prophecy"?

noun, plural prophecies. the foretelling or prediction of what is to come.

1 Timothy 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

"Shall"?

Will and shall are modal verbs. They are used with the base form of the main verb (They will go; I shall ask her). Shall is only used for future time reference ... is more formal than will.

Prophecy = prediction of future things. Shall = a modal verb about the future. -> Shall contains a prophecy by definition.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Thus, this means that predictions of future things are included. "She shall" is included. No private interpretation allowed. Q.E.D.

Please tell me that you at least can make a wicked pie called the Sachertorte, as it would really please your future husband!


Yours on Christ,

Elmer

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

So I'm guessing you are not a True Christian


Luke 6:37
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:


So, maybe take the plank of wood out of your own eye before you take the speck out of my eye


Have a great day

Honey, have you heard about logic?

You admitted that you sin with lust.

We showed you that a righteous person does not sin. Here is another verse on the matter:

1 John 3:6-9
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So I'm not sure where the judging part is coming from. But while you're at it, please don't forget to check out an excellent sermon about the most misunderstood passage in the Bible.

[BiHeathen]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

The fact that you are a self-admitted repeated offender shows that you do not walk with God

Does no one sin on this site or something? 1 John 1:8-10

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Wrong.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Oh I'm sorry. Everyone except Jesus sins.

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Wrong again.

Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

So what you are saying is, I have been forgiven.

Originally Posted by Basilissa

And as I already told you, keep reading to John 3:18.

Repent for your sins and accept Jesus into your heart!

I will pray for you.

You are a very nice person and a great Christian.
I accepted Jesus into my heart when I was 5 and repent every day, but thank you anyway

Have a great day

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

I am sorry if I was misconstrued as boasting. I am simply saying that there are issues with the conservative belief, such as that they dont align with passage of scripture referenced.

A Christian must be conservative -- if by conservative you mean someone who strives to conserve and obey God's laws. God revealed His laws to man from about 1,500 B.C. to 100 A.D. They did not change during this time and they have not changed since. God cannot change, and neither can His Word.

Mal 3:6a For I am the Lord, I change not.

Mt 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Changing times, customs and traditions are no excuse for breaking God's law. The but-it's-the-current-year argument doesn't fly with God. Jesus condemned the liberal Pharisees for allowing sons out of their Biblical obligation to financially support their parents.

Mk 7:9-13
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

This commandment is still ignored by Western society, where socialist welfare states have largely taken on this role, when by rights people who won't support their parents are worse than unbelievers (1 Tim 5:8) and should be put to death (Mk 7:10).

[BiHeathen]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

I guess I'm not sure what do you mean by conservative belief. What we believe is that the Bible is the Word of God and it is to be followed. Is that a conservative belief?

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Pastor Ezekial was trying to tell me that I had to be conservative to be Christian and I was rebutting his point.


Have a lovely day

[Didymus Much]

Hi. I noticed a few points others haven't caught up with yet:

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

...no one sin is worse than another...

Wrong.

Matthew 12:31 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

...So, maybe take the plank of wood out of your own eye before you take the speck out of my eye...

Maybe you should read this thread: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible

[BiHeathen]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

every sane person would now Repent and join us in Worship!

Umm I gave my life to Jesus when I was 5 and repent every day but try again sweaty. Also that smily thing looks like I'm joining a cult. That's really going to turn off 'unsaved trash'

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Well the verse you are quoting is obviously about condemning from love, which is about being nice so

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

So I'm guessing you are not a True Christian

Luke 6:37
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

So, maybe take the plank of wood out of your own eye before you take the speck out of my eye

I'm confused. So how are you supposed to "be nice" and rebuke your neighbor if you're not allowed to judge?

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

Everyone sins, and no one sin is worse than another.

John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

[BiHeathen]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

"Prophecy"?
1 Timothy 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

"Shall"?
Prophecy = prediction of future things. Shall = a modal verb about the future. -> Shall contains a prophecy by definition.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Thus, this means that predictions of future things are included. "She shall" is included. No private interpretation allowed. Q.E.D.

I am probably going to get blocked for this, but here's a different translation of that scripture (pls moderators don't block me I love learning more about different opinions about the scripture)
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.
Take with that what you will

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

Please tell me that you at least can make a wicked pie called the Sachertorte, as it would really please your future husband!

Why can't he make it himself?
Again I am Australian, so I can't make whatever that is but I can make a mean chocolate ripple cake for my future partner.

[BiHeathen]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Honey, have you heard about logic?

You admitted that you sin with lust.

We showed you that a righteous person does not sin. Here is another verse on the matter:

1 John 3:6-9
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So I'm not sure where the judging part is coming from. But while you're at it, please don't forget to check out an excellent sermon about the most misunderstood passage in the Bible.

Again, 1 John 1:8-10


Here's an excellent blog post about judging as well
http://baysidechurch.com.au/are-chri...-judge-others/

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

Does no one sin on this site or something? 1 John 1:8-10

Oh I'm sorry. Everyone except Jesus sins.

So you deny the Scripture that has been offered to you, repeatedly?

Why is it so hard to understand that 1 John 1:8-10 talks about people before they are Saved - in the context of the verses I quoted?

Or are you trying to imply that the Holy Bible is somehow internally contradictory?

So what you are saying is, I have been forgiven.

I don't think so - the fact that you keep sinning with lust in your heart shows that you're still on the road to damnation.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

You are a very nice person and a great Christian.
I accepted Jesus into my heart when I was 5 and repent every day, but thank you anyway

Have a great day

Thank you dear, and I sincerely hope this is the day when you decide to stop sinning altogether (John 8:11).

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

Pastor Ezekial was trying to tell me that I had to be conservative to be Christian and I was rebutting his point.

No dear, he did not say that you have to be conservative, he was just sorry to burst your liberal bubble. Big difference, there.

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

Here's an excellent blog post about judging as well

Thank you, but I prefer to stick to Bible-based sermons offered at our Church.

[BiHeathen]

Originally Posted by Pim Pendergast

A Christian must be conservative -- if by conservative you mean someone who strives to conserve and obey God's laws. God revealed His laws to man from about 1,500 B.C. to 100 A.D. They did not change during this time and they have not changed since. God cannot change, and neither can His Word.

Well I wasn't, I was talking about the political conservative belief ie liberal vs conservative

[BiHeathen]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

So you deny the Scripture that has been offered to you, repeatedly?

Why is it so hard to understand that 1 John 1:8-10 talks about people before they are Saved - in the context of the verses I quoted?

Or are you trying to imply that the Holy Bible is somehow internally contradictory?

I don't think so - the fact that you keep sinning with lust in your heart shows that you're still on the road to damnation.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Do you never sin? Are you truly sinless? Also, 1 John 5:18 is talking about Jesus, not everyone

Originally Posted by Basilissa

No dear, he did not say that you have to be conservative, he was just sorry to burst your liberal bubble. Big difference, there.

Sorry, I did not understand what he meant

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

Do you never sin? Are you truly sinless?

Do you think that God would be so cruel to order me to achieve something impossible to achieve?

Jesus is very clear that He wants all His followers to be perfect and sin free:

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Also, 1 John 5:18 is talking about Jesus, not everyone

Sorry to disappoint you, but "whosoever" implies multiple individuals. We are all children of God (1 John 3:1, John 1:12, 2 Cor 6:18).

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

Here's an excellent blog post about judging as well
http://baysidechurch.com.au/are-chri...-judge-others/

That post claims Matthew 7:1-5 is a prohibition against condemning others. There are other passages in the Bible where Christians are commanded to judge/ condemn people. Further on in Matthew's Gospel, we are told what to do if an erring "brother" refuses to repent. We are to gather together as God's people, and with the full authority of Jesus in our midst, cast them out of the church. Whatever we bind on earth will be bound in heaven.

Mt 18:15-20
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Jn 20:22-23
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

1 Cor 5:1-13
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Mt 10:14-15
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

2 Jn 1:9-11
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Jud 1:22-23
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

[BiHeathen]

I didn't write the blog post, nor do I know the person who wrote it, so maybe take up your complaints with them

[BiHeathen]

Question time: How do I become a True Christian on here?
How do I get badges?
What happens with infractions?
How do I get rid of them?

[Pim Pendergast]

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

I didn't write the blog post, nor do I know the person who wrote it

No, but you used it to back up your claim that Christians aren't allowed to judge. It's bunk. Instead of relying on others to argue for you, you should read the whole Bible for yourself. Don't just cherry-pick the parts you like and listen to people who tell you what you want to hear.

2 Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

You need to be clear in your own mind what God's Word says on everything, and then you will be able to argue with some authority.

[Phil Ander]

Originally Posted by BiHeathen

Question time: How do I become a True Christian on here?
How do I get badges?
What happens with infractions?
How do I get rid of them?

I was once "Unsaved Trash" I am now a True Christian ™. Believing and following God's Word is a prerequisite for the Department of Faith to consider an upgrade.


Your attitudinal opinions, that you know better than God, are unlikely to advance your case.


Repentance, and acceptance that God and his chosen Servants at Landover have the knowledge and the power to Guide you to Glory is a Journey to take. We are a Loving Church and will be with you on the Journey.


Felicitous Phil

[BiHeathen]

Thank you for answering some my questions. I have a few more. What is the Department of Faith?
How do I apply for an upgrade?
What do you mean by attitudinal opinions?
Also, I have never claimed to know better than God, just that a lot of people on here don't understand his true message.


May God bless you and have a great day