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Default Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 02:35 AM

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By Rev. Jack Barr The term ''Queen of Heaven'' is unknown to most people, and of those who have heard the term, few of them know who or what it refers to. Our intention here is to help you to understand the meaning of the term "Queen of Heaven" when you come across it in the Bible. This is a Satanic cult or practice that crept into many religions around the world, including some of the Christian churches. The easiest way to explain it is to quote from other books:
Secular history and tradition tell us that "Nimrod" married a woman who was as evil and demonic as himself. Her name was "Semerimus". Knowing God's promise of a future Savior (Gen. 3:15), Semerimus brazenly claimed that "Tammuz", her first son, fulfilled this prophecy. Semerimus thereupon instituted a religious system which made both her and her son the objects of divine worship. She herself became the first high priestess. Thus began the Mother-child cult which later spread all over the world. The city of Babylon was the seat of Satan worship until it fell, in 539 B.C., to the Persians.

  1. From Babylon it spread to Phoenicia under the name of Ashteroth and Tammuz.
  2. From Phoenicia it traveled to Pergamos in Asia Minor. This is the reason for John's admonition to the church at Pergamos in the book of Revelation: ''I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is'' (Rev. 2:13).
  3. In Egypt the mother-child cult was known as Isia and Horus.
  4. In Greece it became Aphrodite and Eros.
  5. In Rome this pair was worshipped as Venus and cupid.
  6. In China it became known as Mother Shing Moo and her child.
  7. In Mexico an image was found and authenticated as belonging to the period about 200 years before Christ, where it was the center of religious worship among some of the early Indians in Mexico. The image was of a mother with a child in her arms.
The teachings of Semerimus' satanic church (mother-child).

  1. That Semerimus herself was the way to God. She actually adopted the title ''Queen of Heaven''.
  2. That she alone could administer salvation to the sinner through various sacraments, such as the sprinkling of holy water.
  3. That her son Tammuz was tragically slain by a wild boar during a hunting trip.
  4. That he was, however, resurrected from the dead forty days later. Thus, each year afterward, the temple virgins of this cult would enter a forty-day fast as a memorial to Tammuz' death and resurrection.
  5. After the forty-day fast, a joyful feast called Ishtar took place. At this feast colored eggs were exchanged Our Easter tradition and eaten as a symbol of the resurrection. An evergreen tree was displayed and a Yule log was burned Our Christmas tradition. Finally, hot cakes marked with the letter T (to remind everybody of Tammuz) were baked and eaten. Our yearly Hot Cross buns during the lent season.
About 2000 B.C., God called Abraham away from all this (see Josh. 24:2-3) and led him into the promised land, but by 850 B.C. Israel had returned to this devil worship under the influence of wicked Jezebel (1 Kings 16:30-33). At this time the cult was worshipped under the name of Baal. Both Ezekiel and Jeremiah warned against this hellish thing.

  1. Ezek. 8:14 ....there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
  2. Jer. 7:18 .....and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven.
  3. Jer. 44:25 .... to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to her.
By the time of Christ, this cult had so influenced Roman life that the Caesars were not only crowned as emperors of Rome, but also bore the title Pontifex Maximus, meaning, ''high priest''. They were high priest of the Babylonian satanic church.
During A.D. 306, A Roman Emperor named Constantine, was threatened by a very powerful enemy army. Realizing that his uneasy troops needed confidence, Constantine claimed to have seen a vision on the eve of battle. He saw a large blue flag with a red cross on it and heard a mighty voice which said, In hoc signo vinces --- ''In this sign conquer.'' He thereupon marched his troops into a shallow river, claimed them to be officially baptized, and ordered the sign of the cross painted on all his weapons. Thus inspired, he led his troops to victory and subsequently made Christianity the state religion of Rome.
The Roman priests of Tammuz soon discovered that they could easily make the transition into Christianity (with certain changes) and thereupon carried their traditions forward without interruption by promoting the Madonna-Child worship concept, the holy water sacrament, etc.
For nearly 300 years the devil had attempted to destroy the church from outside by his terrible persecutions. But with the advent of Constantine he changed his tactics, walking the aisle to work from within. The corrupted church was already flourishing in Christ's day and the Savior delivered a scathing attack against some of its very deacons and elders (Matt. 23)
(From Wilmington's Guide to the Bible pp. 570-571)
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Queen of Heaven (Heb. melekheth ha-sha-mayim). Some controversy surrounds the philology and significance of this title, but it seems best to regard it as the female deity to whom, with their families' aid and connivance, Hebrew women made offerings (Jer 7:18; 44:17-25). The most likely identification is with Ashtoreth, goddess of love and fertility, synonymous with the Assyrian and Babylonian Istar, and the Roman Venus. The ''wailing for Tammuz'' was associated with her cult (Ezek. 8:14). Its ritual was the license and obscenity characteristic of the eastern fertility cults, ever a temptation to the Hebrews, and the chief objective of the prophets' attack on paganism. (from The Zondervan Pictorial Bible Dictionary)
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1. There is no scriptural record of idolatry before the Flood. 2. Shortly after the flood and probably in connection with the daring scheme of the Babel tower of Genesis 2, appears the earliest historical record we have of idolatry. ''The discoveries of Nineveh and Babylon reveal that a secret organization of unbelievers was formed soon after the death of Nimrod (Gen. 10), at a time when open apostasy was dangerous, and that its members established their headquarters at Babylon. From this center they labored with ceaseless activity to confuse and destroy the knowledge of Jehovah in the world and to bring men under the yoke of demon gods. They soon became a powerful and influential body continuing to be a secret society, not wishing to share their power and privileges with any but those willing to pass through the ordeal of initiation, which included a baptism, after which the initite was termed twice-born or regenerate (Greek diphyees), and worship was originally offered to a trinity consisting of father, mother and son. But the first person was very commonly confused with the third, and at last almost forgotten; so that the prominent deities were the mother and son. Of these the former was by far the most popular and has been known according to time and place as Queen of Heaven, Mother of the gods, Mylitta, Astarte, Diana of Ephesus, Aphrodite, Venus, Isis and the Blessed Virgin'' (from; Pember -- ''Great Prophecies'')
(From The Book of Revelation, by William R. Newell, page 274)
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From ''beyond the river'' (Euphrates) --that is, from Mesopotamia, more particularly from Babel (later Babylon), and still more definitely from the daring acts of Nimrod, the ''mighty destroyer'' whose wife, Semiramis, (one of the most able and wicked women of the human race) was, upon her death deified as ''Queen of Heaven'', do we trace the beginnings of idolatry, which eventuates in Satan-worship. (From The Book of Revelation, by William R. Newell, page 375)
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(i) Read "Jer. 7:18" It seems that the papists gathered of this place "Salbe Regina" and "Regina caeli latare" calling the virgin Mary, Queen of Heaven and so out of the blessed virgin and mother of our savior Christ, made an idol; for here the prophet condemns their idolatry. (K) This is still the argument of idolaters who esteem religion by the belly and instead of acknowledging God's works who sends both plenty and famine, health and sickness. They attribute it to their idols and so dishonor God.
(From the margin notes of the Geneva Bible for Jer. 44:17)
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Queen of Heaven or, Frame of Heaven As the Sun was worshipped, not only under the name of Baal Shamayim, "Lord of Heaven", but also by that of Molech, or King; it is likely also that the Moon was adored as Melecheth Hashshamayim, "The Queen of Heaven." So the Orphic hymn addressed to the Moon begins [Klythi thea BASILEIA], Hear goddess Queen. And Homer, in his Hymn to the Moon, addresses her, [Chaire, anassa, thea], All hail, Queen, goddess. In Epiphanies, we find some women of Arabia, towards the end of the fourth century, had set up another Queen of Heaven, the Virgin Mary, too well known since under that name and character, whom they likewise worshipped as a goddess, by holding stated assemblies every year to her honor , and by offering a cake of bread in her name; whence these heretics were called Collyridians, from the Greek [Kollyris,] a cake.
(From the Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge for Jer. 44:17)
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To the Virgin Mary they pray in these words: "O Mother of God, Queen of heaven, command thy Son to have mercy upon us!" and, "The right use of images," says the Council of Trent, "is to honor them, by bowing down before them." (Sess. 25, pars 2.) This doctrine strikes at the root of that great commandment, (which the Papists call part of the first,) "Thou shalt not bow down to them, nor worship them." That is, not any image whatsoever. It is gross, open, palpable idolatry, such as can neither be denied nor excused; and tends directly to destroy the love of God, which is indeed the first and greatest commandment.
(From the Works of John Wesley, vol. 11, page 215)
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They worship the picture of the Queen of Heaven, you, the picture of the Queen or King of England. In another way, they idolize a dead man or woman; whereas your idol is yet alive. O How little is the difference before God! How small preeminence has the money worshipper at London, over the image-worshiper at Rome; or the idolizer of a living sinner, over him that prays to a dead saint! (From the Works of John Wesley, vol. 11, page 217)
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Baal signifies Lord, ruler, and is used as the designation of a Phoenician deity. Among the Chaldeans he was called Bell, or Belus. He was regarded as the generative, controlling principle, of which the sun or the planet of Jupiter was the symbol, and to the people the direct object of worship. With him was associated a female deity, Ashtaroth, the Greek Astarte, called Queen of heaven, the moon. But as Baal was also associated with the planet Jupiter, so was Ashtaroth with Venus. (From Romans Commentary by Charles Hodge for Romans 11:4)
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Jer 7:18; The husband, the children, the women -- Here God shows how busily they are employed from the youngest to the oldest for their idolatry. The Queen -- as the sun was looked upon as king, so the moon as the Queen of heaven. (From page 1998 of John Wesley's notes on the bible for Jer. 7:18)
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All generations shall call me blessed. -- this was the character by which alone she wished to be known; vis. The blessed or happy virgin. What dishonor do those do this holy woman, who give her names and character which her pure soul would abhor; and which properly belong to God her Savior! By her votaries she is addressed as Queen of Heaven, mother of God, etc. Titles both absurd and blasphemous. (From page 701 of Adam Clarke's concise commentary on Luke 1:48)
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The children gather wood -- Here is a description of a whole family gathered together, and acting unitedly in idolatrous worship. 1. The children go and collect wood, and bring it to the place of sacrifice.
2. The fathers lay it in order, and kindle a fire.
3. The mother and her maids knead dough, make their batch, and out of it form cakes, and bake them for the honor of the Queen of Heaven;
most probably the moon, though perhaps not exclusive of the sun and planets, generally called the host of heaven.
(From vol. 4, page 604, of Adam Clarke's concise commentary for Jer:718)
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Verse 9; Have ye forgotten the wickedness of your fathers -- It seems that the women were principal agents in idolatrous practices; for the queens - the wives, of rulers and of common people, burn incense to the Queen of Heaven (the moon) ver. 17, and poured out drink offerings to her. Verse 19; And when we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven -- The moon seems to have been called melecheth, as the sun was called Molech.
(From vol. 4, page 760, of Adam Clarke's concise commentary for Jer. 44:9, 19)
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The purpose of this article is so that you will understand what the term "The Queen of Heaven" means when you read it in the Bible, and the relationship of "Tammuz." The Virgin Mother of Jesus, Mary, is to be honored. Her son Jesus, who is the Son of God, and God the Son (Word) is to be worshipped! God has made it very clear throughout the Bible (God's Word), God only is to be worshipped.
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
That NO ONE ELSE, OR NO THING is to be worshipped! To worship Mary as the Mother of God, or as the Queen of Heaven, is idolatry! I have noted that there are some who are unable to distinguish the difference between honoring and worshipping. These are the ones who cross the line into idolatry. May they ask Jesus to guide them into understanding this difference.
For myself, I make note that every reference in the Bible concerning the Queen of Heaven or Tammuz, is ALWAYS shown to be idolatry and an abomination before God. Therefore, those so called Christians who placed the tag of Queen of Heaven on the Virgin Mary defiled her name and tied her directly to idolatry.
O, I know that some of you who read this will become very upset with me. You have been worshipping the Virgin Mary and you don't want to be told that you are committing idolatry. I know the argument, that you don't worship her, you only venerate her. That is what your leaders said. Well I suggest that you do a good word study on those two words, you will find that they go round and round in a circle, each word pointing to the other. I also suggest that you research to see what actions are considered to be worship.
I do not want E-Mail, letters or phone calls about this. You will not change my beliefs and I can not change yours. I have in reality gone much deeper into this study than I have printed here.
As long as you keep your eyes on Jesus, and worship God only, you will not fall into the trap shown above. As I said at the start, the intent is to help you to understand the meaning of the term "Queen of Heaven" in the Bible.
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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 02:41 AM

Sounds awfully Cathyolick to me. Damn the papists . . .


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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 04:03 AM

Actually, the author is damning papist doctrine.

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The purpose of this article is so that you will understand what the term "The Queen of Heaven" means when you read it in the Bible, and the relationship of "Tammuz." The Virgin Mother of Jesus, Mary, is to be honored. Her son Jesus, who is the Son of God, and God the Son (Word) is to be worshipped! God has made it very clear throughout the Bible (God's Word), God only is to be worshipped.
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
That NO ONE ELSE, OR NO THING is to be worshipped! To worship Mary as the Mother of God, or as the Queen of Heaven, is idolatry! I have noted that there are some who are unable to distinguish the difference between honoring and worshipping. These are the ones who cross the line into idolatry. May they ask Jesus to guide them into understanding this difference.
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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 05:20 AM

Thank you for sharing this, Nurse Clampit!

In the future, could you include a link to the original source?

Many unSaved Cathoholics who visit our forum will accuse us -- yes, US -- of being dishonest. By providing the original link, they can go look it up themselves to prove we didn't make up something damning them for worshipping the very dead Mary.


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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 06:02 AM

In fact "Papists" call Mary, Mary, other names are only used to for prayse and prayer just like everybody calls God "Holy Lord" for example. And Mary is not dead at all, The Bible proves it,as it not specified her death anywhere.
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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 06:09 AM

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In fact "Papists" call Mary, Mary, other names are only used to for prayse and prayer just like everybody calls God "Holy Lord" for example. And Mary is not dead at all, The Bible proves it,as it not specified her death anywhere.
Mary is dead and stinking. Se was merely the human vessel that GOD used to bake JESUS and afterward she had several more children with her husband and died. The Bible says that everyone died in the flood, but it doesn't list names. Trust me no one even bothered to mark her grave. Women probably don't have souls and in any case they aren't going to Heaven. It DOES say THAT in the Bible.


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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 06:36 AM

At the Wedding feast of Cana, Mary pointed out to Jesus that the hosts of the wedding feast were running out of wine. It wasn't a matter of life or death, but certainly one of losing face, and embaressment for the family. Jesus at first protested at the notion of helping in this. He reminded His mother that it was not yet time for Him to begin His public mission.'My time has not yet come." Mary, woman of faith, simply told the servant to do whatever Jesus told them to...and she worked the miracle of changing water into wine anyway, ahead of planned time for public miracles. ( John 1:1-12)

And remember that, one of the last things Jesus did as He hung in agony on the cross, was to provide a career and a home for His mother. When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" "And from that moment the disciple made a place for her in his home" ( John 19:26-27)
It was common in those days to call cousins brothers and sisters. Also, the scripture does not imply that 'Jesus rejects Mary' - rather it implys that if we follow Jesus and His teachings, we become his 'family' so to speak.

Jesus never rejected a request from Mary. Mary is Jesus mother. No son rejects his mother.
Mary never had any other children besides Jesus. When Scripture speaks of 'brothers of Jesus' they do not mean that Mary bore other children beside Jesus.

Mary remained a virgin because she was made pregnant by the Holy Spirit that had come down upon her. God placed Himself into her sinless body by the means of passing into her, not having intercourse with her...this is the reason she remained a virgin..her hymen was intact, and Joseph never slept with Mary to impregnate her.

The Three Mary's.Luke 1:26-56 Hail Mary Full of Grace.This is our Blessed Mother.2.Mt.27:55-56 Mary Magdalene and Mary,the mother of James,Joseph.Another thing you might want to consider is if Jesus had brothers as "we"think of brothers,Jesus who was without sin,would have been breaking Jewish law by giving the care and responsbility of the Blessed Mother to anyone except Her Oldest child.
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At the Wedding feast of Cana, Mary pointed out to Jesus that the hosts of the wedding feast were running out of wine. It wasn't a matter of life or death, but certainly one of losing face, and embaressment for the family. Jesus at first protested at the notion of helping in this. He reminded His mother that it was not yet time for Him to begin His public mission.'My time has not yet come." Mary, woman of faith, simply told the servant to do whatever Jesus told them to...and she worked the miracle of changing water into wine anyway, ahead of planned time for public miracles. ( John 1:1-12)

And remember that, one of the last things Jesus did as He hung in agony on the cross, was to provide a career and a home for His mother. When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" "And from that moment the disciple made a place for her in his home" ( John 19:26-27)
It was common in those days to call cousins brothers and sisters. Also, the scripture does not imply that 'Jesus rejects Mary' - rather it implys that if we follow Jesus and His teachings, we become his 'family' so to speak.

Jesus never rejected a request from Mary. Mary is Jesus mother. No son rejects his mother.
Mary never had any other children besides Jesus. When Scripture speaks of 'brothers of Jesus' they do not mean that Mary bore other children beside Jesus.

Mary remained a virgin because she was made pregnant by the Holy Spirit that had come down upon her. God placed Himself into her sinless body by the means of passing into her, not having intercourse with her...this is the reason she remained a virgin..her hymen was intact, and Joseph never slept with Mary to impregnate her.

The Three Mary's.Luke 1:26-56 Hail Mary Full of Grace.This is our Blessed Mother.2.Mt.27:55-56 Mary Magdalene and Mary,the mother of James,Joseph.Another thing you might want to consider is if Jesus had brothers as "we"think of brothers,Jesus who was without sin,would have been breaking Jewish law by giving the care and responsbility of the Blessed Mother to anyone except Her Oldest child.
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Thank you for sharing this, Nurse Clampit!

In the future, could you include a link to the original source?

Many unSaved Cathoholics who visit our forum will accuse us -- yes, US -- of being dishonest. By providing the original link, they can go look it up themselves to prove we didn't make up something damning them for worshipping the very dead Mary.
Sure! Here's the link.

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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 06:59 AM

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Kid, you are one of the most brainwashed cultists I have ever seen. Did you read about why priests are REQUIRED to be homosexurals? Do you thing a hall full of old, dress-wearing faggots can elect someone to hear God speak? WAKE UP! WAKE UP! Your religion is imaginary.
Mister, I'm not brainwashed, I chose to believe in God or not. It was my own choice of free will.
And I'm not interested in any anti-christian booklets ( atheists say bad things about all Christian denominations they know anyway, because they want to lead the globe to an atheist Era), maybe I'm just interested in those booklets because I want to know what runs around the world I live in but nothing more. And I don't believe in everything I'm told, I'm skeptic. And as far as I know, the sexual behaviour is the persons choice, and priesets are not requiered to be homosexuals. Besides any Christian that goes to Heaven will do what it is said in the Bible, people are not kattle so they don't let themselves lead by one's faliour. Moreover, good Christians pray to God for their salvation and of those who tresspass against God. Homosexuality is a big sin, pointed in the Bible and any priest that wants to go to Heaven will not tresspass against God. The thing that you say bad things about Catholics does anything to me, I know better what is to be Catholic because it's my life.
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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 07:08 AM

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Mister, I'm not brainwashed, I chose to believe in God or not. It was my own choice of free will.
And I'm not interested in any anti-christian booklets ( atheists say bad things about all Christian denominations they know anyway, because they want to lead the globe to an atheist Era), maybe I'm just interested in those booklets because I want to know what runs around the world I live in but nothing more. And I don't believe in everything I'm told, I'm skeptic. And as far as I know, the sexual behaviour is the persons choice, and priesets are not requiered to be homosexuals. Besides any Christian that goes to Heaven will do what it is said in the Bible, people are not kattle so they don't let themselves lead by one's faliour. Moreover, good Christians pray to God for their salvation and of those who tresspass against God. Homosexuality is a big sin, pointed in the Bible and any priest that wants to go to Heaven will not tresspass against God. The thing that you say bad things about Catholics does anything to me, I know better what is to be Catholic because it's my life.
Do you call your priest "Mister" you impolite little Catholic tart? Even WE have respect for men of the cloth...even though we know the are all faggots and will burn in hell.

Do you believe that kool-aid and wafer turn to Christ's flesh and blood in your mouth? How much flesh and blood do you think JESUS can have chopped off of him every Sunday? Why do you want to eat JESUS anyway? Jesus didn't say "EAT ME". Damn cannibals, the lot of you. I suppose being uneducated explains a lot of it.


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Do you call your priest "Mister" you impolite little Catholic tart? Even WE have respect for men of the cloth...even though we know the are all faggots and will burn in hell.

Do you believe that kool-aid and wafer turn to Christ's flesh and blood in your mouth? How much flesh and blood do you think JESUS can have chopped off of him every Sunday? Why do you want to eat JESUS anyway? Jesus didn't say "EAT ME". Damn cannibals, the lot of you. I suppose being uneducated explains a lot of it.
I don't see where is the respect when you call me Papsists and when you subtiteled two Catholic priests that were on this forum.

And we don't eat Jesus.
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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 07:21 AM

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I don't see where is the respect when you call me Papsists and when you subtiteled two Catholic priests that were on this forum.

And we don't eat Jesus.
You don't have to see respect. You are a child. You GIVE respect.

You don't eat JESUS? Really? Can you read your own Catholic Encyclopedia or are the words a bit too complicated?

The quintessence of these doctrinal decisions consists in this, that in the Eucharist the Body and Blood of the God-man are truly, really, and substantially present for the nourishment of our souls, by reason of the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ, and that in this change of substances the unbloody Sacrifice of the New Testament is also contained.
These three principle truths -- Sacrifice, Sacrament, and Real Presence -- are given a more detailed consideration in the following articles:


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You don't have to see respect. You are a child. You GIVE respect.

You don't eat JESUS? Really? Can you read your own Catholic Encyclopedia or are the words a bit too complicated?

The quintessence of these doctrinal decisions consists in this, that in the Eucharist the Body and Blood of the God-man are truly, really, and substantially present for the nourishment of our souls, by reason of the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ, and that in this change of substances the unbloody Sacrifice of the New Testament is also contained.
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Even children deserve to be respected.

And when you say in prayer that you shower with Jesuses blood you really do???
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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 07:54 AM

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Even children deserve to be respected.

And when you say in prayer that you shower with Jesuses blood you really do???
No, I don't. It would be stupid. But YOUR religion REQUIRES that you believe you are actually eating JESUS. Which is even more stupid and gross. Ask a priest about the Eucharist. What do YOU think you are eating at mass?


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No, I don't. It would be stupid. But YOUR religion REQUIRES that you believe you are actually eating JESUS. Which is even more stupid and gross. Ask a priest about the Eucharist. What do YOU think you are eating at mass?
"When do we eat?" I think that that was a deeply telling observation about the human psyche, and I think that that may account for the structure of the most important sacrament -- grace comes to us through the passion -- hunger -- that is most important to us.

The Eucharist is wonderfully accounted-for in Scripture, and not just in the New Testament.

In the New Testament, it is accounted for beginning on the first day of Christ's life outside of Mary's womb...Christ arrives wrapped in swaddling clothes, looking the way He would on the day of His death wrapped in a shroud, and He is lying in a manger, a feeding trough -- a picture of the sacrificed body of Christ being offered as food on a kind of dinner plate! And note well where this occurred, in "Bethlehem," Hebrew meaning "House of Bread"!

In the Old Testament, when Jacob steals Isaac's final blessing from Esau by coming to blind Isaac with sacrificed kid skins on his hands and neck, if you read the text carefully you will see that Jacob is bringing to Isaac gifts of bread and wine, in addition to "sacrificed kid stew." By wearing the skins, Jacob makes Himself "Mr. Sacrificed Child." That "sacrificed Child stew" is therefore a picture of Christ offering to His Father His Own sacrificed flesh, to secure a blessing from Him. The sacrificed kid stew is accompanied by bread and wine to tell us, "A = B. The bread and wine are equal to the sacrificed flesh offered by Christ to His Father." When we take that sacrificed flesh into our own physical selves, by eating it, we make ourselves pleasing to the Father.

There are many, many other Bible verses substantiating the Eucharist. Finding them is easy. Just get a concordance and look up "bread" and "wine."
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Default Re: Good Article on the Queen of Heaven - 03-14-2009, 12:03 PM

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There are many, many other Bible verses substantiating the Eucharist. Finding them is easy. Just get a concordance and look up "bread" and "wine."
This explains a lot.

Why are you looking outside God's Word for clarity in understanding God's Word?

If you need guidance talk to a True Christian Pastor.

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"When do we eat?" I think that that was a deeply telling observation about the human psyche,[papist doctrinal garbage deleted for the sake of Our Lord and our sanity.] There are many, many other Bible verses substantiating the Eucharist. Finding them is easy. Just get a concordance and look up "bread" and "wine."
Look Krusty, just tell us, Yes or No - do you honestly believe that the wafer turns to Christ's meat, real God's muscle and skin, and the wine turns to His real blood, red and white corpuscles suspended in plasma?

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In fact "Papists" call Mary, Mary, other names are only used to for prayse and prayer just like everybody calls God "Holy Lord" for example. And Mary is not dead at all, The Bible proves it,as it not specified her death anywhere.
Um, the Bible doesn't mention Paul dying, either. Is he still alive?

How about the blind fellow that Jesus healed? Is he still alive? The Bible doesn't say he died.

How about Mary Magdalene? Still wandering around somewhere?


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Yes, and where is Mary now, if alive? In Rome - at the vatican?
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