[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

Mere mortals WROTE the Bible, and mere mortals EDITED and TRANSLATED the Bible. A holy book that supposedly contains the rules to life and only true word of God shouldn't be edited at all. It should be kept as it is, without people writing their own stuff in, and taking stuff they don't like out.

God wrote the Bible, but you're right, many false Bibles have been printed by men over the years and we are as much against them as you are.

We use the original KJV 1611 Bible which is NOT edited by man. It is the pure word of God.

[Brian Ashmore]

Originally Posted by Nobar King

God wrote the Bible, but you're right, many false Bibles have been printed by men over the years and we are as much against them as you are.

We use the original KJV 1611 Bible which is NOT edited by man. It is the pure word of God.

And how would you know that? Every other version of the Bible claims is the true one, and yours does too. You have no definite proof it is true, besides your belief it is. Just like every other religion only has their belief in their holy book.

[Brian Ashmore]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Well, aren't you Mr. Negativity. Who put the bees under your bonnet.

It is obvous that my short but sweet, direct to the point comments are too much for your gentile ears.

I was unaware you were the internet police.

First off, learn to spell. Second off, your ''short, but sweet and direct to the point comments'' are pure nonsense. Your sentences contradict themselves and you have yet to make a point or argument in this discussion. If you don't have anything to contribute to it, keep out and watch. You may learn something.

I won't answer to your posts because they simply don't deserve an answer.

[Brian Ashmore]

Originally Posted by Wide-Open

Friend, I don't blame you. You are searching, and you see the ugliness around you. May you come to the right conclusion.

I don't think you are a bad person Brian, just a little bit confused. Let's face it: what evidence do you have for this "universal" God? None, right?

Heck, you might as well become an atheist!

I'm not searching, and I am not the least bit confused. I researched most Religions there are today, and read their Holy books, and I came to the right conclusion that my heart and mind tell me it is.

I have as much evidence for the existence of my higher power as you have for the existence of your God. Only difference is, I didn't write a book and claimed it's the word of that higher power.

There is nothing wrong with atheism. Everyone, just like you, has the freedom to believe in what they think is right. You believe the Bible and Jesus are the truth. The people in India believe the same thing about Lord Krishnu and Lord Shiva. The people in the middle east believe the same thing about Allah.

Calling me an Atheist would be just like calling everyone else that follows a different religion than your own an Atheist. I respect other peoples beliefs, and will not call it false, because there is no evidence for any of it.

My personal quote: We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know.

And I want to rest my case, because on here, we can't have a decent conversation. I think its a good one, and so far I'm enjoying it, put there are all the others who comment, and I can't reply to all of them. Am not omnipotent

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

First off all, learn to spell. Secondly off, your ''short, but sweet and direct to the point comments'' are pure nonsense. Your sentences contradict themselves and you have yet to make a point or argument in this discussion. If you don't have anything to contribute to it, keep out and watch. You may learn something.
I won't answer to your posts because they simply don't deserve an answer.

You use a lot of words to convey a message that has nothing constructive or intelligent in it, Brian.

You don't have to be hateful, you know. We have nothing to prove to you. If you refuse God, then you will pay the price, Brian.

We can merely say "but Brian, please come to Heaven with us". We don't say that we WANT you to go to Hell, Brian. We are really praying and hoping that you will reconsider and let go of your sinful lifestyle and open yourself up to God, Brian. Then your life on earth will be great and your life when you die.

Doesn't that sound like a grand idea, Brian?

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

There is nothing wrong with atheism. Everyone, just like you, has the freedom to believe in what they think is right. You believe the Bible and Jesus are the truth. The people in India believe the same thing about Lord Krishnu and Lord Shiva. The people in the middle east believe the same thing about Allah.

So you admit that your atheism is a religion too?

[Brian Ashmore]

Originally Posted by GOD=life

You use a lot of words to convey a message that has nothing constructive or intelligent in it, Brian.

You don't have to be hateful, you know. We have nothing to prove to you. If you refuse God, then you will pay the price, Brian.

We can merely say "but Brian, please come to Heaven with us". We don't say that we WANT you to go to Hell, Brian. We are really praying and hoping that you will reconsider and let go of your sinful lifestyle and open yourself up to God, Brian. Then your life on earth will be great and your life when you die.

Doesn't that sound like a grand idea, Brian?

I'm perfectly happy with my life. It's been amazing so far, and there are always new things to see and learn. I have no complaints about my life, nor did I have anything bad happen to me. I have a loving family, friends I can trust with my life, and other things that are too personal to discuss on an open forum. My point is, my life has been great, and I'm looking forward to live it to its fullest like I did until now

[Brian Ashmore]

Originally Posted by GOD=life

So you admit that your atheism is a religion too?

It's not ''my'' Atheism. I'm not an Atheist, I'm an agnostic. And I said earlier I believe in a higher power, just a different one from yours.

Atheism isn't a religion. It's simply a belief in a likely, but not necessarily true fact.

Just most people believe in the big bang. Would you call the belief in the Big Bang a religion? ''Big-banginism''?

And mind you, there is increasing evidence speaking in favor of the big bang

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

First off, learn to spell.

Learn to spell? To which word were you referring? Gentile? Sorry if your vocabulary is lacking but perhaps this will help (From Websters)
Main Entry: 1gen·tile
Pronunciation: \ˈjen-ˌtī(-ə)l\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin gentilis, from Latin gent-, gens nation
Date: 14th century
1 often capitalized : a person of a non-Jewish nation or of non-Jewish faith; especially : a Christian as distinguished from a Jew
2 : heathen, pagan
3 often capitalized : a non-Mormon

I will not correct your spelling or grammar, that would be petty. Gee, that was fun.

Second off, your ''short, but sweet and direct to the point comments'' are pure nonsense. Your sentences contradict themselves and you have yet to make a point or argument in this discussion. If you don't have anything to contribute to it, keep out and watch. You may learn something.

Brian, you are awfully full of yourself, so full of condencending comments (that are baseless), judgments that are from a person who has demonstrated he has no right to judge.
Please, point out the contradictions. I am sure everyone on the Internet would love to hear them. You are merely upset because the answers are simple enough that most five years 'get it' yet it feels like a stretch for you. But we are helping you understand. We are not abandoning you or making rude digs. Incredibly, you have managed to belittle yourself and be thought a fool. Such a shame as you were doing fairly well before and I actually had some respect for you. But like a leaf on a tree in the fall, it soon was gone.

I won't answer to your posts because they simply don't deserve an answer.

So.... I wonder who/what I just quoted.

YIC
JH

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

I'm perfectly happy with my life.

But what brings you here to our humble Christian forum then? We too are happy with our lives. Not only that, we have something to look forward to when we die. Also keep in mind that the Bible states clearly that no matter how great, honest or decent of a life you may lead, you will go Hell because you haven't accepted God.

So in a sense you are making our lives a little less happy than it could be, because we think "Brain seems to be a great guy, why won't he come to Heaven with us?"

[Brian Ashmore]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

I will not correct your spelling or grammar, that would be petty. Gee, that was fun.

Yeah, copy-pasting stuff is really a lot of fun.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Brian, you are awfully full of yourself, so full of condencending comments

Am not. I'm just stating my views and opinions and pointing out the flaws in your own. Its called a debate or argument.

As for your contradictions, let me state some from your previous posts

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Brian, we are not doing that. The Bible instructs us to. We simply follow what it say.

First you say you aren't condemning them. Then you say you do because the Bible instructs you to and you follow it. So you said you don't, then you say you do, and all in almost the same sentence.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Once the child become old enough to understand, it has the opportunity to repent the sins it carries. But until that point in time, the child damned.

According to that, what about when a child dies before it gets to that point in life. It goes to hell without a chance for redemption? That seems just a tad bit unfair to me.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

"Do not shot the messinger."

Christians have no right to use that phrase. Christians who burned, stoned, killed, and tortured people simply because they didn't believe in the same thing they do, and just because they openly said so.

[Brian Ashmore]

Originally Posted by GOD=life

But what brings you here to our humble Christian forum then? We too are happy with our lives. Not only that, we have something to look forward to when we die. Also keep in mind that the Bible states clearly that no matter how great, honest or decent of a life you may lead, you will go Hell because you haven't accepted God.

So in a sense you are making our lives a little less happy than it could be, because we think "Brain seems to be a great guy, why won't he come to Heaven with us?"

I came to this forum because I saw this amputation thread posted on another website, and it was plain disturbing.

You think I'm a great guy, huh? Well your Bible tells you that I'm a filthy heathen and damned trash that ''doesn't deserve to get into Heaven''. So it seems to ME like you do disagree with it afterall, no?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

[...]Christians have no right to use that phrase. Christians who burned, stoned, killed, and tortured people simply because they didn't believe in the same thing they do, and just because they openly said so.

And how many of those were Baptist True Christians™?

False Christians are the Devil's puppets.

[Brian Ashmore]

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

And how many of those were Baptist True Christians™?

False Christians are the Devil's puppets.

Back in those days, Baptist True Christians didn't exist. You stem from those original Christians. SO basically, you're saying you're the descendants of Devil's puppets.

[GOD=life]

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

I came to this forum because I saw this amputation thread posted on another website, and it was plain disturbing.

The Bible tells us that in some cases, we have to amputate.

If you are disturbed by what God instructs us to do, isn't it something to take up with God?

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

You think I'm a great guy, huh?

My Bible (KJV 1611) tells me that good works are not good enough to get into Heaven. It is not beyond my imagination that you are a good person and do good things. At the same time, the Bible leaves little room for doubt where you're headed.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

Yeah, copy-pasting stuff is really a lot of fun.

Now Brian, you are the one who claimed I made spelling error(s). I could not find any and thought perhaps you were unfamiliar with the word "Gentile" and I kindly proffered the excerpt from Websters (which I gave credit to). I know you are upset being made a fool of though you are the one who did it to yourself. You have no one to blame but the guy in the mirror. Sorry.

Am not. I'm just stating my views and opinions and pointing out the flaws in your own. Its called a debate or argument.

Are too. LOL, sorry, it just sounded my like my twin three year old nephews arguing. But I do disagree with you, perhaps it is a personality flaw of yours, feeling pompous. No matter, that is really between God and you.

As for your contradictions, let me state some from your previous posts

Terrific!

First you say you aren't condemning them. Then you say you do because the Bible instructs you to and you follow it. So you said you don't, then you say you do, and all in almost the same sentence.

I think this goes back to your narrow minded view of things.
I, as a person do not condemn. I follow laws, even ones I do not always agree with. Those laws require me to condemn. I do not have a say in the matter.
Honestly, it is a very simple concept, Brian.

According to that, what about when a child dies before it gets to that point in life. It goes to hell without a chance for redemption? That seems just a tad bit unfair to me.

As I said above, I amy not agree with the laws, but I follow them. Life is unfair sometimes.

Christians have no right to use that phrase. Christians who burned, stoned, killed, and tortured people simply because they didn't believe in the same thing they do, and just because they openly said so.

Again, we are following the laws of Bible. Just like with secular laws, you have to follow them even if you disagree with them. If you want the laws changed, you have to speak to the lawmakers. In the case of the Bible, that is God. But you do not believe in Him and therefore have a problem that no one but you can do anything about.

Brian, I suggest reading more and work on your comprehension. I suggest not making false accusations and lies. You will be caught and you be thought the lesser man.


YIC
JH

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

I came to this forum because I saw this amputation thread posted on another website, and it was plain disturbing.

You think I'm a great guy, huh? Well your Bible tells you that I'm a filthy heathen and damned trash that ''doesn't deserve to get into Heaven''. So it seems to ME like you do disagree with it afterall, no?

Brian, there in lay a point you fail to grasp.

We follow the Bible, every single word exactly as it is written. We may not agree with all of it. But you cannot pick and choose. Either you are a Christian or you are not.

In secular life, you may never exceed the speed limit but you may not always use your turn signals. Following one law does not excuse you from following another. In this example, you have broken the law and deserve the punishment. Living by the Bible is the same.

YIC
JH

[A Follower]

Originally Posted by Brian Ashmore

Am not. I'm just stating my views and opinions and pointing out the flaws in your own. Its called a debate or argument.

Why are you debating about your lack of spelling ability in a thread about amputation?

If you as an atheist have something to add to the topic at hand, please do. Do you atheists have different methods of amputating? Perhaps you have special tips for removing toes so one doesn't cause collateral damage to other toes? Or perhaps a way to allow a chainsaw to be operated singlehandedly?

[Brian Ashmore]

James, now take a careful look at all your posts up to this point, and tell me how many times you insulted me, and how many times you called me inferior to you, and then count the times I did that.

Now tell me who has a superiority complex out the two of us?

And you call ME narrow minded? I'm by far more open minded than you are, because I accept the fact that my beliefs may not be true, I am open to the possibility that the Bible isn't as true as it claims it is, and I am open to all the other religions, and won't discard them as rubbish as you do. You, on the other hand, blindly believe in every single word that's written in the Bible without stopping to think just who may have put them there, and you who are so convinced that your Religion is the only true one, and all the others are not. And then you call ME arrogant, ignorant, and narrow-minded, and tell me I have a superiority complex.

[Brian Ashmore]

Originally Posted by A Follower

Why are you debating about your lack of spelling ability in a thread about amputation?

If you as an atheist have something to add to the topic at hand, please do. Do you atheists have different methods of amputating? Perhaps you have special tips for removing toes so one doesn't cause collateral damage to other toes? Or perhaps a way to allow a chainsaw to be operated singlehandedly?

I'm not debating about spelling. You can see what I'm debating about if you read the whole thread.