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Study: Why Do Christian Kids Abandon Jesus? -
06-17-2009, 07:13 PM
Ken Ham (founder of the Creation Museum) commissioned a study to find out why 2/3 of kids leave Evangelical churches when they reach their mid-20s. He’s also co-written a book to explain just what we can do about it. The study results will astound you!
Ham commissioned Britt Beemer, founder of the American Research Group and a former researcher for the Heritage Foundation, to find out why 2/3rds of Evangelical kids turn their backs on Christ when they reach their mid 20s. The number who leave has been well established; the reason was always thought to be exposure to the secularist agenda when in college. Not so!
Beemer contacted 1,000 20-29 year old young adults who used to attend Evangelical churches regularly, but no longer did so. He found, shockingly, that those who most regularly attended Sunday School were the most likely to question the truthfulness of Scripture, to defend same-sex marriage and abortion, and to flat-out leave the church than those who didn’t.
“But . . . I thought sending my kids to Sunday School helped them learn all about Jesus, and what the Bible really says! Why would they question Scripture if they know what it says?”
Ham has proposed a reason why kids aren’t buying Christianity, and it has to do with the church bending to secularism’s will.
Many churches today, even some Evangelical churches, teach that the age of the Earth is not an issue as long as you trust in Jesus and believe in the resurrection and the Gospel accounts. Free to consider that certain parts of the Bible — the Creation story in particular — are not true, these youths then start to question the entire Good Book’s veracity and accuracy.
As Ham says, [Teens believe that] what they are taught in school is reality, but the church teaches stories and morality and relationship. Bible teaching is not real in the sense of real history.
Many churches say that belief in 6-Day Creationism is not a Salvation issue. However, faith in the Scriptures is. The Bible is the entire foundation of Christianity; it is the only objective way we can know God and His Will while in this life. Our “feelings”, and our “conscience”, are human and subject to human confusion and demonic manipulation. We cannot rely upon “believing it’s right” if it disagrees with Scripture!
What we are doing when we assert our own beliefs over God’s Word is, in effect, prophesying. What does the Bible say about prophets?
Isaiah 8:20. To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.
If a prophet speaks contrary to God’s Word, the Scripture, it is false prophecy; the prophet is imagining, or making up, or being manipulated to believe false things and mislead the faithful.
Yet many churches, including Evangelical churches, say that parts of God’s Word might not be correct, and can be ignored. Then they wonder why followers question the rest of it?
Ham suggests instead that Christians should not reject 6-Day Creationism. Instead, they should arm themselves and their children with Creationist Facts, by visiting Ham’s website and coming to the Creation Museum.
Certain atheists are cackling about this, claiming Ham only did the study to drive visitors to his website and museum. They just can’t grasp that the whole point of Ham’s museum and website are to protect Christianity from secularism!
Certain Catholics — who, as we know, cast aside Scripture for the traditions of men — are also offended, saying, This is not good theology or Biblical study. The initial study is probably fine (although I am not a stat guy, so I wouldn’t know any way), but the conclusions are off-the-wall bad. The problem is not in evolution vs. the Bible. The problem is in how we parent our kids and don’t give them a solid basis in truly understanding who they are, who God is, what their purpose is, and the freedom to ask questions and then help them seek the answers.
Should it come as a surprise that Catholics, who worship Mary and believe that their priests have the magical power to command Jesus to enter crackers and turn them into flesh (what is that supposed to be, anyway? Jesus Jerky?), are offended at the idea of adhering to what God wants us to read in His Word?
Ken Ham has shown us the way. In order to keep children from turning from God as some sort of fairy tale like Santa Claus when they reach adulthood, we cannot allow question any part of the Bible. We must — must – follow it to the letter.
Won’t you join me today in committing to reading the Bible daily, without trying to interpret it or put it in “historical context”, but rather accepting that our all-knowing and all-powerful God gave us this book to read so we could understand who He is and what He wants from us?
Will you join me in recognizing that the Creation story is completely true? That God’s nature is not the “hippie love god” who hates wars, but rather is the vengeful father who commanded Moses to commit genocide against the Midianites, a tribe of Jews who left Judaism to follow another religion (Numbers 31)? Will you accept that God made Balaam’s ass to speak to him (Numbers 22:21-30)?
Will you commit to making sure your children know that they must believe ALL of the Bible, because it ALL must be true or there is no way to tell what is or what isn’t? Or will you turn your back on God and spend eternity burning in Hell because you wanted to listen to the “scienticians” instead of Scripture?
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Re: Study: Why Do Christian Kids Abandon Jesus? -
06-17-2009, 08:22 PM
Amen Sister Jenny, thanks for bringing this up. It is absolutely outrageous that kids today think it's okay to not believe every single word of the Holy Bible KJV1611. It makes me wonder what kind of parents raise such rebellious sinners.
When I was a boy, I would've had the devil beaten out of me by my father if I even so much as raised an eyebrow to even the most amazing-but-true stories contained in the Good Book.
It's all this liberal-democrat-hippy-homosexual-feel-good nonsense that's leading this country to the pits of atheism. Kids are too soft these days.
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06-22-2009, 06:38 PM
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Amen Sister Jenny, thanks for bringing this up. It is absolutely outrageous that kids today think it's okay to not believe every single word of the Holy Bible KJV1611. It makes me wonder what kind of parents raise such rebellious sinners.
When I was a boy, I would've had the devil beaten out of me by my father if I even so much as raised an eyebrow to even the most amazing-but-true stories contained in the Good Book.
It's all this liberal-democrat-hippy-homosexual-feel-good nonsense that's leading this country to the pits of atheism. Kids are too soft these days.
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Exactly. We need to come together and STOP the media. We should ban television and internet access. I've said it before, all our children should be home schooled as to avoid the influence of the evil-seeded found in public schools.
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Re: Study: Why Do Christian Kids Abandon Jesus? -
06-22-2009, 11:27 PM
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Exactly. We need to come together and STOP the media. We should ban television and internet access. I've said it before, all our children should be home schooled as to avoid the influence of the evil-seeded found in public schools.
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This coming from the Satan-worshipper?
Bible boring? Nonsense!
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06-23-2009, 04:18 AM
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This coming from the Satan-worshipper?
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06-30-2009, 08:10 PM
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Lol the username was supposed to be sarcasm. They changed it though
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Well, that IS good news! Are you willing to help children stick with Jesus through their entire lives?
It seems that the best way to do this is to prevent them reading the Bible, and instead teach them Bible stories from the pulpit. Reading the Bible simply confuses children; why, just look what happened to the Catholics once people of average understanding got hold of the Bible and read it for themselves!
Pastors, maybe it would be best to produce a Children's Bible which tells all the stories in a way which won't confuse young minds, and lock away the grownup Bibles until they begin study at Landover Baptist University?
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Re: Study: Why Do Christian Kids Abandon Jesus? -
06-30-2009, 09:23 PM
Outsiders deride Landover for its Gated Community, God-Fearing ways and the subjection of its new generations to a childhood and education based solely upon KJV1611 – yet this has resulted in True Christian lives, completely separated from a world of sin.
Yes, some of them remain separated from life on the outside and may be regarded by sinners as strange people. However, (i) it is foretold that True Christians™ will be persecuted and (ii) at the 2nd Coming, it will be the generations of Landover who will ascend to Heaven amdist the carnage and destruction that Jesus will bring. A small price to pay.
Ken Ham seems to be struggling and fighting a losing battle. He couldn’t sell water to Arabs. The man exudes insincerity and superstition, whereas, here at Landover, the Pastors are men of deep learning and understanding, able to impart a message that will last a lifetime and never be questioned.
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Re: Study: Why Do Christian Kids Abandon Jesus? -
07-27-2009, 03:43 PM
Because jesus is a poppy head.
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Re: Study: Why Do Christian Kids Abandon Jesus? -
07-27-2009, 03:55 PM
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Well, that IS good news! Are you willing to help children stick with Jesus through their entire lives?
It seems that the best way to do this is to prevent them reading the Bible, and instead teach them Bible stories from the pulpit. Reading the Bible simply confuses children; why, just look what happened to the Catholics once people of average understanding got hold of the Bible and read it for themselves!
Pastors, maybe it would be best to produce a Children's Bible which tells all the stories in a way which won't confuse young minds, and lock away the grownup Bibles until they begin study at Landover Baptist University?
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er Sister Jenny, the bastardized Bible is what the Catholics do. We need to teach our Christian ALL of the The Bible the second they can read. The reason why 2/3 go off to become hippy hell bound trash is because they don't fear The Lord enough. A good Christian parent makes sure their childern live in constant, relentless fear.
Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.
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07-27-2009, 03:57 PM
I dont fear the lord D;
I wanna be a hippy hell bound trash. C:
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07-27-2009, 04:17 PM
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I dont fear the lord D;
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07-28-2009, 11:26 PM
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er Sister Jenny, the bastardized Bible is what the Catholics do. We need to teach our Christian ALL of the The Bible the second they can read. The reason why 2/3 go off to become hippy hell bound trash is because they don't fear The Lord enough. A good Christian parent makes sure their childern live in constant, relentless fear.
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What sort of a lord is it if it's a lord you have to fear to have faith in? In my opinion that's why so many people convert to atheism, simply because the God they were taught to believe in is not the kind of God they want to know, and as they don't want to know they choose not to believe. We need to promote the fun and Good will of God to ensure people enjoy it, after all that is what Jesus teaches.
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07-28-2009, 11:35 PM
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What sort of a lord is it if it's a lord you have to fear to have faith in? In my opinion that's why so many people convert to atheism, simply because the God they were taught to believe in is not the kind of God they want to know, and as they don't want to know they choose not to believe. We need to promote the fun and Good will of God to ensure people enjoy it, after all that is what Jesus teaches.
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What sort of drivel is this? Son, attempting to make gospel as you go will only end badly. What you write is 'gospelitygoop'.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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07-28-2009, 11:46 PM
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What sort of a lord is it if it's a lord you have to fear to have faith in? In my opinion that's why so many people convert to atheism, simply because the God they were taught to believe in is not the kind of God they want to know, and as they don't want to know they choose not to believe. We need to promote the fun and Good will of God to ensure people enjoy it, after all that is what Jesus teaches.
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Deuteronomy 6:13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.
God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.
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07-28-2009, 11:54 PM
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What sort of a lord is it if it's a lord you have to fear to have faith in? In my opinion that's why so many people convert to atheism, simply because the God they were taught to believe in is not the kind of God they want to know, and as they don't want to know they choose not to believe. We need to promote the fun and Good will of God to ensure people enjoy it, after all that is what Jesus teaches.
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And what led you to believe that we are at all interested in your unsaved opinions, pal?
Unless you follow every single word of the Holy KJV Bible, you are hellbound for sure.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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07-29-2009, 02:37 AM
I am an atheist and a sinner. And in fact I would rather not believe in a crappy god like yours and go to hell than believe in one. Also, u *retarded 4chan slang mumbo jumbo deleted*
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07-29-2009, 04:23 AM
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I am an atheist and a sinner. And in fact I would rather not believe in a crappy god like yours and go to hell than believe in one. Also, u *retarded 4chan slang mumbo jumbo deleted*
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Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: Study: Why Do Christian Kids Abandon Jesus? -
07-29-2009, 08:07 AM
Why do kids abandon Jesus? Because his public relations team sucks.
Here is Jesus' public relations message
"Follow me or burn in Hell FOREVER!!!111one"
Now, here is the other guy
"I'll give you 1,000,000 dollars if you just sign this contract and ignore the asshole who's going to burn you"
I wonder who's gonna have more followers in the end days...
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07-29-2009, 05:42 PM
An additional possibility might be the disordered (but all too sadly common) teachings on souls and ensoulment.
If kids don't understand how they became ensouled, what it means to have an immortal soul, and what becomes of their soul if they lead a reprobate life, can we be surprised when they turn out to be vile little sinning sinners ???
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are un Godly among them of all their un Godly deeds which they have un Godly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which un Godly sinners have spoken against him.
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