[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

Can you give proof that the Bible is real without using the Bible?

For people who really believe the Bible, that's a silly question.

[Dotty too]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

For people who really believe the Bible, that's a silly question.

Well then that can be applied to any sacred text from any religion. If you believe it then it's true.

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

Well then that can be applied to any sacred text from any religion. If you believe it then it's true.

That is just an opinion. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. The fact is that the Holy Bible is the only true and inerrant word of Almighty God and that has been known for centuries. Just because some heathen proposes an alternate "truth" does not make it true.

[Dotty too]

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

That is just an opinion. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. The fact is that the Holy Bible is the only true and inerrant word of Almighty God and that has been known for centuries. Just because some heathen proposes an alternate "truth" does not make it true.

But why is the Bible true? Just because it says so in it? Other sacred texts say they are true. What makes the Bible different?

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

Can you give proof that the Bible is real without using the Bible?

Hello, by "using" I suppose you mean putting it on a shelf like an ornament or for propping up a table with wobbly legs. Sort of like using a helicopter for a garden shed. And sure, that's one way to get a bit extra from a time expired unit.

But helicopters have other uses than for ornamentation. Check out the airframe, replace the gearbox, add some fuel and it can fly you around showing you sights you'd never imagined! It's a whole new world, but it can only be seen from a helicopter. Until flying saucers come along. Which they haven't yet.

The Bible is not time expired. There are Truths recorded for us, so that we will know, which could not be known in any other way. I don't know whether you think flying saucers exist but if they did or if you had a helicopter and wanted to know what it was like flying inside a volcano there is only one way to find out. Start it up and fly down in.

How can you know a book contains true information without knowing what information it contains? Just by looking at it or using it as a table prop gets you nowhere. Can you see that?

No. I didn't think so. It's the same as having a helicopter but not flying in it. Which part of The Bible are you disputing? Until you open it you wouldn't have a clue what you were talking about.

NAHUM 1 . KJV . look up
2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked : the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
4a He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers:
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6a Who can stand before his indignation?

Now perhaps you'd like to dispute some of that? How can you do so without reading The Bible? First you need to know what information it contains and as you can see here God is the cause of quaking mountains. Since your wish to dispute the claim has to be undertaken without reference to The Bible the claim stands unrefuted and we can be certain that God causes mountains to quake. Perhaps you'd like to fly down in a quaking mountain?

Whooooooops!! Can't do that without using the helicopter for it's intended purpose. Yes, The Bible really is the best book. I read it every day and day by day as I read The Bible its words becomer clear and clearer become. You too can know this certainty, but first you need to use The Bible for its intended purpose. First you have to read it. Now I could show you how we know The Bible is true in other ways too, by showing you passages in it that are true. You don't want me to do that. It's the same as you trying to show me The Bible is false without using The Bible. And so in the spirit of dialogue I will make a simple request. Which part of The Bible do you disagree with? Which part do you think is untrue? And remember to do this for me without using The Bible.

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

But why is the Bible true? Just because it says so in it? Other sacred texts say they are true. What makes the Bible different?

Because it is God who says so.


Isaiah 51:15- But I am the LORD thy God, that divideth the sea, whose waves roared: the LORD of hosts is his name.

[Dotty too]

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

Because it is God who says so.


Isaiah 51:15- But I am the LORD thy God, that divideth the sea, whose waves roared: the LORD of hosts is his name.

Sure but other Gods from other books say that there book is true. What can prove the Bible aside from the Bible itself?

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

Sure but other Gods from other books say that there book is true. What can prove the Bible aside from the Bible itself?

Which other books?

[BrotherLarry]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

Can you give proof that the Bible is real without using the Bible?

LOL!


When you walk into a library and you see a coffee table book with a lovely aardvark on the cover, can you prove to me that book is real without using that book? Of course you can. Well, the same logic applies to the Bible. It is a real book. I can touch it, see it, even taste it if I want (Psalm 34:8) (John 1:1). I can feel its pages and I can see evidence of its promises and prophecies.


And by the way, that's a crummy argument. Any and ALL religions (even though others are fake) require certain elements of faith. I am proud to have my faith in a living GOD who sits on the throne hearing and answering my prayers.

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

Sure but other Gods from other books say that there book is true. What can prove the Bible aside from the Bible itself?

But for Christians, it is their God Who tells them that He is the only True God in the book that He gave to His believers so that they could know the truth.


Who could argue with that?

[Mrs. Elizabeth Johnson]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

Can you give proof that the Bible is real without using the Bible?

Have you ever had the feeling when you know something is right (like tithing, being a obedient wife and daughter, etc) and when you know something's wrong (murdering innocent Christian people, being an uppity female, stealing, etc)? That's the Holy Spirit telling you what to do and the Holy Spirit told me the Bible is true (as if I don't read that in the Bible myself and see it literally spelled out for me) so obviously, the Bible is real and true and the Word of God.

[Dotty too]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

But for Christians, it is their God Who tells them that He is the only True God in the book that He gave to His believers so that they could know the truth.


Who could argue with that?

Pretty easy to​ argue that actually.


For Muslims it is there God that tells them that he is the one true God in their book. What I want to know is what makes the Bible true and say the Qur'an false

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

What I want to know is what makes the Bible true and say the Qur'an false

The Truth™.


I hope that helps.

[Dotty too]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

The Truth™.


I hope that helps.

You mean belief right? Because as far as I can see the Bible isn't any more real than the Qur'an. It's your belief that make the Bible the "truth"

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

For Muslims it is there God that tells them that he is the one true God in their book. What I want to know is what makes the Bible true and say the Qur'an false

Could you provide the citation from the Quran for that claim, please, Dottie? Surah and ayah/ayat, please, and in the original - we have scholars who can read it.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

You mean belief right? Because as far as I can see the Bible isn't any more real than the Qur'an. It's your belief that make the Bible the "truth"

Dear Sinner,

John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

For any True Believer™ that is more than enough. However, you need to have "objective" proof. As evidenced by the verse above, Jesus knew that there'd be people like you (don't you see, He knew beforehand that you'd ask these questions, how cool is that!). Of course, it is available but it is always sad that someone is blinded by the material world and does not simply Trust Jesus.

Please look at the following points that verify the Miraculous Nature of the Bible but fail when it comes to other religious texts.

1. Eyewitness testimony. There are the words of those people who actually lived and witnessed the events during Biblical times. Furthermore, lots of archeological evidence supports the Bible. For instance, there are descriptions of cities that have been confirmed with archeology. See also Genesis 10:11.
2. There is the testimony of us True Christians™. Our lives have been changed and these wonderful, awesome changes are consistent with the Bible ! See also Luke 1:47.
3. Look at the prophecies in the Bible. They have been fulfilled! It cannot be a coincidence. Daniel Chapter 2 predicted the Roman empire and much more. For reference, see Daniel 2:34.
4. There is the unique and consistent nature of manuscripts of the Bible during a time when there was only illiteracy, unreliable greedy scribes and slow methods of communication. See also Psalms 12:6.
5. There is the prerequisite of God for secular logic and science. In science, the satanic concept of Darwinism embraced by atheists, Papists and false Christians gives absolutely no possibility of a mind that could be trusted at all. How could quantum fluctuations in the alleged space-time produce a mind that could reliably examine anything?! If Darwinism were true, we would not be able to trust anything. The same for human, wordly logic. See also Ruth 2:12.

If you hesitate and continue to procrastinate, Jesus may lose His patience and lead you even further into sin. Please, act NOW and choose Him!

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

All non-Biblical "science" is delusion. You're deep in it. Only obedience and disregard of the atheist observations (Ecclesiastes 12:13) of tellyscopes, genetics, and sociology, etc. can Save you.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

You mean belief right? Because as far as I can see the Bible isn't any more real than the Qur'an. It's your belief that make the Bible the "truth"

If that is the case as you assert how come Jesus is real?

Revelation 1: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Mind what it says: "must shortly come to pass".

Lol, Jesus wins again!

YIC

[Jim Farmer]

God is real, therefore the Bible is real.


John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
See? God's Word.


Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the Lord are pure words:
As silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
Thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

God's Word shall be kept forever; God's word is pure.


John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
God's Word is true.


Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

There it is. This book, the Bible is in its entire form and is the Word of God, and must not be tampered with.


Nowhere does it say that the Koran is true. Nowhere does it say that the Origin of Species is true. Nowhere does it say that Einstein's words are true. Why? Because they're not.

[Dotty too]

Originally Posted by Jim Farmer

God is real, therefore the Bible is real.


John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
See? God's Word.


Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the Lord are pure words:
As silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
Thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

God's Word shall be kept forever; God's word is pure.


John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
God's Word is true.


Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

There it is. This book, the Bible is in its entire form and is the Word of God, and must not be tampered with.


Nowhere does it say that the Koran is true. Nowhere does it say that the Origin of Species is true. Nowhere does it say that Einstein's words are true. Why? Because they're not.

It's​ all well and good that you can use the Bible to prove the Bible but is there any proof that isn't a Bible passage or something else from the Bible that proves the Bible is real?

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Dotty too

It's​ all well and good that you can use the Bible to prove the Bible but is there any proof that isn't a Bible passage or something else from the Bible that proves the Bible is real?

I have a Bible in every room in my house. I can pick them up, I can pile them up, I can read them, I can spread them around the room, I can give them to my friends, I can admire them on my coffee table. They are very real. On the other hand, there is no proof you exist. I have only seen evidence of you on a computer screen and when I turn it off, you disappear. How do I know you are real? I think you should stop this childish demanding that we prove something we see every day is real and prove you are real.