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Default How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 01-28-2010, 03:43 PM

I am just curious as to how the Kiwi made it on to the Arc. Thanks for your help everyone, I am on a mission to become a true christian.


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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 01-28-2010, 03:56 PM

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I am just curious as to how the Kiwi made it on to the Arc. Thanks for your help everyone, I am on a mission to become a true christian.
Hello friend, that's a good question, and to be honest, I don't have a ready made answer for that. I'd have to consult with our Creation Scientists™.

Mind you, maybe the little critter knew where God wanted it to fly to, and it just took a leap of faith?

Let's also not forget that the Arc spent quite a bit of time on the water. Maybe it even went as far as the corner of the earth where New Zealand is currently situated?


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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 01-28-2010, 04:33 PM

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I am just curious as to how the Kiwi made it on to the Arc. Thanks for your help everyone, I am on a mission to become a true christian.
You have to go to Answers in Genesis to get the full explanation but essentially there was the prototypical bird on on the ark and a pair of its off spring flew to New Zealand were its decedents became the birds we see. Microevolution happens, not macroevolution.



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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 01-28-2010, 05:04 PM

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Use your Bible. Read the word of God, meditate on it and pray for the answer.

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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 01-28-2010, 07:23 PM

Maybe a kiwi egg just floated upon the waters of the Flood and hatched when the world dried out.

No shortage of possibilities, really. We have kiwis today, so they did survive the flood.


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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 01-28-2010, 08:22 PM

Although he is what we at Landover Baptist University call a "rustic", Brother Griner is right. Because the Kiwi exists today, God obviously wanted it to survive and it obviously got to the Ark somehow.

Atheists will tell you that we Scientheists think we have all the answers and that they came from the Bible. That is only partially true. We do accept everything the Bible says at face value, but we do not always know the "whys and hows" of God's miraculous and perfect plan.

That is what a Scientheist does. He strives to make sense of our world through the lens of the Bible. We accept both what see all around us AND what the Bible says.

Unlike secular scientists who start with a hypothesis and through trial and error come up with a theory, Scientheism has both the luxury and the curse of having both the Word of God and real world facts to deal with. If something we see seems to contradict what is in the Bible, it is our job to figure out why.

Your Kiwi is an excellent example of this. Just because it seems unlikely that a flightless bird from an island could get to a giant boat before the world flooded does not mean that it did not happen. Why, I would not be surprised if there was not a dedicated True Christian™ Ornitheist working on that very problem as we speak!


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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 01-29-2010, 07:56 AM

Asator my friend, the answer is obvious.

If you look at the geography of the globe, you'll see how all the landmasses seem to fit very neatly in with eachother. Like a jigsaw, or continental orgy.

Clearly this was the state of the Earth before the Great Flood, all the landmasses pressed up against each other in a writhing mass of indecency, such was the sinful nature of the world.

It took Noah many years to build his Ark, it seems obvious to me that in this time he sent his Sons out to the four corners of the world, herding miscellaneous creatures for his God-sent mission. The Kiwi would have been collected and brought to the Ark along with the Moa, Tuatara and all the pocket having marsupials of Australia, before the Great Flood devastated the world and left the continents in their current positions.


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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 02-02-2010, 06:54 AM

I know a story abot the kiwi.

The kiwi was once a beautiful bird. All of the birds lived in the trees and did not go down on the land for food. One day God saw what was happening on the forest floor. There was bugs swarming the ground because none of the birds ate them. He asked the birds if any of them would give up their wings so that there was less bugs. after a long time the most beautifulst bird gave up his wings to live on the forest floor. Thus was named the Kiwi.

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The kiwi was once a beautiful bird. All of the birds lived in the trees and did not go down on the land for food. One day God saw what was happening on the forest floor. There was bugs swarming the ground because none of the birds ate them. He asked the birds if any of them would give up their wings so that there was less bugs. after a long time the most beautifulst bird gave up his wings to live on the forest floor. Thus was named the Kiwi.

Well thats what I was told when I was little.
I don't recall hearing that story in the Bible.



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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 02-02-2010, 07:11 AM

its not in the bible its a story I heard. thats all


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It's a nice story, especially since God is in it. But if it isn't in the Bible we can not be sure if it actually happened.


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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 02-02-2010, 01:39 PM

Remember that God originally created all birds, as well as all beasts and creeping things, to be vegetarians, and that He saw this to be very good:

Genesis 1:30-31: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


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I bet it rode on the back of a Kangaroo or a Koala bear.




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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 02-03-2010, 01:15 AM

There was no New Zealand before the Flood. I'd assume that it was all one land mass, and the flood caused it to be spilt into many.
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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 02-03-2010, 04:44 AM

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It may not be in the bible thats because its a story that I got told when I was a little girl.


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It may not be in the bible thats because its a story that I got told when I was a little girl.
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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 02-03-2010, 05:05 PM

Well, it is certainly true that there was some pretty fast plate tectonics going on during the flood. See here for a thoroughly researched explanation of what we informally call "speedtrain tectonics."

However, this issue do not explain how certain animals got to the place they inhabit now, as the catastrophic movement of lithospheric plates had stopped, which is evidenced by Noah landing on Mt Ararat, which, like other mountains, was formed by speedtrain tectonics.

So, another explanation is necessary to explain this. There are several possibilities:

1. Kiwis flew to New Zealand, and microevolution consequently made them lose their wings.
2. Kiwis went from the Ararat to New Zealand by themselves (and God's guidance, of course).
3. One of Noah's sons herded them to New Zealand
4. Before the ark arrived at Ararat, it travelled around the world to bring species to the place where they belong.

Options #3 and #4 seem to be in conflict with Scientific Fact™, and are therefore discarded by Creation Scientists. Option #1 may be true, but as it doesn't explain other creatures travelling from Mt Ararat to their final destinations, like for example armadillos, who certainly didn't have wings sometime in the past, because that would look silly.

Therefore, the option we are currently researching is option #2: Kiwis swam to New Zealand.
This would also apply to all other mysteries of this nature, and there are a lot that need to be solved. Though we are not directly researching Kiwis now, we are tackling a similar problem: the sloth.
The tree sloth is a creature very well adapted to living in the rain forest. It might seem a mystery how such a creature would have travelled across the Sahara Desert and the Atlantic Ocean, but we think God might have redirected them through Southern Africa, as they have a strict diet of leaves. We suppose they clambered on driftwood produced by the flood (Wood floats on water, and with all trees killed, there certainly was a lot of driftwood floating in the oceans). Together with other South American creatures, they floated Southward from the Eastern Arabian Coast to Eastern Africa, travelled through the Congolese Rainforest (though it was an ideal environment for them to live, they didn't linger; only God knows why). Then they used driftwood again to get to South America, where they remained. Note that other post-flood dispersal routes are suggested by some Creation Scientists, a possible one across Southern Europe and the Caribbean, and one across South East Asia and through the Pacific to Peru.

We assume a similar thing happened to the Kiwi and the marsupials of Australia. In a few months, we will do field research in Tanzania, where I postulate the South American animals disembarked to start their journey through Southern Africa. I am convinced we are going to find some great fossil specimens of armadillos, llamas and tree sloths there.

Is this a satisfactory answer to your question?


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Default Re: How did the kiwi fly from New Zealand to the Arc of Noah? - 02-04-2010, 03:51 AM

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Why does it happen a lot? Do you wear male clothing? If so, you ought to begin wearing skirts and dresses immediately, as cross-dressing is expressly forbidden in the Bible.

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In the summer I mostly have short hair so I don't get migrains and it confuses people sometimes. I do wear skirts, but sometimes when its really cold and I go out, I put some jenes on to keep me warm.


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