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Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-26-2008, 08:38 PM
This post we about the historical Jesus . who was he? Did he or his followers create a new religion? According to historical scholarship [sources: see at the bottom of this post] he practised what corresponds to today’s Orthodox Judaism all his life. His followers were called Netzarim – that is Hebrew [it means offshoot (of a olive tree)] and is a name in the Jewish Bible that is used for Messiah.
During the first century those who practised Judaism were very devoted their religion. Just like King David and all other Jews throughout history they practised Torah (Instruction) – the Instructions of the Creator – with joy! The most prominent university professors in this field Prof. Elisha Qimron , author of the most authoritative treatise on 4Q MMT, demonstrates that all three of the major sects of first century Judaism followed both written and oral Torah.
Louis Feldman (”The Omnipresence of the G*od-Fearers,” Biblical Archaeology Review, 1986.09-10, p. 45, 58ff) observes: “the Jews were apparently extraordinarily successful in winning converts”
Year 7 B.C.E Ribi Yehoshua were born in Bethlehem. His father name was Yoseiph and his mothers name was Miryam. His parents were practising Jews.
According to world-recognized authorities in this area Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee (a Torah-practising Jewish group - who according to 4Q MMT practised both written and oral Torah). As the earliest church historians, most eminent modern university historians, our web site (The only authentic Netzarim - i.e. in Ra'anana in Israel led by Paqid Yirmeyahu ha-Tzadiq) and our Khavruta (Distance Learning) texts confirm, the original teachings of Ribi Yehoshua were not only accepted by most of the Pharisaic Jewish community, he had hoards of Jewish students.
He took care of sick and made it popular among the masses to pray in what corresponds to today’s Orthodox synagogues. The genealogically non-priest, Hellenist “Wicked Priest” Temple-Sadducees felt that their power was threaten by Ribi Yehoshua. They decided to get him crucified by the Romans. The Romans convicted and crucified Ribi Yehoshua year 30 C.E.
Ribi Yehoshua’s followers Netzarim were expelled from Jerusalem 135 C.E: together with all other Jews. The first Christian bishop Markos replaced the fifteenth leader of Netzarim Yehudah, ha-Tzadiq. This Christian bishop didn’t have permission to do this. What the Paul the apostate and later the founder of Christianity did was to take some concepts that Ribi Yehoshua had taught; they Hellenized the concepts and included them in the religion which they practiced – Hellenism – the religion of the Greeks. (Sources: See Ecclesiastical History (EH IV.v.1-4; EH V.xii.1) )
Anyone educated in this field knows that the only sect of Judaism that had rabbis was the Pharisee and even the Christian NT described him as a rabbi. Parkes, Bagatti, Wilson, Charlesworth; all world-recognized authorities in this area leave no doubt that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee, of the school of Hileil - who was also Pharisee. There is no serious dispute about that among scholars in the field. Ribi Yehoshua taught in "synagogues"; which were a strictly Pharisee institution.
Following the teachings of the Judaic Mâshiakh (Messiah) Ribi Yehoshua – that is doing one’s utmost to practice the 613 commandments of Torah - also brings the inner joy, purpose and happiness of working intimately with him to bring about, and participate in, the Messianic era, enjoying a higher level of communion with ha-Sheim - the Creator - as party to Yirmeyâhu's (Jeremiah’s) New Covenant.
If you want to learn about the Historical Ribi Yehoshua, whose followers Orthodox Jews can live with (witness the Netzarim Jews in Raanana, Israel, members in good standing in an Orthodox synagogue), you must start with books like How Jesus Became Christian by Prof. Barrie Wilson (most bookstores) and Who Are The Netzarim? (publ. Schueller House; h ttp://www.schuellerhouse.com/) by Israeli Orthodox Jew, Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben-David.
Finding the historical Jew, who was a Pharisee Ribi and following him brings you into Torah, which gives you a rich and meaningful life here on earth and great rewards in life after death (“heaven”)!
From Anders Branderud
Geir Toshav of Netzarim (w ww.netzarim.co.il) who are follower of Ribi Yehoshua - the Messiah - in Orthodox Judaism
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-26-2008, 09:36 PM
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-26-2008, 09:44 PM
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[tl;dr]From Anders Branderud
Geir Toshav of Netzarim (w ww.netzarim.co.il) who are follower of Ribi Yehoshua - the Messiah - in Orthodox Judaism
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Look kike, (a) if it's about God and it doesn't say it in the Bible, it's wrong (b) are you trying to get off responsibility for temporarily killing Jesus?
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09-27-2008, 02:47 AM
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Look kike, (a) if it's about God and it doesn't say it in the Bible, it's wrong (b) are you trying to get off responsibility for temporarily killing Jesus?
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You do know that Christianity came out of Judaism. The two are pretty closely related....In fact the first 5 books of the bible are Hebrew scriptures.
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-27-2008, 07:49 AM
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You do know that Christianity came out of Judaism. The two are pretty closely related....In fact the first 5 books of the bible are Hebrew scriptures.
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Uhm, DUH! We are all about the bible here CG, you know that! It's just that this Hebe thinks he knows more than we do, and that is just not the case. That's like saying that the guy who invented the car knows more than an engineer for Ferrari because both vehicles have four wheels!
Just because Jews wrote some of the Old Testament doesn't mean they are Saved. They don't even believe Jesus was the Son of God! Please, Muslims believe in one God too, but they also believe in flying planes into buildings and strapping dynamite to kids and having them blow themselves up at outdoor cafes.
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-27-2008, 01:20 PM
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You do know that Christianity came out of Judaism. The two are pretty closely related....In fact the first 5 books of the bible are Hebrew scriptures.
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You DO know that it was the damned dirty hook-nosed joos who killed our Savior Christ, don't you?
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-27-2008, 09:35 PM
Regardless of the fact that the jews did kill Jesus, it was god's plan for it to happen anyway; correct?
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-27-2008, 09:39 PM
AH! I can't edit my post, but please recognize that "God" should be capitalized
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-27-2008, 10:57 PM
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AH! I can't edit my post, but please recognize that "God" should be capitalized
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You can't edit your post because you are Unsaved Trash. You cannot follow simple advice because you are a little tardtroll. This is not YOUR forum, friend. We have protocols which you are completely ignoring in your infantile excitement at finding a new place to "play." Well, we don't play here son, we are deadly serious about Jesus!
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-28-2008, 12:31 AM
Jesus didn't "create" Christianity. He GAVE it to us so that we might praise and worship Him all our otherwise meaningless lives. That way after He allows us to die, we can go to Heaven and praise and worship Him for eternity.
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-29-2008, 10:34 AM
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Regardless of the fact that the jews did kill Jesus, it was god's plan for it to happen anyway; correct?
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The coming of Christ is foretold in Isa:7:14: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
You will recall the Wise Men and their gifts of Gold, Frankincence and Myrrh.
Myrrh, symbolized the Salvation and Resurection From this we now know, but did not work out at the time because it was a Godly Mystery, that Jesus would die temporarily, not did we know How or Why He would die temporarily.
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-30-2008, 06:01 AM
You say Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion...
Then post a whole rammling of stuff to prove...well ...something or other.
Yet you overlook the obvious.
Before Christ , there was no such thing as Christianty , after Christ Chriistianity came to be..
Why ?...His followers recognised the oobvious, that he was the son of God and the prophesied salvation of all who came to his name.
If you had just thought about that you could have saved yourself a lot of time and effort rabbisising about all over those so called experts.
Christianity did not exist pre Jesus Christ.
Jesus formed the band of Apostles , and handed over his Word so they might propogate it and offer it to the hearts of man.
He gave his life, was ressurected , and ascended , as proof of that whole faith epiphany.
A new religion was thus 'born' ...
Born by the actions and words of one man .
Jesus Christ, when he brought a new religion into being by his life , teachings , temporary death, and ressurection.
Seek Salvation in Him,
or His Judgement will seek you.
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-30-2008, 06:50 AM
Why are we paying even the smallest amount of attention to this confused hebe? He might as well be saying Santa Claus made the world out of left over candy canes and tinsel.
Jesus is the son of God, He is His own father and He is also the Holy Spirit. He died briefly for all the sins ever commited and then He went up to Heaven to be with His Father/Himself for all eternity. End of story.
Read the KJV1611 cover to cover and believe EVERY word.
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-30-2008, 07:38 PM
Hey aberkid or whatever yer name is. I discovered long ago that these people are nothing but a bunch of retarded apes, as most Fundamentalists are...I think that "Retarded Ape" is a quite fitting term for people who want to believe that the earth is only 6000 years old.
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-30-2008, 09:28 PM
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Hey aberkid or whatever yer name is. I discovered long ago that these people are nothing but a bunch of retarded apes, as most Fundamentalists are...I think that "Retarded Ape" is a quite fitting term for people who want to believe that the earth is only 6000 years old.
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Shut your heathen trap Mr. Delirium Tremens! You're the one with the addled brain around here! And the earth is not 6000 years old, it's barely over 5000! You're such an idiot!
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
09-30-2008, 10:50 PM
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Hey aberkid or whatever yer name is. I discovered long ago that these people are nothing but a bunch of retarded apes, as most Fundamentalists are...I think that "Retarded Ape" is a quite fitting term for people who want to believe that the earth is only 6000 years old.
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Brotha with DTs, you may have noticed that Abercrombie there is an Orthodox Jew.
That means he believes in the literal Old Testament.
Thus, he fits your "retarded ape" category of people who believe the earth is only 6,000 years old.
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
10-01-2008, 02:16 AM
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Hey aberkid or whatever yer name is. I discovered long ago that these people are nothing but a bunch of retarded apes, as most Fundamentalists are...I think that "Retarded Ape" is a quite fitting term for people who want to believe that the earth is only 6000 years old.
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I find it amusing that Darwinists like to call people that don't subscribe to evolution theory "retarded apes". It strikes me that the term "retarded ape" is more befitting someone like you.
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Re: Historical Jesus didn't create a new religion! -
10-01-2008, 02:18 AM
Oh quit trying to twist my words around as if I am in a Presidential Debate or something
shame on you...and go shave that beard ya stupid hippie
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10-01-2008, 02:28 AM
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Oh quit trying to twist my words around as if I am in a Presidential Debate or something
shame on you...and go shave that beard ya stupid hippie
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10-01-2008, 02:31 AM
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I find it amusing that Darwinists like to call people that don't subscribe to evolution theory "retarded apes". It strikes me that the term "retarded ape" is more befitting someone like you.
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Retarded Ape is just a figure of speech and why are we bringing Darwin into this, the guy just came up with a theory with absolutely no intention of discrediting God...despite what your A-Beka curriculum textbooks claim, or Alpha/Omega (Lifepac) or your Pace's tell you. I would'nt even wipe my ass with those books
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