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Default Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution - 02-09-2013, 05:47 PM

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Really
What do you think Sun revolves Earth
And did you look at links?
You don't see the sun move across the sky? It doesn't move fast. You have to look away for a bit then look back. Surely you notice it rise in the morning and set in the evening on the other edge of the earth...



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Default Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution - 02-09-2013, 06:01 PM

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You don't see the sun move across the sky? It doesn't move fast. You have to look away for a bit then look back. Surely you notice it rise in the morning and set in the evening on the other edge of the earth...
OK
Earth is spherical
It rotates araoud Sun and around its axis
As Earth rotates around its axis to us it seams that
Sun rotates but it is standing


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Default Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution - 02-09-2013, 06:06 PM

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OK
Earth is spherical
It rotates araoud Sun and around its axis
As Earth rotates around its axis to us it seams that
Sun rotates but it is standing
So you say...
God says different
There is conflict
So I'm going to believe God



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Default Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution - 02-09-2013, 06:14 PM

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So you say...
God says different
There is conflict
So I'm going to believe God
Your decision
But think about this
You could stop "believing" in gravity
Apple will still fall


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Default Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution - 02-09-2013, 06:15 PM

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Your decision
But think about this
You could stop "believing" in gravity
Apple will still fall
Of course apples fall. They still fell before some fool made up a word and did some sums to try to prove God's description of the earth and firmament wrong.

But God's still here even if you stop believing in Him.



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Default Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution - 02-09-2013, 06:24 PM

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Of course apples fall. They still fell before some fool made up a word and did some sums to try to prove God's description of the earth and firmament wrong.

But God's still here even if you stop believing in Him.
OK
Explain this
How come that on one side of Earth
is night while on opozite side is day(in same time)
For example while in New York is day in Tokyo is night?
And how cant we see same stars from northern hemisphere
as sean from sought hemisphere?


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OK
Explain this
How come that on one side of Earth
is night while on opozite side is day(in same time)
For example while in New York is day in Tokyo is night?
And how cant we see same stars from northern hemisphere
as sean from sought hemisphere?
Are you aware of the argument from ignorance fallacy? Just because I can't explain some sort of made up fact you assert doesn't mean your explanation is by default correct.

God, meanwhile, can see what you are trying to do to my immortal soul and He hates it.
1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.



Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

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Are you aware of the argument from ignorance fallacy? Just because I can't explain some sort of made up fact you assert doesn't mean your explanation is by default correct.

God, meanwhile, can see what you are trying to do to my immortal soul and He hates it.
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Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

So you have no answer
I suggest some research
Here you can start here
Sun
Earth
Earth rotation
Daylight
If you still believe in flat Earth hypostasis
Then there is no point in presenting prof to you


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Default Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution - 02-09-2013, 07:29 PM

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Energy from Sun comes from via sunlight
created in its core by nuclear fusion
Solar energy
Can you back any of that up with Scripture?

I stopped reading when that article started throwing out phony numbers. Their estimates are way off, and I'm simply not so credulous as to believe any of it. We know that the sun is roughly 500 miles overhead, not "149.6 million kilometers," well within the firmament. Further, we know that the sun is a huge lump of coal (carbon), unlike stars, which are most likely diamonds. None of this nucular baloney is required. I suggest you look up Occam's Razor. But all this is moot since the sun, stars, moon, and earth are all contained within the firmament - a closed system.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics is clearly too complex for your feeble female brain to comprehend, and you will grasp at any straw to continue denying the Biblical account of Creation since you are repulsed by righteousness and hopelessly addicted to your life of sin.


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Default Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution - 02-09-2013, 07:57 PM

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Scientists already know about the sun. Besides, we know that since evolution isn't true, this "large external energy source" doesn't exist.
Scientists believe the sun is the "large external energy source" even if you don't.Your logic basically states that evolution isn't true, so the sun doesn't exist.

Now looking at this from another perspective, you could be saying that "evolution isn't true, so the sun isn't a large external energy source, and there's no such thing. Which would also be a large gap.

Simply put, it's a fallacy. Very interesting how you see this in others but not in yourself. Or maybe it's a consequence of not being able to think rationally.

Your best bet is to go with "the sun is not a large external energy source, and there is none, therefore evolution cannot happen." Which would lead back to the question of whether the sun is a large external energy source, which scientists maintain it is and you do not.

So no, thermodynamics still does not disprove evolution, because you have to look at this from a scientific perspective to disprove it to anyone who believes in evolution.

Anyways, wouldn't you consider the "large external energy source" to be God?


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Default Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution - 02-09-2013, 08:57 PM

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So no, thermodynamics still does not disprove evolution, because you have to look at this from a scientific perspective to disprove it to anyone who believes in evolution.
Entropy has to increase. Evolution is supposed to mean simple non organic chemistry becoming complex biology.

Put it this way, there are more possible states of non living matter than living so the necessary increase of entropy dictates that only by a conscious act of will can entropy be reversed so that life can exist.

Don't you find it at all telling that there is only one entity in the universe (God) who can do this?

It really is that simple.

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Default Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution - 02-09-2013, 10:37 PM

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Entropy has to increase. Evolution is supposed to mean simple non organic chemistry becoming complex biology.
The person in the first post seemed to know how this worked because he seemed to accept that the second law of thermodynamics wouldn't disprove evolution with a "large external energy source".

Anyways, to put it simply, the sun greatly increases entropy while evolution decreases it far less, resulting in a net increase in entropy.

Also, the earth is not an isolated system, the universe is. So as the total entropy of the universe is always increasing, the earth does not necessarily have to be, because it's within the universe.

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Put it this way, there are more possible states of non living matter than living so the necessary increase of entropy dictates that only by a conscious act of will can entropy be reversed so that life can exist.
Don't you find it at all telling that there is only one entity in the universe (God) who can do this?
It sounds like you believe the second law of thermodynamics is true and that God is working to reverse it. Which doesn't seem to be in the Bible..


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What do you think Sun revolves Earth

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Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.

Will you be big enough to admit you were wrong. I wonder?

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Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.

Will you be big enough to admit you were wrong. I wonder?

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Hello {Anna}. If you are not wrong then the Bible is wrong and I do not think you mean that. You seem like a nice person. The Bible is always right.

There is a Bible verse that says all Scripture is breathed out by God I used to have it marked with a Post-It note but the humidity here is messing things up.

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Hello {Anna}. If you are not wrong then the Bible is wrong and I do not think you mean that. You seem like a nice person. The Bible is always right.

There is a Bible verse that says all Scripture is breathed out by God I used to have it marked with a Post-It note but the humidity here is messing things up.

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No I meant that I right about fact that
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second law of thermodynamics does not disproves evolution
You assert this but I have yet to see you provide the proof.

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The Sun revolves around the Earth, is less than 500 miles away and is the result of a large lump of coal.
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Proofs are in links I posted
Anna, I have yet to see any links to scripture, how can you claim to have 'proof' if God is not the source? Otherwise it is hearsay from unreputable nefarious individuals. God tells us all people are sinners so how is any decent person to know if those people in the links you gave us Christians?


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Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
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