[Father Thomas Martin]

Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters

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Thank you. I shall wear it with honor.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin

Again, WE DON'T WORSHIP HER!

Or do you not believe those who have died and gone to heaven can pray for us up there too...They still love us and want the best for us!

As a matter of fact, no.

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin

Or do you not believe those who have died and gone to heaven can pray for us up there too...They still love us and want the best for us!

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

As a matter of fact, no.

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.

Thank you, Brother Bathfire, for such a lucid explanation that there is no such thing as a human family in Heaven. We see this also in the teachings of Jesus in the Book of Matthew:

Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. And last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Matthew 22:25-30

[StarrKingGrad]

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

As a matter of fact, no....

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.

Those are some pretty interesting verses. How exactly do you square the notions of eternal salvation and eternal damnation with the concept that the dead have no more a reward?

And doesn't verse 2 prove the Universalist case that all persons share the same eternal fate, regardless of individual beliefs regarding the sacrifice of Jesus?

Originally Posted by Ecclesiastes 9:2

All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath.

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin

Thank you. I shall wear it with honor.

You do know that's a Nazi insignia, don't you? Who am I kidding—of course you do.

[Vayhr of the Warhost]

Don't try and weasel your way out of my questions again like you did with this post. This is your second strike. Next time I'm calling you out.

Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin

The form of reverence we use for the Trinity is ADORATION-worship.

Everything else is just VENERATION-great respect and admiration.

Now based on the defintion of "venerate" and your own comments we know you pray to, honor, admire, and are devoted to Mary. We know you believe Mary to be an all present, all-hearing, all-seeing female entity (i.e. a goddess; let's not kid ourselves here) because she wouldn't see who you are, be able to hear your prayers, or be present to hear and see you otherwise.

Now based on the defintion of "adore" and your own comments we know you are fond of, honor, admire, and are devoted to The Trinity. We assume you believe The Trinity to be an all present, all-hearing, all-seeing, all-powerful force.

Drop the semantics, you altar boy butt burglar.

What do you DO in respect to Jesus that constitutes WORSHIP that you DO NOT do that constitutes VENERATION? Anybody can simply say, "I worship soandso". But what does this worship entail, pedophile?

?!?WHAT ARE YOUR ACTIONS?!?!

Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin

And why do you jump to conclusions saying all priests are pedophiles? Only 4% are, and I'm one of the 96% who aren't!

Only 4% have been caught? You guys are good. Professionals even.

Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin

By the way, doesn't your name sound pagan? Are you really a Christian or just a pagan trying to corrupt the sincere believers?

My name sounds pagan, huh? Your faith sounds pagan. I'm guessing Jesus is Zeus and Mary is?... hmmm, I don't know: Hera? All your so-called saints(who you also pray to) make up the rest of the pantheon of gods. Has your pagan cult decide yet whether or not they are going to deify John Paul?

[Billybob Sunday]

So - 4 percent actually rape the little boys (incidentally, how do you get that 4% number - is that the percentage that has actually been caught? Don't we all know that for every one crime that is proven, there are many more that are not?), and the other 96% cover it up. And every poor little Cathylick boy who walks into church is unknowingly playing some Satanic Faggot version of Russian Roulette.

These "Fathers" really make me want to vomit. If a single one of them had a shred of credibility, he would renounce his whore church, marry a good Christian woman, and enter the nearest Baptist seminary.

You can spew all of the so-called conflicting Bible versus you want, Padre. It doesn't change the fact that you are here at the bidding of Lucifer.

[Virgin For God]

I always thought they worshipped Mary because the "priests" really want to be Mary. They do, after all, wear those gowns and wear fancy jewellry. They also seem to have a fondness for young boys instead of young girls.
And if the "priests" want to be women, then the nuns would naturally want to be men, just to "balance" things out.
(And their followers actually believe that their "priests" and "nuns" stay celebate for their entire lives! Hilarious!)

[StarrKingGrad]

Quick question, Billybob. Are you saying that Mary is not blessed among women?

[JennyD]

Originally Posted by Father Thomas Martin

Again, WE DON'T WORSHIP HER!

Or do you not believe those who have died and gone to heaven can pray for us up there too...They still love us and want the best for us!

Could you show us the Scripture which states that your dead mommy and daddy are anything other than DEAD CORPSES IN THE GROUND until the time of the Resurrection of the Dead?

Yeah, I thought not.

Quit filling people's head with fantasies about people hanging out with Jesus right now, because until the Resurrection, they're rotting in the ground. With your precious dead Mary.

Originally Posted by StarrKingGrad

Those are some pretty interesting verses. How exactly do you square the notions of eternal salvation and eternal damnation with the concept that the dead have no more a reward?

The dead know nothing. The resurrected know whatever God wants them to know.

Do you not know the difference between "dead" and "resurrected"?

Originally Posted by StarrKingGrad

Quick question, Billybob. Are you saying that Mary is not blessed among women?

She WAS blessed among women. Now, she is DUST. When she is resurrected at Judgment, she will be blessed in that she will (possibly) be accepted into Heaven. However, as the others have demonstrated, she will no longer be a "woman" but simply a being without gender.

[Cheshire]

I feel the need to point this out: The only thing you should worship is GOD. God. God.

Not some stupid broad.

besides, do you think worshipping someone who might not even have a soul is going to help? All Mary was there for is to give birth and tend to Jesus, and then God.

God made it clear that women are inferior, and should shutup and take care of the men.

Who do the silly papists ignore God's direct commands?