A Bible "expert" has come to teach us.

[hamashiachagape]

Sorry I think this is funny. We don't celebrate Easter. We celebrate Pesach. Uh whats that right?

Read Exodus 12. If anyone wants a background lecture on how this applies to Yeshua, please by all means let me know.

I'm not sure where to begin with this site...this is all an abomination of scripture.

By the way, some might not know that I agree with the proper interpretation of Matthew 5:17-18 being the Torah not being abolished. But I'm sure you are too ignorant of scripture and Jewish history to understand the implications of what this really means according to the Bible.

[Levi Jones]

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By all means, why don't you tell us what it means in your expert opinion, Pastor or was it Doctor of Theological studies?

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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Sorry I think this is funny. We don't celebrate Easter. We celebrate Pesach. Uh whats that right?

Well gosh, mister. I ain't never read the story of Passover or the killing of the firstborn in Egypt.

Read Exodus 12. If anyone wants a background lecture on how this applies to Yeshua, please by all means let me know.

Wow, these new ideas are really blowing my mind. I never knew what the Lamb of God was.

Now listen here, you smart mouthed jackass. There is enough Bible study and knowledge around these parts to bury in.

[hamashiachagape]

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Hey "Pastor" Levi, why don't you quit being a stupid fundamentalist if you don't like what I'm saying and answer my objections instead of hiding behind a screen somewhere and sending me "infractions" (as if I really care about that). The Bible says to judge fairly according to the standard you wish to be judged. Well if you want to be unfair with information, then I think I'll be unfair with your judging of my information and your giving of infractions. <shrugs> Maybe you are just a stupid fundamentalist after all. Since you've had your "nose stuck in a Bible" most of your life as you claim, you should easily be able to handle my claims. I welcome a challenge anywhere.

[hamashiachagape]

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[QUOTE=Billy Bob Black;509206]Well gosh, mister. I ain't never read the story of Passover or the killing of the firstborn in Egypt.

I see you still don't get the point of Exodus 12.

If you were really educated on this, you would know it was more than just the killing of the first born of Egypt. Exodus 12 - 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 "This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb [a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire—head, legs and inner parts. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD's Passover.

12 "On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn—both men and animals—and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
14 "This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD -a lasting ordinance. 15 For seven days you are to eat bread made without yeast. On the first day remove the yeast from your houses, for whoever eats anything with yeast in it from the first day through the seventh must be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat—that is all you may do.
17 "Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread, because it was on this very day that I brought your divisions out of Egypt. Celebrate this day as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. 18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day. 19 For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And whoever eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel, whether he is an alien or native-born. 20 Eat nothing made with yeast. Wherever you live, you must eat unleavened bread."
21 Then Moses summoned all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Go at once and select the animals for your families and slaughter the Passover lamb. 22 Take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood in the basin and put some of the blood on the top and on both sides of the doorframe. Not one of you shall go out the door of his house until morning. 23 When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.
24 "Obey these instructions as a lasting ordinance for you and your descendants. 25 When you enter the land that the LORD will give you as he promised, observe this ceremony. 26 And when your children ask you, 'What does this ceremony mean to you?' 27 then tell them, 'It is the Passover sacrifice to the LORD, who passed over the houses of the Israelites in Egypt and spared our homes when he struck down the Egyptians.' " Then the people bowed down and worshiped. 28 The Israelites did just what the LORD commanded Moses and Aaron. 29 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. 30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.

Further it was to commemorate that the Israelites were freed from slavery by the Egyptians. The first born was significant since the sacrifices by the Egyptians would no longer be accepted since the first born of animals were to be sacrificed in order to be forgiven of sin. It also marked the destruction of the future generations of Egypt. This occurred due to Egypt's disobedience to God.

[Levi Jones]

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Hey "Pastor" Levi, why don't you quit being a stupid fundamentalist if you don't like what I'm saying and answer my objections instead of hiding behind a screen somewhere and sending me "infractions" (as if I really care about that).

I thought you would never ask.

I figured you for the type to keep running from thread to thread ducking me until I banned you.

The Bible says to judge fairly according to the standard you wish to be judged.

Chapter and verse, boy.

Well if you want to be unfair with information, then I think I'll be unfair with your judging of my information and your giving of infractions. <shrugs>

Yeah, I can tell the infractions don't bother you a bit.

Maybe you are just a stupid fundamentalist after all.

Maybe I am. Why don't you stick around and find out?

Since you've had your "nose stuck in a Bible" most of your life as you claim, you should easily be able to handle my claims. I welcome a challenge anywhere.

Proceed.

[hamashiachagape]

Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us.

The next question, where in the Bible does it say that its okay to acknowledge Eastre, the goddess of fertility, or that we should paint Easter eggs? Or acknowledge the "Easter bunny." Or even Saturnalia (Christmas) on December 25th? Why is that celebrated when Yeshua was not even born on that day?

[hamashiachagape]

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I thought you would never ask.

I figured you for the type to keep running from thread to thread ducking me until I banned you.



Chapter and verse, boy.



Yeah, I can tell the infractions don't bother you a bit.



Maybe I am. Why don't you stick around and find out?



Proceed.

No I just didn't see your comment. No need for you to push infraction points on me for that.

Matthew 7:1-5 - 1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

[Levi Jones]

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I see you still don't get the point of Exodus 12.

I see you have that copying a pasting thing down to a science.

Further it was to commemorate that the Israelites were freed from slavery by the Egyptians. The first born was significant since the sacrifices by the Egyptians would no longer be accepted since the first born of animals were to be sacrificed in order to be forgiven of sin. It also marked the destruction of the future generations of Egypt. This occurred due to Egypt's disobedience to God.

And your point would be what that we don't know what the Korban Pesach, or the Lamb of God is? That we don't know the story of the passover?

Why does the Bible say that Jesus and His disciples were in preparation for the passover when He was crucified?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I've stopped reading your drivel, I just know you'll be billing everyone who replied.

[Levi Jones]

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Matthew 7:1-5 - 1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

That clearly has to do with hypocritical judgment. There is no beam in my eye.

John 7:24
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 6:2-3
2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

He also writes in 1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.


What was your point again?

[hamashiachagape]

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By all means, why don't you tell us what it means in your expert opinion, Pastor or was it Doctor of Theological studies?

Matthew 5:17-20 states - 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Nevi im; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Torah until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law (legalism), you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

All this means is that the Torah was not abolished, by Yeshua's coming but we are not to follow in the ways of what would be defined as the Orthodox Rabbis of today. Brit Chadashah means "the renewed covenant" as its translated into English. It does not mean the New Covenant as Christians believe it to mean. The meaning of sacrifice is actually notated in Levitical law. Specifically Leviticus 17. Now with the substitution of Yeshua as our sacrifice for sin (the only clean human being and "righteous servant" per Isaiah 53), he becomes our permanent sacrifice, so that we no longer must spill the blood of animals. Besides this, animal sacrifices were refused by God after Yeshua's resurrection and the temple was destroyed 40 years after Yeshua's ministry had ended on Earth. If you read Leviticus 17, it states that the only place that sacrifices can be made was in the temple, or you are guilty of bloodshed. According to the true way of following Orthodox Judaism today without a Savior, they are essentially in trouble because they have no means to be forgiven of sin. With Yeshua we are permanently set free from our sins as we long as we repent and follow him to the best of our abilities with an earnest and true heart.

[Levi Jones]

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The next question, where in the Bible does it say that its okay to acknowledge Eastre, the goddess of fertility, or that we should paint Easter eggs? Or acknowledge the "Easter bunny."

We don't. Easter is about Jesus. End of story. I can't help it if some catholic pagans stole the name. It stuck and now it's a done deal. Do you want me to change the name of it specifically for you? I'm afraid that a bit beyond my power, friend.

Or even Saturnalia (Christmas) on December 25th? Why is that celebrated when Yeshua was not even born on that day?

That's an interesting topic. Some of us would say, prove he wasn't born on Dec. 25th. Personally, I don't care. It's the day that was chosen.

[hamashiachagape]

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That clearly has to do with hypocritical judgment. There is no beam in my eye.

John 7:24
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 6:2-3
2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

He also writes in 1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.


What was your point again?

Do you always prefer to pick from your favorite Biblical verses to make a point? Imagine if I took a sentence from a Historical textbook to make my point (no context required).


19Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?"
20"You are demon-possessed," the crowd answered. "Who is trying to kill you?" 21Jesus said to them, "I did one miracle, and you are all astonished. 22Yet, because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a child on the Sabbath. 23Now if a child can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing the whole man on the Sabbath? 24Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment."


His comment was meant to be directed towards a group of Pharisees who were not following the Torah in a correct manner.

1 Corinthians 6:1-5 1If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? 2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church![a] 5I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers?

This had to do with handling disputes between the church as there was vested authority given to people to handle situations. It again doesn't promote the "judgment" you are initiating, nor is it even taken in context by this forum.


1 Corinthians 2:10-17 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[a] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"[b] But we have the mind of Christ.

This has to do with those who actually follow the will of Yeshua according to the word of the Bible. I'm not seeing much of that here.

Perhaps Proverbs 12:1 would more or less apply to you if you don't see that you should take verses in context and see who they are actually directed towards.

"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid."

[hamashiachagape]

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We don't. Easter is about Jesus. End of story. I can't help it if some catholic pagans stole the name. It stuck and now it's a done deal. Do you want me to change the name of it specifically for you? I'm afraid that a bit beyond my power, friend.

It has no application to the true following of Yeshua, or Messianic Judaism.

That's an interesting topic. Some of us would say, prove he wasn't born on Dec. 25th. Personally, I don't care. It's the day that was chosen.

I will have for you a writing that demonstrates that he was born on Tishri 15 on the Jewish calendar, which would prove that he was born on a different day according to the Roman calendar each year. I have to leave for now.