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What is the unforgivable sin or blasphemy against the Holy Ghost? I have read so many of my fellow apologists say that it is impossible to commit it or that not accepting Christ is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. But is this accurate? Mark 3, Matthew 12, Luke 12


The first listing I see in the search engine under, “blasphemy against Holy Spirit” is from Apologetics Press Kyle Butt says the following in his opening paragraph:
“and to offer comment concerning whether it still can be committed today.”
Hmmm…. I wonder where he is going here? Why is it that the unforgivable sin cannot be committed today?
Matthew’s account offers the most detail concerning the setting in which Jesus’ statement was made.
I see. Because Matthew offers the most detail, that’s the version he is going to cherrypick use as his example to twist the scriptures into making the Bible say what he wants it to reach his hermeneutic.
In Matthew 12:22, the text indicates that a certain man who was demon-possessed was brought to Jesus to be healed. As was His common practice, Jesus cast out the unclean spirit, and healed the man of his blindness and inability to speak.
This part is good. It reminds us that demons cause blindness and deafness.

Like the demons this women suffers from to where she does not recognize her own peril.
“After seeing this display of power, the multitudes that followed Jesus asked, “Could this be the Son of David?” (12:23). Upon hearing this remark, the Pharisees, wanting to discredit the source from which Jesus received His power, declared that Jesus was casting out demons by “Beelzebub, the ruler of demons.’”
See where he is going yet? He is about to make the case that, “It’s historic! You had to be there, man!”


Kyle Butt probably about to tell half truths
What had the Pharisees done that would have put them in jeopardy of committing the unpardonable sin? According to His own testimony, during Jesus’ time on this Earth He cast out demons by the “Spirit of God” (Matthew 12:28). When the Pharisees saw that Jesus had performed a verifiable miracle, they could not argue with the fact that Christ possessed certain powers that others (including themselves) did not have. Therefore, in order to cast suspicion on the ministry of Jesus, they claimed that He was casting out demons by Beelzebub, the ruler of demons.
It is clear that blasphemy against the Spirit was a definite, singular sin, which could be committed by the Pharisees during the life of Jesus.
According to Butt, only the people alive while Jesus were alive and could be there to say He was committing miracles in the name of Satan/Beelzebub. Because they saw His miracles and denied them anyway.


Okay, but Mark 3 says the Scribes came from Jerusalem to accuse Jesus of this crime. What was the crime? They claimed the Holy Spirit was demonic. Even Butt admits this. He even admits that blasphemy is a crime of speech, but he falls far from the facts.
Mark 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
They never saw Him perform any miracles and the Bible says they came from far away, yet they still spoke against the Holy Ghost.
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
(Matthew 12:31-32)

After Jesus tells them that they will forever go to hell for speaking a word against the Holy Ghost, they ask for a sign or a miracle from Him.

Matt. 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
Does this sound like people who had just witnessed miracles? No! They asked for a sign even after Jesus warned them about blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
Debunked, Next!


The Truth? Jesus means what He says and says what He means.
But lets try some others and see what they say.

It’s one of our favorites. The sometimes heretical S. Michael Houdmann. I am sure this will be entertaining if nothing else. Nope, he makes a dumbed down case of what Butt already did.
3rd on the list is Matt Slick of CARM. He makes the exact same case, but even worse. He says there is no biblical support that a Christian or otherwise could blaspheme the Holy Ghost. I wonder if he has ever read Matthew, Mark or Luke? Or if he just copies from Houdmann and Butt?


They both say the unforgivable sin cannot be committed today.



Then why does the Bible make sure to go over what the unpardonable sin is three times? Jesus said and did more things than could be counted for (John 21:25), why then do we have some unimportant ruling only meant for those people standing right there no fewer than three times?
Could it be that Butt, Houdman and Slick are less than truthful and Jesus is telling the truth ?





It’s a lot simpler than they are making it out to be. Jesus actually meant what He said and He doesn’t need you to speak for Him. He can do that on His own, thank you gentlemen.


Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Does that look like Jesus is equivocating or being unclear?


It means exactly what it says. If you speak against the Holy Ghost by calling it evil, profane or just mocking it, you will burn forever and ever in hell! Don’t do it ever because there is no turning back.


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Rebuke Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 11-20-2015, 02:58 AM

Isn't it ironic, Brother Pastor Levi?

These self-appointed 'scholars' claim they know the mind of Jesus better than He Himself does! It would be hilarious if it were not deeply disturbing and sad. At the same time they're actually committing the unforgivable sin themselves by belittling the Holy Spirit as less than jealous (Exodus 20:5), not worthy of respect in our era.

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.


A typical seduction: claiming logic and scholarship, claiming respect, twisting the Word of God, interpreting the Word of God, claiming the Word of God obsolete, dismissing the Word of God and eventually engaging in big sodomy. Innocent people with start joking about the Holy Spirit being a nincompoop idiot without realizing that it is immediately all over for them. No pardon.

There must be a reason why the Word of God is equally valid yesterday, today and tomorrow concerning the Holy Spirit. He (the Spirit) as an ethereal being must be fragile and delicate and emotional. He is an entity less tangible than cigar smoke and as a consequence of volatile nature and hence susceptible to mean and nasty words. Jesus know what He is doing.




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Default Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 11-20-2015, 03:29 AM

Thank you, Pastor Levi. That clear explanation of blasphemy was needed badly in our country. Hopefully, it will be published across the world.

So many people pass themselves off as "experts" in what the Bible means. It means what it says.


Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.
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Default Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 11-20-2015, 03:36 AM

That is truly powerful testimony.


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Default Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 11-20-2015, 11:01 PM

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They both say the unforgivable sin cannot be committed today.
Good grief, Pastor. Next these so-called "Christian apologists" will be telling us that helping the community and volunteerism is equivalent to loving and obeying Jesus and that's why everyone will go to Heaven when we all know volunteering one's time and resources to help dogs defecate on the Sweet, Sweet Gospel (Matthew 7:6) is doing nothing more than enabling laziness. Anyone who could think they know better than Jesus what Jesus meant to say in the Holy Bible is clearly no respecter of the Holy Bible or Its Holy Author - Jesus.

Do you think it's fair to say, Pastor Jones, that these so-called Christian "apologists" are worse than Muslim terrorists, because Muslim terrorists destroy only the flesh, and even then, only the flesh the LORD has decided is A-OKAY to destroy in the first place (Amos 3:7)? These so-called Christian "apologists" on the other hand, prey on the trust of the faithful, confusing them into thinking secular activism is virtuous when we know none of that matters in the end, for if one has not Faith in Christ Jesus, one is doomed for eternal damnation (John 3:18).


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Do you think it's fair to say, Pastor Jones, that these so-called Christian "apologists" are worse than Muslim terrorists, because Muslim terrorists destroy only the flesh, and even then, only the flesh the LORD has decided is A-OKAY to destroy in the first place (Amos 3:7)? These so-called Christian "apologists" on the other hand, prey on the trust of the faithful, confusing them into thinking secular activism is virtuous when we know none of that matters in the end, for if one has not Faith in Christ Jesus, one is doomed for eternal damnation (John 3:18).
Shout glory, sister. Jesus warned us about them. Matthew 7:15

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.


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Default Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 12-19-2015, 04:13 PM

I think that your religion is stupid. U mad?
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Oh, my goodness me! You can not make these Baptists angry by being rude. The Bible tells them they will be exalted for taking your abuse.

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Default Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 12-20-2015, 02:07 AM

great post. i love reading the truth every now and then. blasphemy is so scary. knowing that you'll never be forgiven is so scary. even though i'm not forgiven of my sins, i do have enough brains in my silly head not to blaspheme. God is good and i don't have anything bad to say about him because he is pure and holy.
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Default Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 12-28-2015, 08:51 PM

Is that the same as cursing God Himself? After all, God is the same as the Holy Spirit, right?
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Default Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 12-28-2015, 09:01 PM

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Is that the same as cursing God Himself?
No.

It's actually OK to blaspheme against Jesus:

Luke 12:10 - And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.


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After all, God is the same as the Holy Spirit, right?
Yes and no.

By the way, I am unable to locate your introduction thread.
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Default Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 09-19-2019, 07:59 PM

I got into an agrument with my bf and I said I didnt anything to do with the holy spirit, the holy spirit is evil...bc I wanted to hold onto my anger...my bf made a reference to I wasnt walking in the spirit such as being slow to anger etc...(and at the time I really dont like when he used God on me to shut me up bc I wanted to continue to talk on whatever we were arguing) that's what lead me to say those things. The funny thing about that is, I knew to be very careful about what I said about the holy spirit so I was kinda contemplating which word I said bc I didnt want it to be used against me.. and I made the mistake to choose the word "evil"....and after that, I was very worried and gain false security through the internet of what the unpardonable sin is really all about. Thoughts and advice? Am I doomed or is there still hope?
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Default Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 09-19-2019, 08:30 PM

Yup, you're doomed and inadvertently going to Hell.
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Default Re: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unforgivable. - 09-20-2019, 06:02 AM

It was a mistake... isn't it possible that maybe it's not a one time act.... mark 3 30 said they were saying so that implies as they said it more then once... and mark 3 29 said they were in danger not condemn so in a way there is still hope bc I heard someone who actually commits this they dont care/worry about it bc of their hardened hearts... I got batpize after what said in the past and I remember when I read this passage of the unpardonable sin that when I pray and I remember what I said....I've been so paralyzed in life please pray for me....thank you
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It was a mistake... isn't it possible that maybe it's not a one time act.... mark 3 30 said they were saying so that implies as they said it more then once... and mark 3 29 said they were in danger not condemn so in a way there is still hope bc I heard someone who actually commits this they dont care/worry about it bc of their hardened hearts... I got batpize after what said in the past and I remember when I read this passage of the unpardonable sin that when I pray and I remember what I said....I've been so paralyzed in life please pray for me....thank you
Well, dear, since you have committed the unforgivable sin, then praying for you would be a waste of my precious time, don't you think?

Jesus is very clear on this matter - you are screwed:

Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Matthew 3:28-29
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
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