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God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-08-2009, 03:27 AM
Do not be fooled, AA comes straight from the depths of hell. It is single-handedly responsible for turning America away from Christ!
AA was founded by a boodhist devil-worshiper, who got the ideas for the twelve steps programs after being possessed by a demon.
What's wrong with AA? For one thing, they try to teach people that's it okay to be an alcoholic. They tell people it's a disease, it's not their fault they want to drink, that is how they were born, etc. BLASPHEMY! God does not create anyone to be evil. As the Bible says, drunkenness is a sin! Alcoholics CHOOSE to be despicable drunks! They are evil! People with the love of Jesus in their lives would never turn to alcohol to fix their problems anyway. In fact, True Christians don't have any problems (besides getting perseucted by the intolerant majority of the world).
Drunks are sinners, and sinners should be shunned, despised, thrown to the curb and killed if they don't repent. But because of the liberals (joos) in power, through the force of AA, we are taught to be kind and accepting to these boozers.
Worse still, AA is accepting of people of all religions! They even allow people with NO religion in! How sick is that??? Even if you argued that AA helps poor drunks (which it doesn't) whatever made anyone think that people who aren't Christian deserve help? The Bible tells us not to associate with them, but AA tells its Christian members to meet with these monsters several times a week, to talk with them, befriend them, share their problems. THIS IS THE WORK OF SATAN. And since AA's rules specify that you have to worship a higher power during these meeting, but not specifically identified as the Lord Jesus Christ, that means Christians who go to AA are actually worshiping false gods amongst a pack of heathens! EVERYONE WHO GOES TO AA IS GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL.
AA is a sick cult. It's designed to take attention away from God. It tells its member to become completely dependant on them to cope with their lives. I don't know about you, but to me the idea of a bunch of people meeting once a week and forming a tight-knit community, trying to sort of their problems with the help of an invisible higher power, following an arbitrary set of rules and a big handbook, that just seems perverse. No mentally sound person would need that kind of support system to make it through their day-to-day lives.
Of course, I owe this information largely to this article, where you can read in more detail the horrors of that damnable institute, Alcoholics Anonymous, scourge of society!
http://www.worldviewtimes.com/articl...e/John-Lanagan
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-08-2009, 03:34 AM
Amen brother! All you have to know is that AA offers atheist groups to see how hellbound that organization is.
Without JESUS (not some demonic "higher power") there is no Salvation!
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-08-2009, 04:22 AM
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Amen brother! All you have to know is that AA offers atheist groups to see how hellbound that organization is.
Without JESUS (not some demonic "higher power") there is no Salvation!
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I attended one of their sordid "meetings" once (as a visitor with my neighbor). They had the absolute gall to tell her that if she did not believe in GOD, she could make the DOOR KNOB her "HIGHER POWER"! Can you imagine?? Saved by the grace of a DOOR KNOB???? Simply blasphemous!
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-08-2009, 05:21 AM
I'd rather be an alcoholic in heaven than sober in hell. Our friends at Rapture Ready point out the evils of A.A:
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A.A. is just another cult for their loyal supporting members. "Without AA you are helpless and will die". Part of the problem is it's so widespread and available it's the default rehab solution for society.
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I am truly glad that you were saved
and am not kidding but the problem is, is that A.A. can not save you or
anyone else. The only one who can truly free you is Jesus Christ, because
Alcoholism is Drunkenness, Drunkenness is a Sin and only Jesus can free us
from Sin. Sure I admit that some are indeed saved by the Lord through A.A.
but at the same time some are saved by the Lord through Satanism also. The
Lord can save anyone no matter what they do or are in.
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Yes, I understand that but look at it this way, if Jesus Christ is who the Bible
says he is then the A.A. is leading people towards False Religions and gods.
Not only that, they are also yoking up true Believers in Christ with the
unGodly and unbelievers into bondage.
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us
free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath
light with darkness?
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He is our King! He has let you see. Barbi, I would appreciate your prayers. I have been trying to write a book exposing the anti-Biblical nature and origin of AA. So many of us remain deceived.
Some of us will never leave. A transference of faith has taken place. AA and the 12 Steps are where the heart is, despite what lips may claim.
But not you, o saint!
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A.A. cofounder Bill Wilson "felt it would be unwise to have an allegiance to any one religious sect. He felt A.A.'s usefullness was worldwide, and contained spiritual principles that members of any and every religion could accept, including the Eastern religions."
--From PASS IT ON, the official A.A. biography of Bill Wilson, pg. 283
Alcoholics Anonymous was created to prevent people from coming to Christ, and to water down the beliefs of Christians who are continually exposed to 12 Step theology in meeting after meeting.
All the well reasoned discussion points in defense of A.A. cannot change the fact that Christians are not to participate in this all-gods religion.
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Yes, but this is a "spiritual program." People are told they must turn their lives over to something, whether apple, avocado, or ancestral spirit. Christians, who are told in 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 to remain spiritually separate, are expected to participate and pray with non-believers in this all-gods religion.
John, the stigma these days is if one is a Christian...
I praise the Lord you are sober. We have a real problem here--we have an all gods religion being increasingly accepted by the Body of Christ. It is, I believe, the beginning of the separation. The apostate church is rising, and the 12 Steps have served as a powerful base.
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My point is simply we are not to be yoked with unbelievers. The Lord gave us that guideline to HELP us, not to hurt us. If He says it, then it's good. And I believe that any organization that has a 'spiritual' context to it, as AA does, and where Christians gather together with unbelievers yet Christ and Him crucified is not preached ~ well, I believe it's not just bad judgment, but it's a sin. But that's me and my understanding of Scripture. I certainly don't want to 'condemn' you, nor is it my intention to criticize you. I just believe we should examine ourselves and hold up the Bible as a mirror into our lives and I think we should explore these things together. I'm a believer, as you are. We are not to look to the world for help ~ our help comes from the Lord. That's all I've been trying to share with you.
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even though A.A. has proven itself to have a far greater success rate than any other alcohol abuse treatment program, even though it has saved the lives of millions and brought probably hundreds of thousands to a personal relationship with Christ it is still wrong.
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Ausador,
Christ is the answer. Christ has the power and the love. A.A. has diverted many from Truth, and confused many others. What you see as a loving spiritual program I see as a deadly spiritual decoy.
The following is a quote from Martin and Deidre Bobgan, authors of '12
Steps To Destruction.' These are hard words. But they are true.
"The AA religion is Christless and offers a counterfeit salvation without the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ. Seeking a Christless salvation through turning one's life over to a 'God as we understood Him' has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with idolatry, false religions, and paganism. And because of the many versions of God represented in AA, professing Christians are uniting themselves with a spiritual harlot when they join AA." (pg.131-132)
Time is running out. The apostate church is rising. May Christ bring His people out from the 12 Step religion. Amen.
Standing with you, brother. Amen.
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Having been to AA and as a Born-Again Christian and talking about Sin
at the Podium man they really wanted to run me off on a rail.
They were squirming in thier seats and couldn't get me out of there fast enough! I was actually having a good laugh inside given the fact I pointedout how power less everyone's higher power is if it is not Jesus Christ that is when the moderator for the program said well your time is up. No one talked to me or would look me in the eye at the conclusion of that meeting and it was the last time I went!
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“Just as every major world religion has moral principles that may sound acceptable to many Christians (if they heard those principals outside the context of that religion), A.A.’s Steps and Traditions sound very acceptable to unsuspecting Christians. Therefore, it is necessary to consider some of the doctrinal differences between A.A. and Christianity,” write Martin and Deidre Bobgan.
This is from Chapter 6 of their book, ‘Twelve Steps To Destruction,’ pg.126. You can read this, and indeed the entire book, here: http://www.pamweb.org/e-books/12steps-ebk.pdf
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-08-2009, 07:37 AM
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What's wrong with AA? For one thing, they try to teach people that's it okay to be an alcoholic. They tell people it's a disease, it's not their fault they want to drink, that is how they were born, etc. BLASPHEMY! God does not create anyone to be evil. As the Bible says, drunkenness is a sin! Alcoholics CHOOSE to be despicable drunks!
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I can just see them, sitting around in their tight little circle, getting a thrill out of "sharing"...which is nothing more than talking about their past sins and wild exploits, getting a cheap thrill out of it!
And the Initiates, the most vulnerable a.k.a. "Fresh Meat", are told they have to go to "90 meetings in 90 days", while their brains and bones are still soft.
Surely any decent organization would say "Take what you've heard tonight" (because the meetings are always at night) "Talk to your pastor and parents about it, and come back when you've thought about it and know you're ready."
But no, once they've got their claws in them they can't let go!
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-10-2009, 01:47 AM
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I can just see them, sitting around in their tight little circle, getting a thrill out of "sharing"...which is nothing more than talking about their past sins and wild exploits, getting a cheap thrill out of it!
And the Initiates, the most vulnerable a.k.a. "Fresh Meat", are told they have to go to "90 meetings in 90 days", while their brains and bones are still soft.
Surely any decent organization would say "Take what you've heard tonight" (because the meetings are always at night) "Talk to your pastor and parents about it, and come back when you've thought about it and know you're ready."
But no, once they've got their claws in them they can't let go!
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I believe they shame people who are unable to get "perfect" sobriety from day one. Alcoholism is like any other addiction/over-indulgence. I hate AA big book thumpers because they take the approach of celebrating "birthdays" instead of being realistic and acknowledging that often it's one step forward, 2 steps back...Unrealistic and demoralizing place for many folks to be...
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-10-2009, 02:00 AM
What's the big deal? If you don't want to drink beer, don't drink it.
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-10-2009, 02:03 AM
God doesn't hate Alcoholics Anonymous. God doesn't hate anything. Especially people trying to help others. Unlike you, you small-minded, pathetic excuse for a person!
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-10-2009, 02:03 AM
Don't forget AA's bastard brothers and sisters, Narcotics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Overeaters Anonymous, and whatever else these pansies have come up with to separate people from the Lord.
A baby is a human being, not a stem cell!
Psalm 139:19-20
Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-10-2009, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Heathen_Basher
Do not be fooled, AA comes straight from the depths of hell. It is single-handedly responsible for turning America away from Christ!
AA was founded by a boodhist devil-worshiper, who got the ideas for the twelve steps programs after being possessed by a demon.
What's wrong with AA? For one thing, they try to teach people that's it okay to be an alcoholic. They tell people it's a disease, it's not their fault they want to drink, that is how they were born, etc. BLASPHEMY! God does not create anyone to be evil. As the Bible says, drunkenness is a sin! Alcoholics CHOOSE to be despicable drunks! They are evil! People with the love of Jesus in their lives would never turn to alcohol to fix their problems anyway. In fact, True Christians don't have any problems (besides getting perseucted by the intolerant majority of the world).
Drunks are sinners, and sinners should be shunned, despised, thrown to the curb and killed if they don't repent. But because of the liberals (joos) in power, through the force of AA, we are taught to be kind and accepting to these boozers.
Worse still, AA is accepting of people of all religions! They even allow people with NO religion in! How sick is that??? Even if you argued that AA helps poor drunks (which it doesn't) whatever made anyone think that people who aren't Christian deserve help? The Bible tells us not to associate with them, but AA tells its Christian members to meet with these monsters several times a week, to talk with them, befriend them, share their problems. THIS IS THE WORK OF SATAN. And since AA's rules specify that you have to worship a higher power during these meeting, but not specifically identified as the Lord Jesus Christ, that means Christians who go to AA are actually worshiping false gods amongst a pack of heathens! EVERYONE WHO GOES TO AA IS GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL.
AA is a sick cult. It's designed to take attention away from God. It tells its member to become completely dependant on them to cope with their lives. I don't know about you, but to me the idea of a bunch of people meeting once a week and forming a tight-knit community, trying to sort of their problems with the help of an invisible higher power, following an arbitrary set of rules and a big handbook, that just seems perverse. No mentally sound person would need that kind of support system to make it through their day-to-day lives.
Of course, I owe this information largely to this article, where you can read in more detail the horrors of that damnable institute, Alcoholics Anonymous, scourge of society!
http://www.worldviewtimes.com/articl...e/John-Lanagan
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Interesting... You claimed that Christians have Jesus, so they're not alcoholics. However, you later said that they shouldn't accept anyone BUT Christians. So you're implying that Christians are alcoholics (or some of them, at least). AA is an organization totally independent from any religion anyway. What gives you the authority to say who they accept and who they don't?
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-10-2009, 02:15 AM
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God doesn't hate Alcoholics Anonymous. God doesn't hate anything.
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Please provide Scriptural evidence for this assertion of yours, or stop telling lies about God!
Do you think God will cast the vast majority of humanity into eternal torture in Hell because He loves them so much?
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-10-2009, 03:43 AM
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Interesting... You claimed that Christians have Jesus, so they're not alcoholics. However, you later said that they shouldn't accept anyone BUT Christians. So you're implying that Christians are alcoholics (or some of them, at least). AA is an organization totally independent from any religion anyway. What gives you the authority to say who they accept and who they don't?
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Yes, I should have specified.
It's true, there are no Christian drunks. But there are FALSE nominal Christians, who are drunks, and join AA. I'm pointing out why these people are not living up to Christian standards by joining AA.
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-10-2009, 03:51 AM
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God doesn't hate Alcoholics Anonymous. God doesn't hate anything. Especially people trying to help others. Unlike you, you small-minded, pathetic excuse for a person!
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You are obviously a false Christian who has never actually read the Bible.
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Leviticus 20:23
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 11:5
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Proverbs 6:16, 19
These six things doth the LORD hate ... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Hosea 9:15
I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings.
Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
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Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
03-11-2009, 01:41 AM
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You are obviously a false Christian who has never actually read the Bible.
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Thank you, Pastor...My Bayes' bile-filled post was most ignorant and disconcerting...I see why he is Unsaved Trash!!!
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
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Let's be real, alcoholics only got to AA because of their Godless ways. I went to an AA meeting once to support my cousin who had a drinking problem. One person got up at the podium and was actually saying that satan was his higher power. He was also a black and I think he may have been gay. How are people like that going to help my cousin who is a god fearing boy from Arkansas? They should all be burned in hellfire!
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
12-17-2011, 09:23 PM
I am glad I do not go to church where ever this is. I don't know why some of these admins on here don't ban this kind of crap. It's insane to me how hate filled you people are. God may hate things, such as alcoholism, but it does say that we all have an equal chance for salvation. It says that we should recruit as always be on a mission to educate people on God, it doesn't say be a hateful piece of garbage so that nobody will want to know about him.
Some people were never taught about Jesus, therefore do not know that Alcoholism is bad, to deem that 100% of the alcoholics as people that need to be killed is just insane. Instead of bashing the only thing available for most people, you should be doing something constructive to help them. I can tell you for sure that sitting here talking all of this negativity will not want to make any non christian nor alcoholic, want to even consider making a change.
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Re: God HATES Alcoholics Anonymous! -
12-17-2011, 09:34 PM
My friend, when I was a homosexual I was, of course, also a gutter drunk given to black outs when I would wake up in the bed of strange men. Perhaps it was a blessing that I could not remember the filthy and wicked acts I had performed the previous evening, but even as a God-hater, I knew instinctively that what I was doing was just plain wrong.
AA only encouraged my deplorable habit. They told me I had a disease and was powerless to help myself. So off to the liquor store for another fifth of Everclear and another night of sodomy trysts.
Only when my body was nearly ruined by the booze and the gay sex did I ask Jesus Christ for help. And He cured me that very moment. Twenty years clean now.
Jesus saves. Not frauds like the AA.
In Christ
Matthew 19:14 "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
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12-17-2011, 09:40 PM
Here's some of JESUS' love for you:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:26
Also, JESUS calls some people dogs:
And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. - Matthew 15:22-26
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12-17-2011, 09:56 PM
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Some people were never taught about Jesus,
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Yes, and if there's any more proof needed that God hated them from the start needed...
Why else would God cause someone to be born into almost certain damnation?
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12-17-2011, 10:35 PM
Alcoholism happens when you don't have Christ in your life. Period. My husband, for example, has eight to twelve beers a day and has never developed an addiction; he even tells me he has no problem driving. And it's all thanks to his faith in Jesus.
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