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Default Re: Definitive proof of the Satanic nature of Harry Potter - 04-08-2007, 07:02 AM

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What's that supposed to prove?

We all know atheists will lie about anything. Why wouldn't thousands of them they say they were Christians, to curry favor with the wardens and try to get time off for good behavior?
It is what is know as evidence. Something you haven't provided for your own assertions. Atheists rarely lie about being Christians. And wouldn't this lying be just as likely to occur outside of prison as in it?

You want absolute and incontrovertible proof do you? Why don't you prove your side of the argument? So far you are just making up what you say as you go along and giving us nothing but wild speculation. Typical woolly Christian thinking.
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It is what is know as evidence. Something you haven't provided for your own assertions. Atheists rarely lie about being Christians. And wouldn't this lying be just as likely to occur outside of prison as in it?

You want absolute and incontrovertible proof do you? Why don't you prove your side of the argument? So far you are just making up what you say as you go along and giving us nothing but wild speculation. Typical woolly Christian thinking.
The only "evidence" I need for this discussion is the fact that the "secularists" here, like Bozo and BAA-BAA-Black Sheep, were only too willing to immediately accept my assertion that atheists are more likely to be in prison than Christian folk, even though I provided no "evidence" to back it up.

This tells me exactly how THEY think of THEMSELVES and OTHER SECULARISTS. They, as secularists, know that they have no moral root, since they are outside of God's Grace.


They know, deep down, that morals can only come from God. That's why there is less crime in Christian nations, like the US and Western Europe. It's also why there's less crime, lower rates of teen pregnancy, and fewer STDs and divorces, among other results of sinful life, in the more "conservative" parts of the United States . . . that is, those dominated by nearly-True Christians!

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Default Re: Definitive proof of the Satanic nature of Harry Potter - 04-08-2007, 07:54 AM

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The only "evidence" I need for this discussion is the fact that the "secularists" here, like Bozo and BAA-BAA-Black Sheep, were only too willing to immediately accept my assertion that atheists are more likely to be in prison than Christian folk, even though I provided no "evidence" to back it up.

This tells me exactly how THEY think of THEMSELVES and OTHER SECULARISTS. They, as secularists, know that they have no moral root, since they are outside of God's Grace.


They know, deep down, that morals can only come from God. That's why there is less crime in Christian nations, like the US and Western Europe. It's also why there's less crime, lower rates of teen pregnancy, and fewer STDs and divorces, among other results of sinful life, in the more "conservative" parts of the United States . . . that is, those dominated by nearly-True Christians!

God showers his Grace upon His followers, making their cities safer, and keeping their children pure! PRAISE!
I am a secularist. I'm a secular humanist. I accept that many tenets of the major religions are good common sense, although in the case of Christianity the major denominations -- as you TCs so often point out -- have very much altered their ideas of what the Bible actually says and teachers. The major Christian outfits -- the Anglicans and many other protestant denominations and even the Catholics -- have become more and more liberal as time has gone on.

One can believe in the concepts of right and wrong, good and bad, without accepting the notion of a God or Gods, and certainly without accepting the Christian God, who, if the old testament in particular is to be believed, is a psychopath.

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It's also why there's less crime, lower rates of teen pregnancy, and fewer STDs and divorces, among other results of sinful life, in the more "conservative" parts of the United States . . . that is, those dominated by nearly-True Christians!

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Pardon? Where's your evidence for this? I thought that recent surveys had shown that rates of teen pregnancy and STDs, and divorces too, were higher in the more conservative areas. According to the evidence that I've seen and heard about, divorce rates along with the rates of teen pregnancy and STDS were lower in liberal areas like Massachusetts and Washington DC. Related to the divorce rates was the fact that those in the liberal areas tended to get married on average later (and more never married at all). Whether the lower rates of teen pregnancy and STDs amongst the liberals is because they have sex less or because they are better educated about it, is not clear.

PS What you describe as the secularists here are, with all respect, a 15-year-old and someone else whose views I'm not sure about. They are not typical of secularists anywhere and only swallowed what you said because the had the grace to imagine that you wouldn't have said it without good reason. They now know better, one hopes.

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PS What you describe as the secularists here are, with all respect, a 15-year-old and someone else whose views I'm not sure about. They are not typical of secularists anywhere and only swallowed what you said because the had the grace to imagine that you wouldn't have said it without good reason. They now know better, one hopes.
You may be some sort of freak of secularism, but these other two clearly accepted my assertions as being exactly what they are . . . Godless, amoral heathens. They have no grace! One's on moderation for his persistent vulgarity, and the other is a shameless hussy with her tongue hanging out in her avatar!

I look forward to your evidence about these surveys you 'thought' you read about. I thought you preferred evidence about everything? You demand it of me, yet you don't feel a need to provide any.

On the other subject of your post, I do believe your statements about False Christian demoninations becoming more liberal; that's part of what makes them False Christian, and why LBC has this online outreach forum in the first place.

Either the Bible is God's Perfect Word, or it isn't. These False Christian liberal sorts think they are God, and can decide which parts to pay attention to and which to ignore!

What happens when I decide that parts of traffic law are silly, and I go flying down the road drunk at 95 mph? I get punished! The law specifies the punishment!

What do you think will happen to False Christians who have decided that parts of God's Word are silly? Does not God specify the punishment?
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Default Re: Definitive proof of the Satanic nature of Harry Potter - 04-08-2007, 02:50 PM

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Instead of smugly spewing uneducated opinions at us and tacking on a little smiley face, why don't you spend five minutes of your hours of web-surfing time to look for some answers?
He's making progress - he does seem to accept that atheism leads to criminality.
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Harry could die, but he's Harry! He'd come back to life, right?!
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It is what is know as evidence. Something you haven't provided for your own assertions. Atheists rarely lie about being Christians. And wouldn't this lying be just as likely to occur outside of prison as in it?
Because atheists outside prison can't discredit Christianity by pretending to be Christians. And because they can't try and curry the favour of Christian prison warders. So there you go.


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Default Re: Definitive proof of the Satanic nature of Harry Potter - 04-08-2007, 03:30 PM

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A small majority of those voting in Internet polls predict that Harry will die. And perhaps his friends with him, although that is less likely.

Many believe that he will die nobly as an act of self-sacrifice for his loved ones in one terrible last battle with the evil Voldermort.

Other suggestions range from the very silly to quite plausible (listed in order of plausibility as decided by me):

9) Harry gets very drunk on butterbeer and has a one-night stand with Dementor, discovering that its "Hump of Despair" is worse than its "Kiss of Death." (Outlandishly silly!)

8) He accidentally comes upon Professor McGonagall naked, tears his eyes out and bleeds to death. (Very silly.)

7) Harry gives up all hope of ever killing Voldemort and starts a messianic cult. He passes out a Deadly Draught to students and they complete the largest wizard group suicide pact in history. (Never.)

And some more plausible scenarios:

6) Unaware that the Pensieve has been replaced by a Fountain of Acid, Harry dips his head in it.

5) Harry is tragically decapitated by the Hogwart's express during a game of "chicken" with Draco Malfoy.

4) Harry contracts bird Flu from infected owls.

3) Harry gets wizard's syphilis from Ginny Weasley.

2) Harry is provided with bad acid by Luna Lovegood, and while tripping believes that he can fly without his broom, and dies leaping from an astronomy tower window.

1) Ron murders Harry after catching Hermione holding Harry's wand.
I wonder if Hagrid will buy the one way ticket to the spiritual realms? Just a hunch! Whatever happens I am sure it will be a fitting ending to a brilliant story!
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Default Re: Definitive proof of the Satanic nature of Harry Potter - 04-09-2007, 09:40 AM

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The only "evidence" I need for this discussion is the fact that the "secularists" here, like Bozo and BAA-BAA-Black Sheep, were only too willing to immediately accept my assertion that atheists are more likely to be in prison than Christian folk, even though I provided no "evidence" to back it up.

This tells me exactly how THEY think of THEMSELVES and OTHER SECULARISTS. They, as secularists, know that they have no moral root, since they are outside of God's Grace.


They know, deep down, that morals can only come from God. That's why there is less crime in Christian nations, like the US and Western Europe. It's also why there's less crime, lower rates of teen pregnancy, and fewer STDs and divorces, among other results of sinful life, in the more "conservative" parts of the United States . . . that is, those dominated by nearly-True Christians!

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Putting words in my mouth again OYK tut tut!! I just made reference to the FACT that people end up in prison and commented that a lack of faith is possibly one of the reasons they end up in prison - faith in their fellow man, themselves etc etc
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Default Re: Definitive proof of the Satanic nature of Harry Potter - 04-09-2007, 02:03 PM

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You may be some sort of freak of secularism, but these other two clearly accepted my assertions as being exactly what they are . . . Godless, amoral heathens. They have no grace! One's on moderation for his persistent vulgarity, and the other is a shameless hussy with her tongue hanging out in her avatar!

I look forward to your evidence about these surveys you 'thought' you read about. I thought you preferred evidence about everything? You demand it of me, yet you don't feel a need to provide any.

On the other subject of your post, I do believe your statements about False Christian demoninations becoming more liberal; that's part of what makes them False Christian, and why LBC has this online outreach forum in the first place.

Either the Bible is God's Perfect Word, or it isn't. These False Christian liberal sorts think they are God, and can decide which parts to pay attention to and which to ignore!

What happens when I decide that parts of traffic law are silly, and I go flying down the road drunk at 95 mph? I get punished! The law specifies the punishment!

What do you think will happen to False Christians who have decided that parts of God's Word are silly? Does not God specify the punishment?
My use of "thought" was ironical.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/state...ncy_trends.pdf

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Among states with available data, Arkansas had the highest pregnancy rate among non-Hispanic white teenagers (77 per 1,000). Pregnancy rates among this group were also high in other Southern states: Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Kentucky and South Carolina (71–73 per 1,000). Meanwhile, North Dakota had the lowest rate among non-Hispanic white teenagers (33 per 1,000).

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Default Re: Definitive proof of the Satanic nature of Harry Potter - 04-09-2007, 02:21 PM

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He's making progress - he does seem to accept that atheism leads to criminality.

You compare Harry Potter to Jesus Christ?

Because atheists outside prison can't discredit Christianity by pretending to be Christians. And because they can't try and curry the favour of Christian prison warders. So there you go.
You grossly underrate the intelligence and common-sense of the sociologists and others who do the research. It's important that anonymity is maintained when doing surveys like this. Each prisoner would, say, be brought into an interview room where they would be given a spiel about not putting anything on the form they are going to be given that would identify them. Then they go behind a screen, pick up a form from a pile there -- they choose the form, but they all will be identical anyway without numbers or individual references -- fill it in, fold it up, and put it in large box with all he others. No one, not even the researches, can identify the individual the form is filled in by.

Making sure that no one will either gain an advantage from or be disadvantaged by the answers they give is an important part of any survey design.

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My use of "thought" was ironical.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/state...ncy_trends.pdf

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All this proves is that states with lots of False Christians, like those hypocritical Southern Baptists --

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Jews don't recognize Jesus is Lord.

God doesn't recognize Mohammed as anything but some illiterate nutcase who convinced a few people who could write that he was a "prophet" whom God had decided not to miraculously make literate.

Southern Baptists don't recognize each other at the adult bookstore or liquor shop.
-- are full of hypocrites. Which we know, because they're full of hypocritical Southern Baptists.

Would you care to check the stats on teen pregnancies in Freehold? I guarantee you'll find none. You will also likely find very few records of young women killed by avalanches of fist-sized stones in cornfields, though you will find that our locally-grown corn wins first place at the State Fair most every year!

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Default Re: Definitive proof of the Satanic nature of Harry Potter - 04-10-2007, 06:29 AM

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All this proves is that states with lots of False Christians, like those hypocritical Southern Baptists --

-- are full of hypocrites. Which we know, because they're full of hypocritical Southern Baptists.

Would you care to check the stats on teen pregnancies in Freehold? I guarantee you'll find none. You will also likely find very few records of young women killed by avalanches of fist-sized stones in cornfields, though you will find that our locally-grown corn wins first place at the State Fair most every year!

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I will grant you that the stats for Iowa are not so bad... I don't have access, as I think you well know, to stats broken down below state level. I'm not even sure if any exist, or are made public even if they do.

I will also grant you points for rapid retrenchment. This is one of your earlier statements:

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They know, deep down, that morals can only come from God. That's why there is less crime in Christian nations, like the US and Western Europe. It's also why there's less crime, lower rates of teen pregnancy, and fewer STDs and divorces, among other results of sinful life, in the more "conservative" parts of the United States . . . that is, those dominated by nearly-True Christians!

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It seems that we have gone rapidly from the vast tracts of the "more conservative parts" of the United States and places dominated by "nearly-True Christians", to focus instead on one very small area -- freehold -- and an area dominated by Very True Christians rather than "nearly-true chrisitans", who turn out not be blessed after all.

Take ten out of ten for full speed -- but quite brazen -- back-pedalling.

Since the daughters of True Christians™ in Freehold are all constrained to wear chastity belts and are kept under 24 hour surveilance from the age of 6 until they are married, I daresay the incidence of teen-pregnancy in Freehold would be quite low.

As far as young women being killed by fist-sized avalanches of stones, I would have suspected an event of that nature to be more common in Freehold than in most other places, although I was imagining it happening after they had been taken to the gates of the city rather than in a cornfield.

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You grossly underrate the intelligence and common-sense of the sociologists and others who do the research. It's important that anonymity is maintained when doing surveys like this. Each prisoner would, say, be brought into an interview room where they would be given a spiel about not putting anything on the form they are going to be given that would identify them. Then they go behind a screen, pick up a form from a pile there -- they choose the form, but they all will be identical anyway without numbers or individual references -- fill it in, fold it up, and put it in large box with all he others. No one, not even the researches, can identify the individual the form is filled in by.

Making sure that no one will either gain an advantage from or be disadvantaged by the answers they give is an important part of any survey design.
Yes, but the designers of these surveys fail to appreciate the full twistedness of the atheist mind - or, more likely, they're in cahoots with the Godless mafia themselves. To an immoral atheist, making Christians look bad is an advantage, and one that can easily be gained by pretending to be a Christian on the prison surveys.


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Default Re: Definitive proof of the Satanic nature of Harry Potter - 04-28-2007, 07:01 AM

Meanwhile, check out the repulsive Potter Puppet Pals, if you really need proof that Harry Potter is evil and disgusting!
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