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Default Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God? - 10-24-2009, 12:41 AM

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Hey they brother! Fellow Catholic here, I have gone through the same attempts at arguing with these people as you have, it's always great to see another REAL Christian in here. But I was a bit disturbed by this comment to say the least.

Nobody in Landover will end up in Purgatory! The teaching of our Church is quite clear - only Catholics can be saved, and everyone in Purgatory will eventually get out. All non-Catholics, including Protestant so-called Christians (they are not really Christian) are going straight to hell. Of course, I will be laughing as God All-Mighty tortures those heathens forever

Christians will end up where ?
And the catlick butt pirates will be where ?

Get serious Jesus does not love homer catliks its off to hell for ya.
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I won't pretend like I know anything about the bible, but I must say this post of Levi really confuses me. Why would things be left out of a book you all claim to live word by word? What if important things were left out? Would that not make your christianity "faulty" and wanting!?
Do you really need to know every single thing our LORD did? Of course not!
Do we need to know every time our LORD went to the privy room? Maybe they should have written down his conversations about the weather with his Apostles.


Besides, John the Greek, wrote his Gospel nearly a century after our LORD ascended to heaven. While it has the most beautiful prose of all the Gospels, it too, was not a firsthand account. Though, there can be no doubt it is Holy inspired truth!


Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.



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Default Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God? - 10-24-2009, 02:09 AM

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Is Faith what these sinners are missing ?
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Default Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God? - 10-24-2009, 02:28 AM

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Brother Levi.

Is Faith what these sinners are missing ?
Naturally, Sister Lola. They just need faith in the Holy KJV1611. Then, and only then, can the Holy Spirit can truly enter them and wash them clean as the white white snow. Praise Jesus!

After that, they must immediately get into a congregation of fellow True Christians™ and set up a tithing plan as our Lord commands us to.

You aren't going to deny Jesus his cut, Ms. Lola.


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Default Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God? - 10-24-2009, 02:32 AM

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I assume nothing. It is an established fact.
Yet, you sadly offer no evidence. Zero. I would have right to declare your argument crushed underfoot right here, right now. As you have nothing to offer but your own false presumptions. Do not waste my time.

Nowhere does the Bible claim that it is the only Word of God. It is an unbiblical creation of Martin Luther.

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You know people living from the time of Christ? You are honestly asserting that my LORD would allow his inerrant Word to man to be flawed? That's your excuse
I define the "innerant Word" to include the teachings of the Church. When it is all put together, it is inerrant. But just as you cannot have a religion based solely off the Gospel of John, you cannot have a "true Christian" religion without the teachings of the Church. Otherwise, you deny half of God's word.

If you continue to fail to offer any evidence whatsoever, yet you still rise up here to "debate" you are simply making a fool of yourself.

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What is your point? It was written down in another book of the Bible. A few pages back, you were arguing that we don't follow all the Bible i.e. the deuterocanon. Now you think we should be limited to the Gospels? What kind of self contradictory whack job are you?
Did you actually read my whole post?

The point, friend, is that not one of these writers saw that they must include everything saying of Christ in their writings. And the reason is that these teachings were primarily passed on by ORAL. SPOKEN. WORD.

The Bible does not teach sola scriptura. You have yet to even try to defend it. Because you know that it is not taught by scripture. And the sooner you admit that, the sooner we can move on

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This is the most idiotic point you have brought up yet. Luke learned the saying directly from one of the Apostles. Early Christians could have just gone and seen the Apostles or spoken to someone who just did.
I would just like to quote you again because you support so beautifully the idea of Sacred Tradition

"Early Christians could have just gone and seen the Apostles or spoken to someone who just did" -Levi Jones, Biblical Imbecile.

That's exactly what the early Christians would have done. Sought out the spoken word of those entrusted with His Word, such as the Apostles or their early successors. They would not have picked up their KJVs and tried to personally interpret scripture. Neither would the apostles or their early successors. It was all Oral Tradition.

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Besides, who is God going to speak to in this day and age? Little Adolph Benedict on his gilded throne? Last time he spoke through a simple carpenter.
God's commandments are also in the Doctrines and Dogmas of the Catholic Church.

Acts 15:28 - Apostles speak with the voice of the Holy Spirit
1 Timothy 3:15 - Church is called the "pillar and foundation of truth"


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It clearly says to not be blown by the wind of doctrine lest they become fooled by devious men (like the pope.) It's clearly says to stick with what they had been taught. I see your reading comprehension skills are as poor as your debating skills.
Stick with what they had been taught????

Do you need me to read it to you?

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be nomore children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; (Ephesians 4:11-14)

This clearly says that Jesus "GAVE" us "apostles... prophets... teachers" etc. "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ"... "[SO] THAT we will no longer be children, tossed to and fro" and etc.

Note: He did not give us any written Word, but Apostles and teachers to SPEAK the Word to us. That is the single meaning behind this verse.

I have simply used the quote itself to refute your pathetic argument.

The sooner you admit this, the sooner we can move on.

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As soon as you come up with some REAL defense of Sola Scriptura, then we'll talk. Don't post until then please.
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Default Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God? - 10-24-2009, 02:32 AM

Amen
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Yet, you sadly offer no evidence. Zero. I would have right to declare your argument crushed underfoot right here, right now. As you have nothing to offer but your own false presumptions. Do not waste my time.
My own presumptions? Only the ones backed up by the greatest thinkers of the Renaissance. The first people to break free from the catlick imposed Dark Ages.

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Nowhere does the Bible claim that it is the only Word of God. It is an unbiblical creation of Martin Luther.
You claim this, yet you still can't find any credibility for the authority of your Little Adolph Benedict. There is none. You can't even defend that point without launching into a non sequitur tirade on Luther or sola scriptura.

You can't defend the fact that your leaders insist on traditions that fly in the face of Scripture!

We don't need anymore kicking and screaming rants from you. You have done nothing but pout and whine throughout this entire thing.

Just answer the question, papist scum.

When the papists start ordaining female and homosexual priests, will you still follow them?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Christians will end up where ?
And the catlick butt pirates will be where ?

Get serious Jesus does not love homer catliks its off to hell for ya.
Haha, Protestants are not Christians. You are all children of the devil, and yes, you will be going to hell along with the five billion other non-Catholics, and a large percentage of fallen Catholics who die with unconfessed mortal sins! GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!


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My own presumptions? Only the ones backed up by the greatest thinkers of the Renaissance.
Oh goody. So we get your presumptions, along with the presumptions of some of the most confused people in history? Why can't you offer some facts? Hint: They don't exist!!

Allow me to show you some of the reasoning behind one of your great "thinkers":

"You tell me what a great fuss the Papists are making because the word 'alone' does not appear in the text of Paul. If your Papist makes such an unnecesary row about the word 'alone', say right out to him: "Dr. Martin Luther will have it so", and say: 'Papists and asses are one in the same thing.' I will have it so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the word 'alone' is not in the Latin or Greek text, it was not necessary for the Papists to teach me that." - Martin Luther

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You claim this, yet you still can't find any credibility for the authority of your Little Adolph Benedict. There is none. You can't even defend that point without launching into a non sequitur tirade on Luther or sola scriptura.
I have in fact, already answered this question. However, my post was infracted and deleted.

Just for you, Levi, I will attempt to explain this again. However, should this post be edited I will assume this as a failure on the part of your landover theology to rebuke the claim.

The first thing we must recognize is that Scripture alone is paradoxical. Scripture itself cannot claim that is the Word of God.

For instance, if Scripture is all we have, then we must rely on its own opinion that it is the Word of God. Furthermore, if we rely on Scripture alone, there is no way of knowing what is indeed the Word of God, as there is no “Inspired Table of Contents”. Thus, if you dug up this manuscript saying:

“This is the Holy Word of God. You must do as this says, because it is the Word of God. You know that this is the Word of God, because you are supposed to believe what the Word of God says, this is the Word of God, and I am telling you that I am the Word of God, and because you are supposed to do what the Word of God says, you must do as I say, because this is the Word of God and believe that I am the Word of God, because that is what I, the Word of God, has just told you that I am.” (Paradox of Sola Scriptura 1:1)

That is what you claim Scripture tells you. That it is the Word of God, so you must do what it says. Factually, paradoxically, logically and biblically this is errant. There must be something outside of Scripture to tell you that it the Word of God. There must be an equally inspired Word of God to tell you that the Bible is the Word, otherwise you have developed an unbelievable paradox. You need the spoken Oral Tradition, an equally inspired Word of God, passed on by the Apostles to declare that this is the Word of God. You need a Church, established by Christ to infallibly declare that this is the Word of God. There is only one Church that fits all the criteria of Christ’s Church listed in the Bible, the Roman Catholic Church.

As Bobby_Joe said, it is an act of faith. It is the foundation for our religion. There is nothing else that stands to this day that could bear the claim that, "We were there when Scripture was compiled" or in fact, "We compiled it".

The early Church was not thinking about establishing a bible. Furthermore, they could not gather publicly as they would all be killed by the Romans. So they had all these writings floating around including many genuine Christian writings but also forgeries preaching gnostic ideas. So when the Roman Persecutions ended, the Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church. It is by their stamp of authority that you know the table of contents of your NT and by NONE OTHER. Their canon is the official Word of God, determining alone what books are to be included in the Bible.

Oral Tradition and Sacred Scripture are like two legs supporting the same body. They do not contradict each other. However, they are not completely identical either, each legs bears a few freckles that vary from the other, and are both necessary for the Church to stand. One cannot exist without the other. They work together to establish the One True Church.

For example, here is the Scripture supporting the infallibility of the Church:

Matthew 28:20 - Jesus tells them: I am with you always
Luke 10:16 - speaks with Christ's own voice
John 14:26 - Holy Spirit is to teach and remind them of everything
John 16:13 - guided by the Holy Spirit into all Truth
Acts 15:28 - Apostles speak with the voice of the Holy Spirit
1 Timothy 3:15 - Church is called the "pillar and foundation of truth"
1 John 2:27 - anointing of the Holy Spirit remains in you

And here, the Church supporting Sacred Scripture:

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111 But since Sacred Scripture is inspired...
CC 124 "The Word of God, which is the power of God for salvation to everyone who has faith, is set forth and displays its power in a most wonderful way in the writings of the New Testament" which hand on the ultimate truth of God's Revelation.

Thus the paradox of Sola Scriptura is removed.

Believe for a moment, that the Catholic Church and the Priests are indeed the successors of the Apostles. Would not their authority be the one to trust?

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No doctrine of faith contradicts Scripture, they work together.

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Just answer the question, papist scum.

When the papists start ordaining female and homosexual priests, will you still follow them?

A simple yes or no will suffice.
No to ordaining female ministers. But their are clearly already homosexual priests. However, the ones that live in chastity are still recognized respectable priests.
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The first thing we must recognize is that Scripture alone is paradoxical. Scripture itself cannot claim that is the Word of God.

For instance, if Scripture is all we have, then we must rely on its own opinion that it is the Word of God. Furthermore, if we rely on Scripture alone, there is no way of knowing what is indeed the Word of God, as there is no “Inspired Table of Contents”. Thus, if you dug up this manuscript saying:

“This is the Holy Word of God. You must do as this says, because it is the Word of God. You know that this is the Word of God, because you are supposed to believe what the Word of God says, this is the Word of God, and I am telling you that I am the Word of God, and because you are supposed to do what the Word of God says, you must do as I say, because this is the Word of God and believe that I am the Word of God, because that is what I, the Word of God, has just told you that I am.” (Paradox of Sola Scriptura 1:1)

That is what you claim Scripture tells you. That it is the Word of God, so you must do what it says. Factually, paradoxically, logically and biblically this is errant. There must be something outside of Scripture to tell you that it the Word of God. There must be an equally inspired Word of God to tell you that the Bible is the Word, otherwise you have developed an unbelievable paradox. You need the spoken Oral Tradition, an equally inspired Word of God, passed on by the Apostles to declare that this is the Word of God. You need a Church, established by Christ to infallibly declare that this is the Word of God. There is only one Church that fits all the criteria of Christ’s Church listed in the Bible, the Roman Catholic Church.
Your solution solves nothing. You've mentioned before that there must be another source that says the Bible is the Word of God. But, I told you that there is no higher authority than the Bible so it doesn't need another source. Scripture must say it itself is the Word of God, because is there anything higher and more authoritative than the Word of God?

Also, let's assume that there was another source that claimed the Bible is true. What is your criteria for such source? Landover Baptist Church says the Bible is true. But you disregard our testimony.

So, let's say we found some "Table of Contents" like you said. The problem is, this brings up another paradox. A person can ask "How do we know the Table of Contents is true?" Wouldn't this Table of Contents require an outside source to back it up? Even if such Table of Contents existed, wouldn't it undergo the same skeptical scrutiny that the Bible endures?

So then, let's say we have an outside source that attests to this Table of Contents which attests to the reality of the Bible. Then this outside source can also be viewed with the same skepticism you gave the Bible and the Table of Contents.

And so on, and so on, and so on...

Your Table of Contents argument is a phantom. It solves nothing and is needless.



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Nowhere does the Bible claim that it is the only Word of God. It is an unbiblical creation of Martin Luther.[...]
I am ashamed to be in the presence of such a liar and ignoramous.

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In order to demonstrate the antiquity of the Divine Right of Kings, we will examine the early 13th century writings of Bracton. These writings were well known to King James, his predecessors, and his contemporaries. Bracton's most famous work is, "De Legibus Et Consuetudinibus Angliæ" or, "On the Laws and Customs of England" . Though this work is attributed to Bracton it is believed that other persons also contributed to it. Legibus is an ambitious work which attempts to describe the whole of English law and is described by F.W. Maitland as "the crown and flower of English jurisprudence."

Concerning the God-given, exalted status of the king, it says this--

The king has no equal within his realm, nor a fortiori a superior,because he would then be subject to those subjected to him. The king must not be under man but under God and under the law, because law makes the king,for there is no rex (King) where will rules rather than lex (law). Since he is the vicar of God, there ought to be no one in his kingdom who surpasses him in the doing of justice, but he ought to be the last, or almost so, to receive it, when he is plaintiff. If it is asked of him, since no writ runs against him there will [only] be opportunity for a petition, that he correct and amend his act; if he does not, it is punishment enough for him that he await God's vengeance. No one may presume to question his acts, much less contravene them.
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No to ordaining female ministers. But their are clearly already homosexual priests. However, the ones that live in chastity are still recognized respectable priests.
Why no to female ministers ?

The pope is the ultimate authority, right?

You already are in disobedience to the Word with prayer to saints and Mary, calling priests father, infant baptism and etc. Now add Matthew 5:28-30 for ordaining homosexual priests, even if they aren't practicing homers.

Why wouldn't you follow your cult still if the pope says it's okay to ordain women? It's not Scripturally correct?


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Your solution solves nothing. You've mentioned before that there must be another source that says the Bible is the Word of God. But, I told you that there is no higher authority than the Bible so it doesn't need another source. Scripture must say it itself is the Word of God, because is there anything higher and more authoritative than the Word of God?
No. There is absolutely nothing more authoritative than the Word of God.

However, you act under the false, illogical, paradoxical, and unbilblical idea the Bible is the only Word of God. You have yet to offer any facts to support this man-fabricated idea.

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Also, let's assume that there was another source that claimed the Bible is true. What is your criteria for such source? Landover Baptist Church says the Bible is true. But you disregard our testimony.
Your Church does not fit the requirements established in Scripture as Chirst's One Church.

YOU have no authority to declare the Bible as the Word of God, as you have no connection to the Apostles, who first orally proclaimed the Word. Your landover opinion is simply that, an opinion.

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So, let's say we found some "Table of Contents" like you said. The problem is, this brings up another paradox. A person can ask "How do we know the Table of Contents is true?" Wouldn't this Table of Contents require an outside source to back it up? Even if such Table of Contents existed, wouldn't it undergo the same skeptical scrutiny that the Bible endures?
The table of contents exists in the form of the official canon established by the Catholic Church, which is equally authoritatively the Word of God. It is the Word of God because of the Apostolic Succession back to Jesus Christ. And Jesus Christ of course spoke the Word as He fullfilled the prophesies and performed signs. This Word was passed on orally to the apostles, who in turn passed it on orally to their successors, who in turn, used this Oral Tradition to establish what books were to be considered canonical. Their authority to do so is merited directly from the apostles and in turn from Jesus Christ. It is only in this way that the paradox can be removed. For unless you had an equal authority to the written word, then you have nothing to determine what belongs in the written word.

By your logic, as the bible claims to be the word of God, so does the Paradox of Sola Scriptura and thus must be included within the Scriptures. Without an authority outside the Bible, you have no way to decide if the PSS (Paradox of Sola Scirptura) is indeed the Word of God.

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So then, let's say we have an outside source that attests to this Table of Contents which attests to the reality of the Bible. Then this outside source can also be viewed with the same skepticism you gave the Bible and the Table of Contents.
Of course this would be true, except that the outside source bears its roots within the 12 apostles which in turn were sent by Jesus Christ, the living Word. Thus if a=b and b=c then a=c. If what Jesus taught was the Word, He taught that to His apostles, who taught it to their successors, then the successors of the apostles bear the same word that Jesus did.

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Have you never heard of The Divine Right of Kings?If through King James, the Bible were published [as it was] then it is The True Word of God!
What about the Kings that went on the Crusades? They supported the Catholic Church with their lives.

You simply cannot follow this rule alone, or else you have contradictions at every turn.

Jesus is my King. Not King James.

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Why no to female ministers ?

The pope is the ultimate authority, right?

Why wouldn't you follow your cult still if the pope says it's okay to ordain women? It's not Scripturally correct?
I can say confidently that the Papacy will never allow the ordination women. That is why I am able to answer "no".

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If the next landover that posts here cannot offer a biblical or logical support for Sola Scriptura you convict it yourself of it's lies. If there is a truth in it, speak it now. If not, then admit it, so we can move on.
It has already been spoken, repeatedly.

So now that is version, early church history, sola scriptura, pedophilia, teachings that don't follow the word, papal infallibility, authority of rome and so much more to add to your ownage list.

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Sacred Heart, the church described in the Bible is NOT the Catholic church:

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[...] What about the Kings that went on the Crusades? They supported the Catholic Church with their lives.
Yes and they went off to kill muslims by the thousand, men women and children. It was a good time for Jesus then, people listened to Him.

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Oh ye of little faith. The difficulties are in your weak female intellect.

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So let me get this right; you are denying that the Word of God was given by God to King James, whom He appointed?

It is broadly accepted that this is the truth of the matter, as God had been angered by the way the church of Rome had traduced His Holy Word and would have forced upon the world the folk-tales contained in the Apocrypha.


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"The Holy Bible, KJV1611, was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy.”(i.e. anything but scripture is not trustworthy.)


Joh:1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

(God spoke through The Prophets)

Habakkuk 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
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Jeremiah 36:2 Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day.
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John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
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It has already been spoken, repeatedly.

So now that is version, early church history, sola scriptura, pedophilia, teachings that don't follow the word, papal infallibility, authority of rome and so much more to add to your ownage list.

You have really earned your medal, since you continue to come back here.
You continue to whine about how you have already refuted my points when in fact they stand untouched by your hand. And all you bring to the table you childish rants about how you already "won".

If my points have already been refuted then why not simply post the comments that have left them so? As I have already dealt with every word from your tongue. I bid you hold it, and let the more knowledgeable take up your fight.

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Sacred Heart, the church described in the Bible is NOT the Catholic church:

http://members.shaw.ca/alyzza/Phelps...nthechurch.pdf
Sadly this site offers no Biblical requirements for the Church, which is what I have presented and yet remain undisputed.

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Oh ye of little faith. The difficulties are in your weak female intellect.[/QUOTE]
It would seem your "masculine" intellect is at a loss for the logic behind any such paradoxical reasoning in Sola Scriptura, along with that of all your brothers.

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So let me get this right; you are denying that the Word of God was given by God to King James, whom He appointed?
The Divine Right of Kings is but another idea conceived around the time of the reformation. It was not thought of until the 16th century. Are you going to stand there and tell me that your entire religion, "originating" at John the Baptist, was yet built upon such ideas as Sola Scriptura and the Divine Right of Kings which were not conceived until 1500 years after his death? Can be any more brainless?

Furthermore, I would like to introduce you a King that would have some words to disagree with you: King St. Louis IX

And you ought especially to be resolved not to commit mortal sin, no matter what may happen and should permit all your limbs to be hewn off, and suffer every manner of torment, rather than fall knowingly into mortal sin.

I advise you that you accustom yourself to frequent confession, and that you choose always, as your confessors, men who are upright and sufficiently learned, and who can teach you what you should do and what you should avoid. You should so carry yourself that your confessors and other friends may dare confidently to reprove you and show you your faults.

Dear son, I advise you that you listen willingly and devoutly the services of Holy Church, and, when you are in church, avoid to frivolity and trifling, and do not look here and there; but pray to God with lips and heart alike, while entertaining sweet thoughts about Him, and especially at the mass, when the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ are consecrated, and for a little time before.

Dear son, I advise you always to be devoted to the Church of Rome, and to the sovereign pontiff, our father, and to bear him the the reverence and honor which you owe to your spiritual father.


Source: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/stlouis1.html

Now tell me, how do I know to which King I own my allegiance?

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Joh:1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In the beginning, there was naught but the Word. And the Word was spoken. Oral Tradition.

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(The Bible is God’s Word. All else is of Man.


This verse shows what Scripture is profitable for. It in fact only refers to the OT which Timothy "from infancy has known".

In no way does this verse exclude the possibility of another form of God's Word (Sacred Tradition)

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No arguing with you here.

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Habakkuk 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
(God told the prophet what to write.)
He sure did. That's why we have the OT!!

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Jeremiah 36:2 Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day.
(God told the prophet what to write.)
He sure did.

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John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
(Jesus authenticated the Bible - He did not authenticate the scribblings for political and economic benefit of the minions of the Mother of Whoredoms)
This is merely Jesus authenticating Himself through the Scriptures. And the OT at that.

Not one of these verses leads to a biblical claim of Sola Scriptura as you would like them to say.

And even should they have said so, you have yet to refute the PSS (Paradox of Sola Scriptura) or establish how you know what books are to be inspired scripture.

And factually you cannot, you need the Sacred Tradition of the Church.

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[...]The Divine Right of Kings is but another idea conceived around the time of the reformation. It was not thought of until the 16th century.
Or as we say, “In good time for the publication of KJV1611."
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Furthermore, I would like to introduce you a King that would have some words to disagree with you: King St. Louis IX
French and a Catlik, anything he said was lies. Just a snippet from his history,
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Thus, in order to fulfill his duty, he conducted two crusades, and even though they were unsuccessful,
He clearly did not have God on his side otherwise he would have won! God doesn’t lose wars.
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Now tell me, how do I know to which King I own my allegiance?
The King of Kings I hope! If He is the King of Kings then all the other Kings must be there at His bidding and whim! They are by God Appointed.
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In the beginning, there was naught but the Word. And the Word was spoken. Oral Tradition.
and then it was written down in The Bible KJV1611.
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2nd Timothy 3:16
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This verse shows what Scripture is profitable for. It in fact only refers to the OT which Timothy "from infancy has known".

In no way does this verse exclude the possibility of another form of God's Word (Sacred Tradition)
…and it was all written down
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…and it was all written down
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No arguing with you here.
…and it was all written down
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Habakkuk 2:2 He sure did. That's why we have the OT!!
…and it was all written down
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Jeremiah 36:2 He sure did.
…and it was all written down
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John 5:39 This is merely Jesus authenticating Himself through the Scriptures. And the OT at that.
…and it was all written down.
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Not one of these verses leads to a biblical claim of Sola Scriptura as you would like them to say.
Hello, they were all written down. They were written so no man could make them up. They were written down so that the anti-christ on the 7 hills would not be able to alter them or add or subtract. But you know what? He did.

Your soul has the claws of the beast of Revelations deep inside it. God from Genesis onwards warns man that women are fickle, light-headed, easily lead, and to be subjected to man’s wisdom. His wisdom is Great and Final.


But… but… you disagree… and in disagreeing you make God’s point for Him.





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Sadly this site offers no Biblical requirements for the Church, which is what I have presented and yet remain undisputed.
Egads, you are retarded You really earned that award of yours.

You want Biblical requirements of the Church?

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Chew on this, silly Pagan,

Revelation 22: 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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