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Why all the hate? -
10-06-2017, 08:27 PM
I would just like to know why there’s so much hate on this site. I’m a member of the LDS church and I’ve been told all my life that God loves all men. I just don’t understand why you guys think that gay people deserve to die. Did God not give us free will? If they are gay then they’ll burn in hell for it, so why is there the need to go out and hold rallies just to show how sinful they are? Shouldn’t we accept all people no matter who they are? Jesus could see the good in any man and treated all men equal...should we not do the same?
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-06-2017, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Force=ma
I would just like to know why there’s so much hate on this site. I’m a member of the LDS church and I’ve been told all my life that God loves all men. I just don’t understand why you guys think that gay people deserve to die. Did God not give us free will? If they are gay then they’ll burn in hell for it, so why is there the need to go out and hold rallies just to show how sinful they are? Shouldn’t we accept all people no matter who they are? Jesus could see the good in any man and treated all men equal...should we not do the same?
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Why you poor, misled soul! No wonder you're confused! You've been taught to believe the assurances of man while never considering the actual Word of God Almighty Himself. "God loves everyone" is the greatest lie ever told! Why, you might as well say "God Is Imaginary, just do Nice Things and treat your fellow man with courtesy and respect!" As nice a sentiment as you may think that is, it certainly isn't in line with God's Opinion: And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you:
for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
Leviticus 20:23
And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images,
and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols,
and my soul shall abhor you.
Leviticus 26:30
And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them,
because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
Deuteronomy 32:19
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 5:5
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing:
the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
Psalm 5:6
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous,
whom the LORD abhorreth.
Psalm 10:3
The LORD trieth the righteous:
but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 11:5
There were they in great fear, where no fear was:
for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee:
thou hast put them to shame,
because God hath despised them.
Psalm 53:5
When God heard this, he was wroth,
and greatly abhorred Israel:
Psalm 78:59
Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people,
insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.
Psalm 106:40
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Proverbs 6:16-19
The mouth of strange women is a deep pit:
he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein.
Proverbs 22:14
And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden:
he hath destroyed his places of the assembly:
the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion,
and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.
Lamentations 2:6-7
All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them:
for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house,
I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Hosea 9:15
Three shepherds also I cut off in one month;
and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.
Zechariah 11:8
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Malachi 1:3
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Romans 9:13
Still think God loves everyone?
God has compassion on those whom He will have compassion (Romans 9:15), and loves those who do His bidding (John 15:10). The Holy Bible says nothing about loving everyone (go ahead and look for yourself if you don't believe me), or that man can lead a sinful life, violate the commandments of God daily, not fear Him and still go to Heaven so long as he holds affection for Jesus in his heart (Matthew 5:17; James 2:10). No. The Word is quite clear. Don't be mad at the messenger if you don't care for the message.
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-06-2017, 10:03 PM
Well...
Perhaps I confuse God with The Lord Jesus. After all, where I come from, Jesus loves all men, regardless of race, religion, gender, or sexuallity.
God wants us not to fear Him, but to love Him. We are all His children. God loves everyone. If you want to live your life full of hatered and intolerance, then go ahead. But, when your time comes, I urge you to take The Lord Jesus’ hand and step truly into the light.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-06-2017, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Force=ma
Well...
Perhaps I confuse God with The Lord Jesus. After all, where I come from, Jesus loves all men, regardless of race, religion, gender, or sexuallity.
God wants us not to fear Him, but to love Him. We are all His children. God loves everyone. If you want to live your life full of hatered and intolerance, then go ahead. But, when your time comes, I urge you to take The Lord Jesus’ hand and step truly into the light.
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You literally ignored all the examples I shared with you of Jesus professing His hatred towards individuals and people who behave in certain ways. I daresay, your faith must be terribly fragile to completely ignore the Word of God where it refuses to conform with your own moral code. What's more important to you - following the Word of God or following your own conscience?
For others reading, I'll answer in more detail.
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God wants us not to fear Him
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Except for when He wants us to fear Him: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Jude 1:23 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Read the second half of the 28th chapter of Deuteronomy to see a list of threats the LORD promises to hurl at those who do not keep His commandments.
Love is Obedience in Jesus' Love Language. And those who are not obedient are not going to be called to live with Him for eternity. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14:23
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
John 8:51
That's rather horrifying! You see, Jesus promises that those whose names are not written in the Book of Life will experience an eternity of torture and horror (Matthew 13:41-42; Revelation 20:15). What kind of parent would do that to their child?
No, Christ assures us the only way to become children of God is to be Born Again in faith (John 3:3), not simply to exist.
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If you want to live your life full of hatered and intolerance, then go ahead.
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Thank you for your approval? But you see, this is precisely what the Lord thy God wants. It is what He commands of us. And because we don't want to suffer for eternity, we are happy to comply. The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.
Deuteronomy 17:7
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Matthew 7:6
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-06-2017, 11:13 PM
Well. As I mentioned in my original post, I am LDS. (Mormon) Where I come from, everyone is loved by God equally. We take The Bible less literally. There are parts that are meant to be taken with a grain of salt. My God loves you, me, whites, blacks, homosexuals, terrorists, etc. equally. We need not fear Him where I’m from. To get to Heaven, we need only to love God and His children.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-06-2017, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Force=ma
Well. As I mentioned in my original post, I am LDS. (Mormon) Where I come from, everyone is loved by God equally. We take The Bible less literally. There are parts that are meant to be taken with a grain of salt. My God loves you, me, whites, blacks, homosexuals, terrorists, etc. equally. We need not fear Him where I’m from. To get to Heaven, we need only to love God and His children.
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You come here wondering why we don't change our minds, and yet you declare you are unwilling to consider anything that even might warrant changing yours, including Holy Scripture! And you accuse us of hypocrisy!
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-06-2017, 11:32 PM
I never said anything about not changing my mind. I am a completly open man. I am willing to accept any religion should I be given proof. If you can get Muhammed to speak to me, then I’ll be Islamic. If you get God to tell me to take the entire Bible literally, then I’ll do so. If someone, someday convinces me that God isn’t real, then I shall be Atheist. I will be whoever God wants me to be.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-07-2017, 12:38 AM
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I never said anything about not changing my mind. I am a completly open man. I am willing to accept any religion should I be given proof. If you can get Muhammed to speak to me, then I’ll be Islamic. If you get God to tell me to take the entire Bible literally, then I’ll do so. If someone, someday convinces me that God isn’t real, then I shall be Atheist. I will be whoever God wants me to be.
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Welcome friend, you had a female straighten you out yet you continue to whine like a five year old girl (no offense, but my five year old girl read your posts and said that is what you reminded her of).
God had the Holy Bible written for the simplest of minds. Why can't you get that?
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-07-2017, 12:58 AM
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Welcome friend, you had a female straighten you out yet you continue to whine like a five year old girl (no offense, but my five year old girl read your posts and said that is what you reminded her of).
God had the Holy Bible written for the simplest of minds. Why can't you get that?
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I’m confused as to when exactly I “whined”
I asked a simple question:
Why do you hate people who do not share the same belifes as you?
I only find it strange that you condemn hate while most other relidions praise acceptance.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-07-2017, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Force=ma
Well. As I mentioned in my original post, I am LDS. (Mormon) Where I come from, everyone is loved by God equally. We take The Bible less literally. There are parts that are meant to be taken with a grain of salt. My God loves you, me, whites, blacks, homosexuals, terrorists, etc. equally. We need not fear Him where I’m from. To get to Heaven, we need only to love God and His children.
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You seem to be suggesting that "where you come from" God is different from other places. Are you also claiming that in other places God looks like a hideous goblin or a triple breasted floozy and wants people to prance around wearing horns to worship Him? The Bible presents a very different account of The Deity. What source are you using?
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God does NOT look like this......God PROHIBITS idols...Prancing UNACCEPTABLE
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-07-2017, 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Force=ma
I’m confused as to when exactly I “whined”
I asked a simple question:
Why do you hate people who do not share the same belifes as you?
I only find it strange that you condemn hate while most other relidions praise acceptance.
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Lady, you are confused.
We do not hate those people. God hates them. He says so in the Bible. We are trying to rebuke them so they can enter Heaven. That is our mission.
But God hates them, and there is not much we can do about it.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-07-2017, 06:12 AM
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I’m a member of the LDS church
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I mistakenly read this as the LSD church and I was about to say, groovy baby! But now that I see your a mormon, tell me, do you really go around in those square outfits, with pocket protectors and extra starched shirts?
Anyway, besides my little inquiry, I will be the first to tell you if you've come to this site, or any church for that matter looking for love and acceptance, you're dully mistaken. I just may be the only one here who might try to love you.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-07-2017, 10:28 AM
Sister Mary, I would like to know more about Jesus' love language! Can you tell us more?
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-07-2017, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Force=ma
I’m confused as to when exactly I “whined”
I asked a simple question:
Why do you hate people who do not share the same belifes as you?
I only find it strange that you condemn hate while most other relidions praise acceptance.
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Your question was answered. Several times. You do not like the answer and want an answer that suits you. That is whining. Little babies do that at a store when they do not get the toy they want.
We do not hate, we are trying to save your worthless soul and enable it to have value. Friend, that is called love. I love you as only another man could.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-07-2017, 06:23 PM
My dear Mormon brother:
(Have you seen "The Book of Mormon," by the way? It's wonderful)
The great "I AM" gave us a book - a holy book - and it mentions none of the nonsense that "another testament of Jesus Christ" touts. The books of the King James Bible - a book with which I am so familiar I could call it St. Jim - tells us plainly: "6 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Therefore, you statement that the Bible is not to be taken literally is shut down. God just dropped the microphone and gave three snaps in your direction.
You mentioned rallies against homers. Perhaps you are confusing us with the liberal Westboro Baptist Church. They are known for their hate rallies, even against our brave military. We do no such ungodly things. In fact, I rally around every homosekshul I can find, willing to do what it takes to make him cry out to God on his knees. I enjoy bringing love to men deeply and with conviction.
We do not wish to argue with you. I can only say that if you stay with us long enough you will see the Christian life in everything we do here. Nothing more and nothing less. It brings us joy when people see the truth of Christianity and the effects it can have on one's life. Won't you join us on that journey?
Praying,
BrotherLarry
Proverbs 21:31 KJV 1611:
“The horse is prepared against the day of battell: but safetie is of the Lord.”
Lord, may I serve my equine brothers and sisters just as I do my fellow man. Amen and Amen
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-10-2017, 07:32 AM
I share similar beliefs to Force (?), that Jesus loves all, although this forum is showing me otherwise.
God Bless you and have a wonderful day!
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-10-2017, 03:40 PM
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I share similar beliefs to Force (?), that Jesus loves all, although this forum is showing me otherwise.
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No dear, this forum is showing you what the Holy Bible says about who Jesus loves [and who He doesn't]. You do believe the Holy Bible, don't you?
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-10-2017, 04:22 PM
I find it interesting that people 'think' that by God allowing us to live and have the slimmest of chances of going to Heaven, that is a show of Love. I feed my dogs not because I love them (who could possibly love a beast) but because if they die, all the time I spent training them to hunt game would be wasted.
God often feels the same about us. He gives us life and then the Bible to learn. Those that fail to learn the Bible have horrible deaths and spend eternity in Hell. The few fortunate to be in His Good Graces©, Die peacefully and dine at His Gracious Table® for all of eternity.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: Why all the hate? -
10-10-2017, 04:54 PM
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I share similar beliefs to Force (?), that Jesus loves all, although this forum is showing me otherwise.
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Well, please explain, how does it feel to have beliefs which stand in clear contradiction to what the Holy Bible says?
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10-11-2017, 02:37 AM
It's funny you should mention that! I've just spent a couple of hours reading up on Mark Bonocore (catholic) who was going off like one of those muslim clerics when challenged. It becomes very difficult to engage with a religion based on denial of The Ten Commandments.
I'm quite happy to accept that God may speak to individuals such as Pastors and that He could, if He desired, provide additional information for us. Catholic priests are not like that. What they "reveal" actually CONTRADICTS commandments; it does not AUGMENT them. Where is the "extra" information coming from? Before linking to Bonocore I would find out what he represented, hence my current indigestion due to have you ever burst out laughing while eating pain au chocolat?
Just wow! He waffles on about needing the social context for whatever is in The Bible so that we'll know what God meant. This calls for expertise, not just mere fluency, in ancient languages. Children are not noted for that. When Jesus was asked equivalent questions His answer explained how the mind set required thinking " as little children" for Salvation to be understood. The best way to understand what " Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of any thing" would be to ask a child. Not a pope. According to Jesus. Not me.
.enquirer Can I carve an image of a horse?
.. .child No, you can't carve an image of anything
.enquirer Can I carve an image of an elephant?
.. .child No, you can't carve an image of anything
.enquirer Can I carve an image of a dishwasher?
.. .child No, you can't carve an image of anything
.enquirer I know! I know!! Carve an image of a foreign idol which is not itself an idol!!!
.. .child No, you can't carve an image of anything
.enquirer But the social context of the time allowed idols
.. .child How did that work out for them?
.enquirer No, no, definitely it's OK to make carved images
.. .child You can't carve an image of anything
.enquirer A waxwork of Jesus with candles and bells but we're not worshipping it?
.. .child You can't make any image
.enquirer How about if I bow down and venerate it?
.. .child I'm starting to feel sick
At no time have the commandments been CONTRADICTED. How can they make sense of the world when they're being taught that words mean THE OPPOSITE of what they actually mean? Whether or not to bow down in front of a carved image or waxwork is not a question ever arising where The Truth prevails because there are no idolatrous images to start with. What happens to people who make them is outlined in The Bible. The Bible also prohibits bowing down to the things. Again the catholic lies. "Oh," some cardinal will announce, "When we bow down before them we're not worshipping!" and once again The Bible doesn't care what you CALL IT, it's the BOWING DOWN that's prohibited. Veneration, genuflecting, respect, just there to provide inspiration, all these words are meaningless. Performing ANY duty in front of ANY idol whether you call it an IDOL or not, whether you call it WORSHIP or not, all these are covered in The Bible by God who will CERTAINLY CAST all idolators into HELL just for MAKING ONE in the first place. A child .— .even a catholic child .— .will understand that straight away if allowed to see The Ten Commandments at all and can read. But that is not the answer you'd get from any priest. Therefore they are NOT following Jesus.
ZEPHANIAH 3 . KJV . look up
1a Woe to her that is filthy and polluted
1b To the oppressing city
2a She obeyed not the voice
2b She received not correction
2c She trusted not in the LORD
3a Her princes within her are roaring lions
3b Her judges are evening wolves
4a Her prophets are light and treacherous persons
4b Her priests have polluted the sanctuary
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