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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-06-2010, 02:08 PM

cool Ill get right to it then...

I did some research on the 'best bible' as you recommended and found too many flaws to the contrary of rational thinking....

'Since no two Greek or Hebrew manuscripts are exactly the same and none contain, in a single publicly accessible place, all the words of the original New Testament and only those words, KJV only advocates do not claim to have the perfect word of God in the original languages. Yet they claim they have it in English! How so? Ultimately it is by faith. By faith they ‘believe’ that God supernaturally guided the KJV translators to pick the right Greek and Hebrew words and translate them perfectly every single time, despite often having several options from which to choose.'

you do know that the original bible wasn't english right, and that language does change over the years and with further translation...

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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-06-2010, 02:29 PM

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cool Ill get right to it then...

I did some research on the 'best bible' as you recommended and found too many flaws to the contrary of rational thinking....

'Since no two Greek or Hebrew manuscripts are exactly the same and none contain, in a single publicly accessible place, all the words of the original New Testament and only those words, KJV only advocates do not claim to have the perfect word of God in the original languages. Yet they claim they have it in English! How so? Ultimately it is by faith. By faith they ‘believe’ that God supernaturally guided the KJV translators to pick the right Greek and Hebrew words and translate them perfectly every single time, despite often having several options from which to choose.'

you do know that the original bible wasn't english right, and that language does change over the years and with further translation...

thanks for the input missy
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Matthew 12:26 says with God all things are possible, but God can't lift the stone. You kind of defeated your own argument there.
ALL things are possible with God. That means God can create things even if He had NOTHING to do with them or NEVER EXISTED. That's how powerful God is!

Its only willful ignorance when Atheists refuse to see God when He is not there!



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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-06-2010, 02:48 PM

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This will answer your question.

ALL things are possible with God. That means God can create things even if He had NOTHING to do with them or NEVER EXISTED. That's how powerful God is!

Its only willful ignorance when Atheists refuse to see God when He is not there!

I see. Has god spoken to you though because im not athiest I just have alot of questions and that's just human nature. I will accept what sounds or seems logical based off this. Why is it that if one has questions they are shunned or looked negatively upon?

What if god commanded me to write a bible of his true words...

I think you would say I am crazy...

Why can god not be real now as a man?
jesus was a man why can he not come again.

What if a man thinks that he is godly when he is in fact the anti christ.... who would the anti-christ be?

What if all evil people wishing hate and death on people are the true end of days...

What if nuclear bombs end humanity before god can? this is highly likely as it is mainly man than causes the most deaths in this world.

How can you deny me the asking of such questions?

I say people are hell because Hitler and every other terrorist and genocide causer causes hell and this cannot be denied.

I believe in loving life and what happens now as if I only worry about what happens when I die then I will not truly live.

Im a nice person and I dont do things to denote burning in hell.

How is it that I do not have to conform in a particular religion but still love and believe in god and through that live as a good christian would?

You see it is not a religion that made me love god and be a good person but the belief in myself and that there is something bigger than me that I cannot begin to comprehend.

Thus I am sorry that I cannot agree with publishings of a book that may have been corrupted as I feel that the true god is in me and he is the one that directs me.

Thus you cannot claim I am atheist as I do believe in God but I will not believe in anything man made that tells me about him because if I connect fathom what he is or capable of how can any other man?
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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-06-2010, 07:15 PM

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cool Ill get right to it then...

I did some research on the 'best bible' as you recommended and found too many flaws to the contrary of rational thinking....

'Since no two Greek or Hebrew manuscripts are exactly the same and none contain, in a single publicly accessible place, all the words of the original New Testament and only those words, KJV only advocates do not claim to have the perfect word of God in the original languages. Yet they claim they have it in English! How so? Ultimately it is by faith. By faith they ‘believe’ that God supernaturally guided the KJV translators to pick the right Greek and Hebrew words and translate them perfectly every single time, despite often having several options from which to choose.'

you do know that the original bible wasn't english right, and that language does change over the years and with further translation...

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There are some early Greek and later English perversions of GOD's word, produced by those influenced by Satan but only the KJV 1611 is the inspired WORD of GOD.
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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-06-2010, 07:45 PM

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I see. Has god spoken to you though because im not athiest I just have alot of questions and that's just human nature. I will accept what sounds or seems logical based off this. Why is it that if one has questions they are shunned or looked negatively upon?

What if god commanded me to write a bible of his true words...

I think you would say I am crazy...
Of course He (always capitalize pronouns when referring to God Almighty) speaks to us. We are His Chosen™.

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Why can god not be real now as a man?
jesus was a man why can he not come again.
Because the Bible tells us He won't return as a man until the Rapture.

John 14:1-4: Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Acts 3:20-21: And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Hebrews 9:28: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

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What if a man thinks that he is godly when he is in fact the anti christ.... who would the anti-christ be?

What if all evil people wishing hate and death on people are the true end of days...
Matthew 24:4-5: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:23-24: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

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What if nuclear bombs end humanity before god can? this is highly likely as it is mainly man than causes the most deaths in this world.
Do you truly believe that the Almighty Creator will let that happen before it is time? He knows all and sees all.

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Im a nice person and I dont do things to denote burning in hell.
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John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mark 8:36-37: For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? 37Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?


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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 03:22 AM

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There are some early Greek and later English perversions of GOD's word, produced by those influenced by Satan but only the KJV 1611 is the inspired WORD of GOD.

Yes your stupidity is indeed overwhelming if you can claim that the first Bible ever created directed by God is in fact false and made by the devil.....

Are you truly blinded by logic and were you fed only the bible as a child.

Im afraid to see how twisted your off spring are.
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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 03:48 AM

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Yes your stupidity is indeed overwhelming if you can claim that the first Bible ever created directed by God is in fact false and made by the devil.....

Are you truly blinded by logic and were you fed only the bible as a child.

Im afraid to see how twisted your off spring are.
What is the first Bible ever created? So help me, if you say the Latin Vulgate, I'm going to rip your head off.


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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 09:11 PM

you know what i dont get? the hatred of gays. i mean god made them that way so we should love them just as we love the non-gay community.

same goes for muslims. maybe god needed to reintroduce his message of peace and holiness to the earth so he used mohammed. i mean jews dont believe that jesus was the savior but they arnt hating on us for it. You christians have gone too far i think. youve overstepped your boundries and are doing more harm to your souls with your internalized hatred of peace-loving peoples then those who accept those very same people for who they are. we are all human. we are all one of the same and arguing over the details of how to lead a good and moral life only drives us to pointless conflicts. i weep for you and for your ignorance.
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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 09:17 PM

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you know what i dont get? the hatred of gays. i mean god made them that way so we should love them just as we love the non-gay community.

same goes for muslims. maybe god needed to reintroduce his message of peace and holiness to the earth so he used mohammed. i mean jews dont believe that jesus was the savior but they arnt hating on us for it. You christians have gone too far i think. youve overstepped your boundries and are doing more harm to your souls with your internalized hatred of peace-loving peoples then those who accept those very same people for who they are. we are all human. we are all one of the same and arguing over the details of how to lead a good and moral life only drives us to pointless conflicts. i weep for you and for your ignorance.
And for the umpteenth millionth time, care to point out where we are scripturally incorrect? As for the muzzies, you should look into their beliefs as well rather than just guessing it's all fuzzy bunny hippie love.


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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 09:32 PM

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And for the umpteenth millionth time, care to point out where we are scripturally incorrect? As for the muzzies, you should look into their beliefs as well rather than just guessing it's all fuzzy bunny hippie love.
im not talking about reading the bible for a literal meaning because if we do that then wearing clothes of blended material and cutting your hair would be unthinkable for any catholic (Leviticus 19:19-27). What im talking about is reading for the true message and not getting caught up on the details. At the end of the day religion's petty rules and explanations of nature are out dated but what isnt out dated is the message that jesus and buddah and Mohammed and moses were all preaching: treat others as you would like to be treated.
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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 09:50 PM

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im not talking about reading the bible for a literal meaning because if we do that then wearing clothes of blended material and cutting your hair would be unthinkable for any catholic (Leviticus 19:19-27). What im talking about is reading for the true message and not getting caught up on the details. At the end of the day religion's petty rules and explanations of nature are out dated but what isnt out dated is the message that jesus and buddah and Mohammed and moses were all preaching: treat others as you would like to be treated.
You've never read a Bible in your life, have you. The messages of Jesus, buddah, mohammad and Moses were not the same.

Jesus ~ How to get into heaven
buddha ~ extinguish all desires
mohammad ~ kill the infidel
Moses ~ 300+ laws for Jews to follow

Just because you're too cheap or lazy to go out and buy 100% cotton clothing, does not mean that it isn't an abomination unto God. Do you really think God would give us a book full of rules and then say "don't worry about it"?

Either get right with God, read and follow the KJV Bible, or go back to your Mary worshiping ways and know that you are condemned to Hell.


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you know what i dont get? the hatred of gays. i mean god made them that way so we should love them just as we love the non-gay community.

same goes for muslims. maybe god needed to reintroduce his message of peace and holiness to the earth so he used mohammed. i mean jews dont believe that jesus was the savior but they arnt hating on us for it. You christians have gone too far i think. youve overstepped your boundries i weep for you and for your ignorance.
Are you speaking of jews that PUT JESUS ON THE CROSS?! How can a True christian ever believe that the Jewish have pure intentions if they don't believe that Jesus was our savior?! And what part of the bible speaks of mohammed being god's son? Jesus said that he would return during the rapture so It couldn't have been Jesus going by a differen't name, and by worshipping Mohammed's teachings muslims are committing sin against one of the few ten commandments god bestowed to our earth, though shall not praise another god. And how many times do we need to show you that gay's are a desecration upon the word of god that defy him in his glory by laying with men as men lay with wemon. It's right there!! You are full of deceptive sin boasted by satan's warped message of scientific logic!!!


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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 10:03 PM

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You've never read a Bible in your life, have you. The messages of Jesus, buddah, mohammad and Moses were not the same.

Jesus ~ How to get into heaven
buddha ~ extinguish all desires
mohammad ~ kill the infidel
Moses ~ 300+ laws for Jews to follow

Just because you're too cheap or lazy to go out and buy 100% cotton clothing, does not mean that it isn't an abomination unto God. Do you really think God would give us a book full of rules and then say "don't worry about it"?

Either get right with God, read and follow the KJV Bible, or go back to your Mary worshiping ways and know that you are condemned to Hell.
This is one of those cases where youre just not right and im sorry for that. Your xenophobia has biased you so strongly to your own ways that youre blind and helpless to escape the ideas of old. Empathy for other human beings is a skill, one that you clearly lack. Spirituality is natural to human nature, it is what sets us apart. But being so bigoted and stubborn only forces the whole of society backwards. You people are an obstacle in the way of paradise on earth. People don't go to hell for not believing what you believe, people go to hell for being short sighted, ignorant and unfairly aggressive. I suggest you actually pick up that dusty bible in the corner and read it for it true message.Matthew 7 v12
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This is one of those cases where youre just not right and im sorry for that.
You say that I am not right, but you do not explain what you claim to be right. How exactly am I wrong? Just because I disagree with you?

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Your xenophobia has biased you so strongly to your own ways that youre blind and helpless to escape the ideas of old. Empathy for other human beings is a skill, one that you clearly lack. Spirituality is natural to human nature, it is what sets us apart. But being so bigoted and stubborn only forces the whole of society backwards. You people are an obstacle in the way of paradise on earth. People don't go to hell for not believing what you believe, people go to hell for being short sighted, ignorant and unfairly aggressive. I suggest you actually pick up that dusty bible in the corner and read it for it true message.Matthew 7 v12
Ah, name calling and insults, the attack of the retard. As for Matthew 7:12 perhaps you should read that in context. Because I know darn well that if I was on the path to damnation I would want one of my Brothers or Sisters in Christ to correct me. After all, if Jesus is all hippie dippy love, why did he say this right after what you quoted
  • Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Then again, there's these other "loving" statements from Jesus
  • Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
  • Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
  • Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
  • Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
  • John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
  • John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
And those are Jesus' own words, I didn't include the rest of the stuff in the Bible about following wrong paths.


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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 10:24 PM

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You say that I am not right, but you do not explain what you claim to be right. How exactly am I wrong? Just because I disagree with you?



Ah, name calling and insults, the attack of the retard. As for Matthew 7:12 perhaps you should read that in context. Because I know darn well that if I was on the path to damnation I would want one of my Brothers or Sisters in Christ to correct me. After all, if Jesus is all hippie dippy love, why did he say this right after what you quoted
  • Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Then again, there's these other "loving" statements from Jesus
  • Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
  • Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
  • Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
  • Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
  • John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
  • John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
And those are Jesus' own words, I didn't include the rest of the stuff in the Bible about following wrong paths.
Please don't use the word retard to describe something you find stupid. Thanks!

And you act as if the king james bible is the end-all be-all of bibles. There are other equally valid versions. And have you never made your position extreme just so people will take you more seriously? i thought so.
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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 10:45 PM

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I suggest you actually pick up that dusty bible in the corner and read it for it true message.Matthew 7 v12
Thank you for bringing that up.

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

The law and prophets. Jesus is referring to the Old Testament.

Do to no one what you yourself dislike. Tobit 4:5


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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 10:59 PM

my god! are all of you so blind?? religion is not about being right or wrong or even if god exists or not, its about living life in a way that you can look back on and be happy with. If being a bigot helps you sleep at night, then so be it, but please dont try and convince the rest of us that are actually trying to make a godamn difference that we're going to hell.
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my god! are all of you so blind?? religion is not about being right or wrong or even if god exists or not, its about living life in a way that you can look back on and be happy with.

Scripture or it didn't happen.

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If being a bigot helps you sleep at night, then so be it, but please dont try and convince the rest of us that are actually trying to make a godamn difference that we're going to hell.
First of all, we are not bigoted at all.
Secondly, you showed up here or did you forget?
Thirdly, you have just earned an infraction for taking the LORD's name in vain.


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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 11:13 PM

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Scripture or it didn't happen.



First of all, we are not bigoted at all.
Secondly, you showed up here or did you forget?
Thirdly, you have just earned an infraction for taking the LORD's name in vain.
how are you not bigoted?

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

You said for yourself that its not in the bible then it didn't happen so youre ignoring evidence to the contrary without even considering it. You are the very definition of a bigot. I'll pray for you tonight bucko.
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Default Re: Lets dissect an atheist! - 11-07-2010, 11:19 PM

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how are you not bigoted?

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

You said for yourself that its not in the bible then it didn't happen so youre ignoring evidence to the contrary without even considering it. You are the very definition of a bigot. I'll pray for you tonight bucko.
By your definition, you would be a bigot as well.

At least, I'm not making up my religion as I go along.
I have the Holy Bible.


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