[Rev. Jim Osborne]

It is no secret that modern science has hoodwinked a gullible public and fed them a pack of lies. They do so because scientists are immoral atheists who have no qualm about deceiving others so that people will lose faith in God. They claim to live by "truth", but they live by Satan. Christians, do not fall for these lies! Our Savior tells us...

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. - Matt. 24:4

They have invented hare-brained, crackpot theories with nary a shred of evidence like evolution and natural selection to contradict the Genesis creation account. They tell us the Earth revolves around the sun, or that the Earth is a sphere. They fill in the gaps of their logic by creating things like "genes" or "DNA" to make their lies more coherent and more deceptive.

One lie that is not brought up too much, but does need to be addressed is how secular scientists claim that outer space is nothing more than an empty void, a vacuum. I tell you that this idea of empty space belongs in science fiction like Star Trek, but not in science textbooks and certainly not in our children's classrooms!

The Bible tells us instead that space ("heavens") are actually made up of water. Let us examine the text.

Genesis 1:1-2
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

"without form", "deep", "face of the waters". Clearly this is describing an ocean. Definitely nothing solid. Let us continue to the more important verses which go into more detail...

Genesis 1:6-8
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Verse 6 tells us there was just water everywhere. It divides the water from the waters. This means in the very beginning there was nothing but ocean -- everywhere. The universe was water.

Move on to verse 7 and it tells us that the firmament was created across the sky, separating the waters below (our oceans on Earth) from the waters above (the literal ocean of space).

Verse 8 reveals that the firmament is called Heaven. The sky. Outer space.

There it is! Conclusive Biblical proof that outer space is a vast ocean. It is not an empty void like those crazy Darwinists want you to think. But it's not over. The Bible also reveals the source of rain. Scientists want you to think it comes from clouds, but actually it is when God opens the heavens and allows water to fall. Rain comes from outer space!

Genesis 7:11-12
11In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

1 Kings 8:35
35When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou afflictest them:

It is quite poetic and beautiful to know that when you feel rain on you, you are feeling literally water from Heaven. I want you to remember that and I want everyone to stand up to the lies the secular scientists have been telling. We need to get rid of this atheistic astronomy and replace it with good, truthful Biblical astronomy in our classrooms. Stand together and demand that they TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!

[UnholyScientist]

Really? You're saying that rain doesn't come from clouds...

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by HolyScientist

Really? You're saying that rain doesn't come from clouds...

The Holy Bible makes it clear that rain falls from Heaven (space) whenever it is opened. How can rain fall from clouds when clouds are just a mix of smoke and air?

[Wilbur J. Carpenter]

Rev. Osborne, you are absolutely right. Here are some other passages which demonstrate that the Earth rests upon a great ocean, and that space is not a void as suggested by Satanic Globularism:


Genesis 49:25

"Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; And by the Almighty, who shall bless thee
With blessings of heaven above,
Blessings of the deep that lieth under"

Exodus 20:4

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"

Deuteronomy 4:18

"The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth"

Deuteronomy 33:13


"Blessed of the Lord be his land,
For the precious things of heaven, for the dew,
And for the deep that coucheth beneath"


These passages cleary show that said waters are beneath the Earth, not merely a part of it, which can only mean that the Earth rests on a great ocean or body of water. This of course is also strong scriptural evidence for the planar nature of the terrestrial realm.


For more insights into scripture and its verdict on the shape of the Earth, I strongly recommend Samuel Birley Rowbotham's seminal work Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe, especially chapter 15 which I have linked below:


http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za66.htm

[Aziz Mahood]

Originally Posted by Wilbur J. Carpenter

Rev. Osborne, you are absolutely right. Here are some other passages which demonstrate that the Earth rests upon a great ocean, and that space is not a void as suggested by Satanic Globularism:


Genesis 49:25

"Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; And by the Almighty, who shall bless thee
With blessings of heaven above,
Blessings of the deep that lieth under"

Exodus 20:4

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"

Deuteronomy 4:18

"The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth"

Deuteronomy 33:13


"Blessed of the Lord be his land,
For the precious things of heaven, for the dew,
And for the deep that coucheth beneath"


These passages cleary show that said waters are beneath the Earth, not merely a part of it, which can only mean that the Earth rests on a great ocean or body of water. This of course is also strong scriptural evidence for the planar nature of the terrestrial realm.


For more insights into scripture and its verdict on the shape of the Earth, I strongly recommend Samuel Birley Rowbotham's seminal work Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe, especially chapter 15 which I have linked below:


http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za66.htm

Even the earlies of the church fathers new this, put that puts them head of these scientist.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_ea...ristian_Church

[RomanK]

Genesis 1:1-2
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Kind of hard to have water if it is without form! If you have no form then you have no waters since it is obvious that water is an element, which has to be formed. Duh! Maybe you'd be better off refering to it as a metaphore for a geometric configuration. K. If you want you can refer to faith as electromagnetics, then I might actually believe in it.

[Mrs. Rogers]

Originally Posted by RomanK

Genesis 1:1-2
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Kind of hard to have water if it is without form! If you have no form then you have no waters since it is obvious that water is an element, which has to be formed. Duh!

Water is an element? You know, I think you're on to something here! Actually, let's make our own the laughable scientifical word 'molecule': perhaps the Heavenly Water Molecule is two parts the Glory of GOD covalently bonded to one part the desalinated tears of angels? Probably not, as I cannot find the word 'molecule' in my KJV ...

... please forgive a silly old fool her flight of fancy.

If you want you can refer to faith as electromagnetics, then I might actually believe in it.

I cannot muster the faith required to believe in electromagnetics, son.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by RomanK

Kind of hard to have water if it is without form!

Water is without form. Quick, answer this: What is the shape of water?

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

Originally Posted by RomanK

Kind of hard to have water if it is without form! If you have no form then you have no waters since it is obvious that water is an element, which has to be formed. Duh! Maybe you'd be better off refering to it as a metaphore for a geometric configuration. K. If you want you can refer to faith as electromagnetics, then I might actually believe in it.

Even if water had form (which it hasn't) it wouldn't be a problem at all:

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

[RomanK]

Originally Posted by Johannes Kirkeholm

Even if water had form (which it hasn't) it wouldn't be a problem at all:

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

In classical terms water, fire, earth, and air are the 4 main elements. Ether being the 5th.

Indeed in modern terms water is a molecule. However the concept behind the molecule is that of a compound, hydrogen and oxygen. So if the void was without form then hydrogen would have not been created yet nor would water be present.

as for your form http://whs.wsd.wednet.edu/Faculty/Bu...hics/02-03.jpg

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by RomanK

In classical terms water, fire, earth, and air are the 4 main elements. Ether being the 5th.[...]

Ah, A biblical Scientist! You will like this: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=9216 However, I suspect that Ether is a combination of air and water

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by RomanK

as for your form http://whs.wsd.wednet.edu/Faculty/Bu...hics/02-03.jpg

So if we looked at water under a really powerful microscope, we'd see a bunch of brown, green and blue balls with little letters on them?

[RomanK]

does this satisfy you http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...molecule+photo#

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by RomanK

does this satisfy you http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...molecule+photo#

Add another dodged question to this guy's tally.

[DeadMan89]

Um to be quite frank, it's all about what you think is empty. We got Earth, the sun and moon, all the stars, planets, space junk(meteorites and stuff like that), and all the other stuff that man hasn't discovered yet. Space still has stuff in it, but it's far off from each other.

[I is ignorant]

Alright I'm not sure where to start... First of all the sky is blue because light from the sun is scattered by the particles in our atmosphere causing blue and red light to go to earth. During the day more of the blue is scattered to the surface than the red which is why the sky looks blue during the day. More evidence of this is during sunset when the sun is at a steeper angle more red is scattered to the surface than blue so the sky is a reddish color. Also at night the sky is black, what is your reasoning for that? If space WAS water then we wouldn't see any stars. Stars can be millions of times larger than earth and are millions upon billions of light years away. The only reason we see stars at night is because they exist in a vacuum. Just think, can you see millions of miles through water? no you cannot. You cant even see 50 miles through air. The reason you can see millions of light years through a vacuum is because there is nothing in that space to block any light. The reason for rain is that water evaporates, rises into the sky and form clouds, then, since the temperature high in the atmosphere is colder, the water vapor condenses back into water and falls back to the ground due to gravity. I'm sorry but its not god's water or angel tears. Its more like all the water on the street and in the gross ponds mixes in the sky and falls on you... so really its more like god pissing on you in terms of cleanliness especially if you live in a dirty polluted area. If you can think of an intelligent rebuttal please do let me know but unless your evidence is factual and not solely based on a book that has been edited (butchered) constantly over the past 2000 years by greedy Christians looking to scare people into giving the church all their money (the bible), then please enlighten yourself before responding.

I think that covers everything... So i leave you with a quote from one of the greatest men to ever live...
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature." (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by agnostic>ignorant

If space WAS water then we wouldn't see any stars. Stars can be millions of times larger than earth and are millions upon billions of light years away.

I think you missed Rev. Jim's point.

The Bible tells us:

Water
Earth
Sky
Firmament, with stars in it, separating land from water
Water

We can see the stars because they're in the firmament, and the water is behind them.

Here, this might help:

The Second Day

On the second day, God made a “firmament”, the vault of the sky, which he called Heaven. He made it to divide the waters below the sky from the waters above the sky. (Gen. 1:6-8)

That’s right, the sky is a big dome, and there are waters above it! Pretty amazing . . . But wait, there’s more!


The Third Day

On the third day, God pulled all the water under the sky into one place, making the ocean. Then, the dry land appeared, on which He commanded plants and trees to spring forth. God thought these were pretty good, too. (Gen. 1:9-13)

I bet you thought the water on the Earth filled low spots, didn’t you? So it would seem more like God pulled the land together to make space for the oceans, wouldn’t it? But the Bible says God pulled the water together all in one place.

Is all the water in one place now? Why not?


The Fourth Day

On the fourth day, God put lights in the big dome; a big light (the sun) for the day, a smaller light (moon) for the night, and a bunch of tiny stars which would tell people signs, seasons, days, and years. He made the sky into a calendar! (Gen. 1: 14-19)

So, the sky is a big dome, and the sun and the stars are stuck in it. There are two sources of water, the water above the dome and the water below the dome. That means there is water behind the stars!

Does that mean that’s where rain comes from, behind the stars?

[RomanK]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

Add another dodged question to this guy's tally.

What did I dodge, your stupidity, I think so. I doubt every seriously answering your question about protons electrons and neutrons would have done anything but give you something else to complain about.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by RomanK

What did I dodge, your stupidity, I think so. I doubt every seriously answering your question about protons electrons and neutrons would have done anything but give you something else to complain about.

And once again, you not only refuse to answer a simple question, you insult someone who is trying to understand you.

To refresh your memory: So if we looked at water under a really powerful microscope, we'd see a bunch of brown, green and blue balls with little letters on them?

[barton]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

It is quite poetic and beautiful to know that when you feel rain on you, you are feeling literally water from Heaven.

What a wonderful message! So beautiful! It actually brought a manly tear to my right eye.

What I don't understand is why there are so many people out there that want to deny His Glory, using profane science as the weapon of choice. Do they hate God so much that they cannot even acknowledge His Handiwork when we are blessed by rain? Someone even quotes that mixed up, debauched joo-boy Einstein here. It's disgusting!