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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 05:15 AM

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Apology accepted. I like people who document their claims.

Regarding Ayisha:
Getting married at early age was a regular thing to do 1420 years ago. Not only the prophet did, most, if not all, men and women did it. A girl becomes a full women once she starts having her period, therefore, the prophet married a full grown woman, not a child.
My grandmother got married when she was 12 years. I also met many old people in the U.S. who got married when they were young. My wife's grandmother, who is American, got married when she was 11 years old.

Regarding playing with dolls, well everyone was playing with them.
I remember 20 years ago, anyone playing video games is considered a kid. But now, everyone does. Thats the same thing with dolls. +1420 years ago, dolls were not restricted only to kids. Everybody played with them.

Khomaini,
Only people in Iran, or most of them, consider him a very special guy. The rest of the world considers him a very sick guy because of some of his rules.
Also, I studied Khomaini a lot and I never seen such a ruling, would you mind providing me with the book name??
Girls do not get their period at nine years of age, and he married her when she was at the age of six. Sorry, I'm not buying it. She was in no way a full-grown woman.

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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 05:16 AM

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Apology accepted. I like people who document their claims.

Regarding Ayisha:
Getting married at early age was a regular thing to do 1420 years ago. Not only the prophet did, most, if not all, men and women did it. A girl becomes a full women once she starts having her period, therefore, the prophet married a full grown woman, not a child.
My grandmother got married when she was 12 years. I also met many old people in the U.S. who got married when they were young. My wife's grandmother, who is American, got married when she was 11 years old.

Regarding playing with dolls, well everyone was playing with them.
I remember 20 years ago, anyone playing video games is considered a kid. But now, everyone does. Thats the same thing with dolls. +1420 years ago, dolls were not restricted only to kids. Everybody played with them.

Khomaini,
Only people in Iran, or most of them, consider him a very special guy. The rest of the world considers him a very sick guy because of some of his rules.
Also, I studied Khomaini a lot and I never seen such a ruling, would you mind providing me with the book name??
She was having her monthlies at 6 years old?


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10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 07:00 AM

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Apology accepted. I like people who document their claims.

Regarding Ayisha:
Getting married at early age was a regular thing to do 1420 years ago. Not only the prophet did, most, if not all, men and women did it. A girl becomes a full women once she starts having her period, therefore, the prophet married a full grown woman, not a child.
My grandmother got married when she was 12 years. I also met many old people in the U.S. who got married when they were young. My wife's grandmother, who is American, got married when she was 11 years old.
No. I'm sorry, but no. That was a child, not a woman. She had not reached full physical or mental maturity. Just because someone gets their period does not mean they are fully grown, they still have a lot more developing to do.
Your prophet married a child, who would have only just reached adulthood when he died.
You can look at it any way you want, but it's still wrong. You think those child-brides enjoy some old pervert buying then raping them? Why don't you ask them how they feel?



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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 08:10 AM

Here is a copy/paste regarding the issue of age difference:
With regard to the issue of her being young and your being confused about that, you should note that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) grew up in a hot country, the Arabian Peninsula. Usually in hot countries adolescence comes early and people marry early. This is how the people of Arabia were until recently. Moreover, women vary greatly in their development and their physical readiness for marriage.

Again, Its funny that no one commented on my grandmother getting married at 12 or my wife's grandmother getting married at 11. Ask many old people in the US, they will tell you the same.
The marriage happened when she was 6 years old, and they lived together as husband and wife when she was 9 years old.


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Why don't you ask them how they feel?
There is nothing but love when reading about the life of Ayisha and the prophet. I don't have time to post any proofs right now, but if you think I am wrong, prove it.
Developing process differs between time to time and locations. You cannot use the standards of these days in a specific region to judge the developing process 1425 years ago in a region you haven't learned about.

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There is no book called Tahrirolvasyleh, maybe you mean Tahrir Al-Waseelah. Even though I don't follow or believe this guy, I will look into the issue.
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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 09:09 AM

I've read autobiographies of women who've grown up in the east, the things they've lived with and had to put up with, and the atrocities that they've seen done to others.

From their perspective, young brides are often forced into something horrific, something they hope to bring to light by getting their stories published. Of course, not all women in such circumstances will agree, but many of them will.

How many of them, do you think, would choose to go along with marriage to an old man as a child, if they were given a choice in the matter?



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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 10:05 AM

Rachel:
In Islam a woman cannot be forced into marriage. In Aeysha's case, her father made the decision for her. When she grew up and became 9 years old, she still had a choice to withdraw from the marriage.
Getting married to a young woman was not the prophet's idea. It was someone's else.
In regard to your question:
"How many of them, do you think, would choose to go along with marriage to an old man as a child, if they were given a choice in the matter?"
I would say, not many. But that doesn't mean I blame those who choose to marry older men, or accuse those who want to marry young women.
Looking at the history of Arabia, there are MANY and MANY cases where old men married younger women. This habit has changed now due to many factors.
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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 11:54 AM

The age women get their monthly curses has been getting earlier, not later, throughout time.


Nowhere can one find that 6 years is the age for the start!
Historical Data on Age at Menarche
Early data
Ancient Rome 12-14
Medieval Europe 12-14
Medieval Middle East 12-13
Nineteenth Century
Manchester 1840s
working class women 15.7
upper class women 14.6
London 1855 (hospital patients) 15.5
Germany 1869 15.7
Scotland 1870 15.6-16.6
London 1880 (middle class) 15
U.S.A. late 19th century 12-14

This information is from this site:
http://www.mum.org/menarage.htm

Then of course there's the issue of female castration, isn't there?
There is no way a six year old girl was not forced to marry.


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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 12:06 PM

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No. I'm sorry, but no. That was a child, not a woman. She had not reached full physical or mental maturity. Just because someone gets their period does not mean they are fully grown, they still have a lot more developing to do.
Your prophet married a child, who would have only just reached adulthood when he died.
You can look at it any way you want, but it's still wrong. You think those child-brides enjoy some old pervert buying then raping them? Why don't you ask them how they feel?

I fully agree with Rachel's post if you look at the research on children who have been sexually abused you will find that all suffer with post truamatic stress syndrome and other deep rooted pyschological problems that they have to deal with for the rest of their lives. Your Prophet was a pervert simple as
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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 12:13 PM

I didn't say she had her first period when she was 6. She became a full woman in Islam when she turned 9, and thats when they started living together.
Aeyisha was not forced. She had a choice that her father made when she was 6, then she had a choice when she turned 9 and she chose to live with the prophet.

Hypothetically, she was forced into marrying the prophet, they lived a beautiful life together. Along with many other couples just like them.
And as I said, many people in the US used to get married early, is that wrong??
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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 12:21 PM

A beautiful life together????
I seriously doubt a 9 year old girl getting raped by an old man would use the word beautiful to describe it.


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A beautiful life together????
I seriously doubt a 9 year old girl getting raped by an old man would use the word beautiful to describe it.
Muhammed must have been fugly as hell if he couldn't get anyone his own age.
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And as I said, many people in the US used to get married early, is that wrong??
Thems was mormons and joos that had done that. Saved folks have never did that. Praise the Lord!
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I didn't say she had her first period when she was 6. She became a full woman in Islam when she turned 9, and thats when they started living together.
Aeyisha was not forced. She had a choice that her father made when she was 6, then she had a choice when she turned 9 and she chose to live with the prophet.

Hypothetically, she was forced into marrying the prophet, they lived a beautiful life together. Along with many other couples just like them.
And as I said, many people in the US used to get married early, is that wrong??
NO ONE in America marries a 9 year old child. No civilized society would tolerate it. The truth is, your cult was founded by a child rapist. You can try and rationalize it all you like, but the bottom line is moohammad was a filthy pervert, and he is being sodomized by pigs in hell even as you read this. Praise Jesus!


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Rachel:
In Islam a woman cannot be forced into marriage. In Aeysha's case, her father made the decision for her.
Do you not see the inconsistency here?

A woman cannot be forced into marriage.

Her father made the decision for her.
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NO ONE in America marries a 9 year old child. No civilized society would tolerate it. The truth is, your cult was founded by a child rapist. You can try and rationalize it all you like, but the bottom line is moohammad was a filthy pervert, and he is being sodomized by pigs in hell even as you read this. Praise Jesus!
So what is the right age for a woman to get married?.

Nine is a little scary. He didn't.. you know.. no I don't want to think about it. Thats a child!


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Default Re: Tampons? - 04-03-2007, 06:18 PM

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Nine is a little scary. He didn't.. you know.. no I don't want to think about it. Thats a child!
He married her at the age of six, the marriage was consumated when she was nine.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
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that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
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He married her at the age of six, the marriage was consumated when she was nine.

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that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Thats wrong. WRONG.... I don't care if he was a prohet of God. She was a child. If he loved her he should have waited untill she was a woman.


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I don't care if he was a prohet of God.
Prophet of God? The guy was a whackjob.

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Girls do not get their period at nine years of age, and he married her when she was at the age of six. Sorry, I'm not buying it. She was in no way a full-grown woman.
Actually, I have personally seen a six year old get her period. It's a rarity in this day in age, but it is possible. And people back then did get married at a very early age. They had shorter life spans and probably grew up faster than people today do, mentally or otherwise. Although six is a little young. On the other hand, perhaps it only seems so strange because we are not accustom to that way of life.
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Prophet of God? The guy was a whackjob.

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Oh course mohammd was ,if he was going to have little girls! I can't stand the thought. It makes me queasy. I've not really studied Islam much, All muslims seem to say it's a religion of peace. Maybe I shall have too look into this... Argh nine.. ( can't deal at all.)

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