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Exclamation Lieberal Lies: The Crusades - 10-07-2010, 09:28 AM

Friends, I know most of you were home-schooled, so I am sure that you have managed to avoid most of the lies so horribly ingrained in our school system. For those of us who were forced into the secular school system, the myth of the Christian crusaders as dark age barbians hell-bent on murdering and raping a peaceful, advanced and tolerant Mooslim civilization should be familiar to you. This is simply not the case. The fact of the matter is that the Crusaders were holy warriors doing God's work and protecting all of Christendom from a culture intent on stamping it out entirely.

A (very) brief history of the Crusades

The Crusades were a series of military campaigns fought between 1096 A.D to 1291 A.D for the reconquest of the Holy Land. By 1096 the Mooslim empire had taken over much of the Middle East, North Africa, a good amount of Spain and Portugal, and was making inroads in Turkey (which was controlled by the Byzantine empire at the time). The Byzantine emperor appealed to the Cathlick church for help, which in a rare moment of level-headedness realized that something needed to be done before the Mooslim threat overran all of Europe. They organized a series of armies which managed to retake the Holy Land and Spain, install a Christian government in Jerusalem for the first time in centuries, and liberate many poor Christians living under the yoke of the Mooslims. Unfortunately, their success in the Holy Land was not to last, and they were steadily pushed back until in 1291 they were forced to abandon it completely when Acre fell.

Lie #1: The Crusades were wars of aggression against a peaceful Mooslim society

As I have already pointed out, by the time of the First Crusade the Mooslims had overrun much of the Christian world. In fact, just to put it in perspective for everyone, they had control over roughly 2/3 of the Christian world at the time. And they had only been around for roughly 400 years at that point! If anyone was waging unprovoked wars of aggression, it was obviously the moon-worshipers.

Lie #2: The Mooslims were a tolerant people who embraced religious diversity while the Crusaders were hateful bigots

In truth, it was only during the time that the Crusaders ruled Palestine that people enjoyed the civil rights of not being sold into slavery or put to death for their religious beliefs. Even the average Mooslims preferred to live under Christian rule, as is shown by this quote by Ibn Jubayr, a Mooslim historian:

"We moved from Tibnin - may God destroy it - at daybreak on Monday. Our way lay through continuous farms and ordered settlements, whose inhabitants were all Muslims living comfortably with the Franks. God protect us from such temptation. They surrender half their crops to the Franks at harvest time, and pay as well a poll-tax of one dinar and five qirat for each person. Other than that, they are not interfered with, save for a light tax on the fruits of trees. Their houses and all their effects are left to their full possession. All the coastal cities occupied by the Franks are managed in this fashion, their rural districts, the villages and farms, belonging to the Muslims. But their hearts have been seduced, for they observe how unlike them in ease and comfort are their brethren in the Muslim regions under their (Muslim) governors. This is one of the misfortunes afflicting the Muslims. The Muslim community bewails the injustice of a landlord of its own faith, and applauds the conduct of its opponent and enemy, the Frankish landlord, and is accustomed to justice from him. He who laments this state must turn to God."

Lie #3: The Crusaders were only interested in economic benefits of the war

In truth, there were absolutely NO economic benefits to be had from crusading. Palestine was a relatively poor region, and the costs of raising and equipping armies were very high. Many nobles personally bankrupted themselves and their families to go on the Crusades and help protect the Christians living there.

Lie #4: When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099, they massacred so many people that the streets ran with blood

This literary convention is often parroted as a fact by people who like to believe a defensive war was a genocide. During medieval times, a city that was put under siege was given two choices: surrender and be spared, or resist and be sacked if they are defeated. Jerusalem resisted, and though many people were killed in the aftermath of the battle, many others were ransomed or let to go free. It was absolutely not any different from any other city's siege during the times. Furthermore, Jerusalem is a very large city. The amount of blood it would take to literally fill the streets would have required the deaths of more people than were living in the entire region, let alone only the city.

So there you have it; four reasons the Lieberals don't want you to know why we should be proud of this glorious time during Christian history.


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Default Re: Lieberal Lies: The Crusades - 10-07-2010, 02:58 PM

Are we stuck in some sort of parallel universe where the local cultists here somehow manage to come to their senses with respect to the rich and sacred history of the Catholic Church?

The Christians this writer speaks of are, of course, the followers of the Holy Roman Church, the very Church He built on the rock of St. Peter!

Yes, that is correct. Back in simpler times, before the religious terrorism of Martin Luther and his ilk, we Catholics were, after over a thousand years, still doing the heavy lifting of Christianity and doing it rather well. (Just read the post above!)

It is articles like this that beg the question of how a good Catholic President would have handled the geopolitical landscape of the past forty years... a landscape rife with gardens of middle-eastern unrest. Had JFK not been murdered would a series of fine Papists held the Presidency and thus dealt with Islam the way Kennedy stared down the Russians during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

While it is all fine and good to have a Supreme Court dominated by Catholics, perhaps it is time to put another Catholic in the White House and bring some good old-fashioned guts and glory to the job. Over the centuries the evidence supports the premise that when Islam gets too uppity it has been we Catholics who have stepped up to defend Christian lands, peoples and values.






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Default Re: Lieberal Lies: The Crusades - 10-07-2010, 03:11 PM

Unfortunately sir, the Crusades were roughly 700 years ago. That gave the Catholic church plenty of time to stop caring about Christianity and to start caring about the backsides of little boys.


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While it is all fine and good to have a Supreme Court dominated by Catholics, perhaps it is time to put another Catholic in the White House and bring some good old-fashioned guts and glory to the job. Over the centuries the evidence supports the premise that when Islam gets too uppity it has been we Catholics who have stepped up to defend Christian lands, peoples and values.
Considering that you scumbags invented Islam in the first place, anything you do to counteract it now is like putting a band-aid on the massive wound Christianity received when you stabbed it in the back.





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Unfortunately sir, the Crusades were roughly 700 years ago. That gave the Catholic church plenty of time to stop caring about Christianity and to start caring about the backsides of little boys.
Lycia I applaud your research but like father Mo said thats all Catholic history girl but its good that you say Christianity remember at that time Catholics where also known as Christians. Remember when they say compare #'s between Muslims and Christians, Catholics are the ones that are putting 1 billion members the rest come from denominations.

Remember also that the Catholic Church put scripture together to form the Bible from tradition and word of mouth. Thessalonians 2:15

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Lycia I applaud your research but like father Mo said thats all Catholic history girl but its good that you say Christianity remember at that time Catholics where also known as Christians. Remember when they say compare #'s between Muslims and Christians, Catholics are the ones that are putting 1 billion members the rest come from denominations.

Remember also that the Catholic Church put scripture together to form the Bible from tradition and word of mouth. Thessalonians 2:15

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After the cathlicks created mooslims, they realized that in a mooslim controlled world kiddie fiddling would be frowned upon. So after loosing two-thirds of the christian world, the cathlick clergy managed to persuade the populace to take that land back. These peasants and knights, who presumably were normal heterosexuals, managed to do something that is commendable. That doesn't change the fact that the cathlick church is a corrupt, bloated organization built on the backsides of children.

And in my KJV bible, Thessalonians 2:15 doesn't read like that.


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Lie #2: The Mooslims were a tolerant people who embraced religious diversity while the Crusaders were hateful bigots.
I don't see why this would be a problem, in any case. Clearly, if the Crusaders were True Christians, they would know from their study of Scripture that one should not blend with or tolerate heathens.
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I think the crusades were sooo sad. If it wasn't for that, I bet the Muslims and Christians would have gotten together and realized that both of their spiritual paths have sooo many deep insights in common, and they would have combined them. There is so much truth and beauty in both the Bible and the Qu'ran when you ignore all the bad stuff.



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I think the crusades were sooo sad. If it wasn't for that, I bet the Muslims and Christians would have gotten together and realized that both of their spiritual paths have sooo many deep insights in common, and they would have combined them. There is so much truth and beauty in both the Bible and the Qu'ran when you ignore all the bad stuff.
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The Christians this writer speaks of are, of course, the followers of the Holy Roman Church, the very Church He built on the rock of St. Peter!
So it was just a bunch of Satanists sending each other to Hell, with no real Christians harmed? Even better.


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PROOF THE EARTH IS ROUND.

It's simple, really.

-Given you have a powerful enough magnifying object, stand on top of the Sears' Tower and tell me if you can see the Eiffel Tower, Taipei 101, Petronas Towers, or anything beyond the Northern Hemisphere. You can't, can you?

-If the Earth was flat, there would be no horizon, and don't say the horizon is a conspiracy because if you do, you never passed the second grade.

-Take a boat from wherever and sail all the way around the earth. You'll get right back where you started.

-Toilets and whirlpools on the Southern Hemisphere flush and swirl in the opposite direction of those on the Northern Hemisphere. This dictates that the Earth is a sphere, because if it was a prism, it would flush/swirl the same direction as all other toilets/whirlpools.

-If the Earth was a rectangular shape, there would be no room for any layer other than half of the crust, which I'd bet you theorize is yet another conspiracy (about the layers of the earth).

-If you stand on the North and South poles, a compass will go berserk, because of the strong magnetic force. Again, this would not happen if the Earth was flat.

-The Earth is no different from any other planet other than the fact we have all the necessary materials for life. That does not put, nor should it put, us in a superiority complex.

-If you get a powerful enough telescope, you CAN see satellites in space orbiting around Earth.

-A non-spherical object could not have a gravitational pull, and if the earth was flat, it would fall endlessly through space and time, and eventually be out of the heating radius of the Sun to be able to sustain life.

Enough said.
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So then you reject God's own Word.

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PROOF THE EARTH IS ROUND.

It's simple, really.

-Given you have a powerful enough magnifying object, stand on top of the Sears' Tower and tell me if you can see the Eiffel Tower, Taipei 101, Petronas Towers, or anything beyond the Northern Hemisphere. You can't, can you?
Totally illogical as such a device does not exist and objects would be in the way.

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-If the Earth was flat, there would be no horizon, and don't say the horizon is a conspiracy because if you do, you never passed the second grade.
Spherical Earther myth. Of course there is a horizon.

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-Take a boat from wherever and sail all the way around the earth. You'll get right back where you started.
Spherical Earther irrational logic. If you look a Spherical Earther globe you will see land masses in the way. Boats don't sail on land.

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-Toilets and whirlpools on the Southern Hemisphere flush and swirl in the opposite direction of those on the Northern Hemisphere. This dictates that the Earth is a sphere, because if it was a prism, it would flush/swirl the same direction as all other toilets/whirlpools.
You having been watching the Simpsons. This is just a joke and is not true.

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-If the Earth was a rectangular shape, there would be no room for any layer other than half of the crust, which I'd bet you theorize is yet another conspiracy (about the layers of the earth).
Sorry, flat objects are stackable. Spherical objects are not.

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-If you stand on the North and South poles, a compass will go berserk, because of the strong magnetic force. Again, this would not happen if the Earth was flat.
I like to see try and stand on the north and poles at the same time.

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-The Earth is no different from any other planet other than the fact we have all the necessary materials for life. That does not put, nor should it put, us in a superiority complex.
You might like to tell your secular scientists that. Even they disagree with you.

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-If you get a powerful enough telescope, you CAN see satellites in space orbiting around Earth.
True. Does not mean the earth is a sphere.

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-A non-spherical object could not have a gravitational pull, and if the earth was flat, it would fall endlessly through space and time, and eventually be out of the heating radius of the Sun to be able to sustain life.
So what is happening with us now.

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Enough said.
Glad to hear that. Perhaps you should post comments in the correct thread next time. It might make you look a bit more intelligent.


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@AmericanAnarchist
1 You do not seem to have posted in the introductions forum.
2 why would non-spherical objects not be subject to gravity?
3 Are you advocate of anarchy or anarchism?
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A non-spherical object could not have a gravitational pull, and if the earth was flat, it would fall endlessly through space and time, and eventually be out of the heating radius of the Sun to be able to sustain life.
According to secular non-scientists the Earth is already so far out of the "Goldilocks" zone that life could not exist here, anyway!
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I think the crusades were sooo sad. If it wasn't for that, I bet the Muslims and Christians would have gotten together and realized that both of their spiritual paths have sooo many deep insights in common, and they would have combined them. There is so much truth and beauty in both the Bible and the Qu'ran when you ignore all the bad stuff.
You meant to add: "just like the Jews & they mohammedans" I think (the Jews not participating in the crusades, of course).

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Default Re: Lieberal Lies: The Crusades - 06-15-2012, 09:15 PM

Written by a conservative I bet.
The English of which I am one or at least my distant ancestors were very
good at saving populations from their heathen ways and of course had to
kill quite a few of the way. The Crusaders were just the same only they
were backed by the church who wanted the land of the bible keep for
themselves.

You need to read real history not school book type, I regard Christians and Muslims as equals - equally dangerous and equally
deluded. The reason Christians may seem less dangerous is because they were
the victors. If the roles of history were reversed and it was the Muslims
who annexed Europe instead of the other way around then I have no doubt it
would be Christians who would now be hijacking airliners and crashing them
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Written by a conservative I bet.
The English of which I am one or at least my distant ancestors were very
good at saving populations from their heathen ways and of course had to
kill quite a few of the way. The Crusaders were just the same only they
were backed by the church who wanted the land of the bible keep for
themselves.

You need to read real history not school book type, I regard Christians and Muslims as equals - equally dangerous and equally
deluded. The reason Christians may seem less dangerous is because they were
the victors. If the roles of history were reversed and it was the Muslims
who annexed Europe instead of the other way around then I have no doubt it
would be Christians who would now be hijacking airliners and crashing them
into buildings.
This is a huge lie. Christianity has not yet been victorious over Islam. Islam is a huge religion, the followers of which control a great deal of land and resources. The reason they behave like psychopaths is not because "Christians annexed Europe". Why is Europe more important than the rest of the world? Or are you some kind of Eurocentric racist? Muslims aren't living in little concentration camps all over Europe. They are living in huge countries to the south and south east, where they dominate everything.

The fact that they can't control the entire world is a justification for their maniacal behavior?

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I regard Christians and Muslims as equals
That statement alone will get your ticket punched to hell, Tommy.

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If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.

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Default Re: Lieberal Lies: The Crusades - 06-17-2012, 09:40 AM

Yes, now the libs are trying to get our military to stop our spiritual fitness tests given to our soldiers, and replace it with a rationality fitness test. We don't need no athiest in our military!
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