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Default Disturbing - 12-20-2007, 10:10 AM

Brethren, I have had ample opportunity to look around your forums now, and I must say, I am horrified at what I have seen! I have seen Jew hating and gay hating, and now I see a forum, the only purpose of which is to (in your words) "make Promise Keepers look like homers." That is a horrible thing to say. Promise Keepers are a God blessed organization. Please pray about this matter.

And can someone please explain to me this sick obsession with meat? Why do only sissies not eat meat? It's almost like you are purposely trying to associate every negative thing of Christianity and blow it out of proportion.

I will be praying for you all.

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Default Re: Disturbing - 12-20-2007, 10:16 AM

My friend we do what the Bible tells us, plain and simple. Please point out where we are wrong accordingly.


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5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled
10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


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Default Re: Disturbing - 12-20-2007, 01:07 PM

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My friend we do what the Bible tells us, plain and simple. Please point out where we are wrong accordingly.
Thank you for asking. I will point out your errors accordingly.

First, you have hatred for the Jews. Paul did not (Rom 10:1). He prayed for Israel. Second, you have violated the fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5:21, which identifies envying as a sin. You have been envious of Promise Keepers and spoken ill of them to bolster your own reputation. That is vain (and, hence, sinful). Thirdly, you have mocked the unsaved instead of loving them and wanting them saved like God does (2 Tim 2:4).

Nonetheless, like Paul who rejoiced that whether in pretence or in truth, Christ was preached, I too rejoice (Philippians 1:18). I stand with you in opposing sins like homosexuality, but you must learn to exhibit more love.

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Default Re: Disturbing - 12-20-2007, 01:18 PM

I don't recall any verses in the Holy Bible where Jesus admonishes us to show love for sodomites. In fact, those who support queers are condemned right along with the sodomites themselves.

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Please don't tell me you're one of these false Christians who cherry picks the scripture that makes them feel good.


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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: Disturbing - 12-20-2007, 01:21 PM

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I don't recall any verses in the Holy Bible where Jesus admonishes us to show love for sodomites. In fact, those who support queers are condemned right along with the sodomites themselves.

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Please don't tell me you're one of these false Christians who cherry picks the scripture that makes them feel good.

Yes, it is true that those who support homosexuality stand condemned. I Corinthians 6:9 specifically tells us that, but you must love them and make them feel loved to show them the error of their ways.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

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Default Re: Disturbing - 12-20-2007, 01:22 PM

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I stand with you in opposing sins like homosexuality, but you must learn to exhibit more love.
It's good that we can agree on something; because those damned queers really weird me out. I don't think I can show them any love Roy, I'm certainly not going to let one sodomize me for Christ. Personally I think they should be all rounded up and put in camps away from the general public. I feel society would be better served that way.
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It's good that we can agree on something; because those damned queers really weird me out. I don't think I can show them any love Roy, I'm certainly not going to let one sodomize me for Christ. Personally I think they should be all rounded up and put in camps away from the general public. I feel society would be better served that way.

Rounded up and put in camps? Here we go again, sounding like white supremacists!

And I've never heard of a gay who would "sodomise me for Christ," have you? I must preach to homosexuals in the spirit of love, and if they reject that message, I can't help it. They are in God's Hands then.

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Yes, it is true that those who support homosexuality stand condemned. I Corinthians 6:9 specifically tells us that, but you must love them and make them feel loved to show them the error of their ways.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

John 3:16
Have you ever really read that verse Mr. Cougar? Jesus died for "WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH in him." A sodomite, by their very perverted nature, cannot believeth in Him. I am not convinced that queers are even capable of believing in Him, until they give up their filthy hobby.


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Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Rounded up and put in camps? Here we go again, sounding like white supremacists!
Roy, I'm trying to sound like a responsible citizen and parent. We put people in jail all the time; as a matter of fact we're running out of room. We need more jails; and more punishment. We're being too soft on these people and they're laughing in our faces.

Now we have "homosexual" parents adopting children and teaching them the gay deathstyle. Their agenda is to destroy marriage and traditional relationships and replace them with slurp ramps and bus station sex. It's right in front of your eyes Roy, you just have to open them.
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Rounded up and put in camps? Here we go again, sounding like white supremacists!
Do remember that God will do worse once HE gets His hands on them.
He will put them in hell, from where there is no escape.

So naturally, anything we can do to save those poor souls from that fate..
Should be done.

That's why we think you should be harsh on these people, we have seen that being soft on them..
It NEVER works.

And the most important thing, Roy.. It isn't to preach, say, and do, what makes people feel good;
But to actually get them Saved! Wouldn't you agree?


I will pray for you too, friend.
And I hope this is but a minor disagreement we're having and that you aren't a victim of false conviction.
(ie That you only THINK you're Saved.)


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I have seen Jew hating and gay hating
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I must preach to homosexuals in the spirit of love, and if they reject that message, I can't help it. They are in God's Hands then.

In His Grace,

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We preach with love in our hearts and souls for the CHRISTIAN that may be saved, but with the just rejection of the abomination of what they currently are, and with stern words in our mouths so that what we say is heard and believed.

At LBC we do not believe that GOD has asked us to be "understanding and gentle" HE has asked each and everyone of us to give testimony of HIS WORD, and fight HIS FIGHT FOR HIS GLORY, we are always in GOD's HANDS, but we cannot just say meekly "you're doing a no-no but let it be on your head, we love you", we say "YOU ARE A SINNER, An abomination in the eyes of GOD, we hate what you stand for, you are damned if you keep your ways, you will burn in hell"

And then we tell them to face the facts, abandon those sinful ways, read the word of GOD from the KJV, repent and accept JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOUR.

Sorry Roy, there are too many "feel good" gentle people in this world and I haven't seen the good in it, OUR LORD is a kind but stern FATHER, and if we speak in his stead we can do no less for HIS lost children.

I hope that even if you cannot take that burden you will, at least, accept and keep an open mind for those that have chosen this form of doing HIS WORK.

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Default Re: Disturbing - 12-21-2007, 04:09 AM

If someone is about to stick their face in a woodchipper, do you say, "I love you, even though you plan to rip your face off and spray it all over the place?"

No, you do what it takes to keep their face out of that woodchipper. You have to show tough love. You have to be cruel to be kind.

It's love-dovie garbage like yours that is to blame for Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction", Iran getting away with 9/11, and the alarming drop in gay teen suicides.


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Default Re: Disturbing - 12-21-2007, 07:50 AM

wow its sad how hypocritical you people are If I recall I remember somebody saying a page back about cherry picking scriptures, well after looking around a little that seems to be all I see around here and yes I agree with silver cougar , how can you sit around and proclaim to save god when all you do is sit in this forum and bash gay's,jews,and everything else under the sun...this is appalling.....I'm poised just to change my religion cause I don't want to burn in hell with you sick f*cks.
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It is true that the homosexual/lesbian movement is taking over our children and culture and perverting morality. There we can agree. I'll say, at least you brethren are taking a stand for truth when others are not. For that you are to be commended.


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It is true that the homosexual/lesbian movement is taking over our children and culture and perverting morality. There we can agree. I'll say, at least you brethren are taking a stand for truth when others are not. For that you are to be commended.
Thank you very much for your kind words brother. In Jesus we are all brothers and spreading his word is not an easy task in this day and age.


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10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
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If someone is about to stick their face in a woodchipper, do you say, "I love you, even though you plan to rip your face off and spray it all over the place?"

No, you do what it takes to keep their face out of that woodchipper. You have to show tough love. You have to be cruel to be kind.

It's love-dovie garbage like yours that is to blame for Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction", Iran getting away with 9/11, and the alarming drop in gay teen suicides.

So is that how it is, Mr Thurmond? Do anything it takes to bring people to Christ?

If your logic holds up, then the Crusades and the Inquisition were justified because anything that can be done to save a heathen is with God's approval, including torture and murder. I can't agree with that. Can you show me where Jesus or Paul put their stamp of approval on torturing and murdering someone? I think not.

God's religion is about teachin peace and love and tolerance, accompanied by a firm hand and the Bible. It is not about murder or causing pain. The imperfect Old Testament system is what brought pain and death, but not the New Testament, which is a covenant of grace. You brethren seem to have forgotten that.


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So is that how it is, Mr Thurmond? Do anything it takes to bring people to Christ?
Does that seem wrong to you?

How would you feel if you ended up spending endless years, endkless centuries, endless milleniums, being burnt and tortured in the rape-rooms of hell, because somebody got squeamish rather than "Do anything it takes to bring people to Christ"?

Which would you rather experience? Someone shouting "turn or burn" followed by the eternal bliss of heaven, or someone being polite, followed by eternal torture?

Look at the words Jesus used while preaching: "Fool, hypocrite, generation of vipers" and so on. Not to mention Ezekiel!

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Wait, now you're opposed to Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Guantanamo Bay? Bush himself said the War on Terror is a Crusade.

Now, once someone is dead it's too late for them to accept Christ, so killing doesn't work for conversion purposes. Unless you kill someone who has committed the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the holy ghost, in order to impress those who don't.

I myself can't wait to see our crusaders in Iraq put those new microwave pain-rays to work. Being hit with one of those makes you feel like yoou've been covered with gasoline and set on fire, but afterwards you're still alive and able to accept Christ.
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Then it's your squeamishness that is resulting in people you know and love being tortured in hell forever. How can you look at an innocent little girl and say to yourself "I rather her spend eternity having cheesegraters slowly dragged accross her face while a demom wearing a sandpaper condom pounds her genetalia and intestines into a bloody pulp and hornets crwal around in her stomache, stinging every second....Yes, it's better for her to suffer that eternally than to suffer an hour or so of whatever it takes to get her soul saved."

Well, that squeamishness is just greedy. You'd rather have others be raped and tortured, as long as you don't get your hands dirty.

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

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As for torture, what do you think HELL is? I don't know if Jesus uses a stamp, but I do know he separates the wheat from the chaff.

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We do not condone murder. We support capital punishment, and believe the military needs more freedom from rules of engagement.

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So then what does "spare the rod and spoil the child" mean? Being hit with a rod hurts, especially when you're a little kid. But God wants it that way. Obviously punishment has to hurt.


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So is that how it is, Mr Thurmond? Do anything it takes to bring people to Christ?

If your logic holds up, then the Crusades and the Inquisition were justified because anything that can be done to save a heathen is with God's approval, including torture and murder. I can't agree with that. Can you show me where Jesus or Paul put their stamp of approval on torturing and murdering someone? I think not.

God's religion is about teachin peace and love and tolerance, accompanied by a firm hand and the Bible. It is not about murder or causing pain. The imperfect Old Testament system is what brought pain and death, but not the New Testament, which is a covenant of grace. You brethren seem to have forgotten that.
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I know your answer was not for me but I must answer. I think higlhy of you and some errors worry me.

The Old testament was imperfect because it was incomplete, not incorrect.

Nevertheles, even in the NT I would say that the (rightful) WRATH OF GOD hasn't changed a bit (in the case of the kids around we try and show some verses "to the point", in your case and knowing how you read and respect your KJV I would invite you to go back to Matthew 10, 11 and 12)

The covenant is of GRACE, bur not GRATIS, we deserve but hell, it is by JESUS and HIS GRACE that we may be saved. But there are still rules, not to deserve salvation , but at least not to offend beyond redemption.

2 Peter 2:9 "The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished"

Might we agree on this much?

As for the "stamp of approval" you ask, Revelation 11:5 (indeed in your heart the seals and stamps, you knew where to find it) things sometimes MUST be done.

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God's religion is about teachin peace and love and tolerance, accompanied by a firm hand and the Bible. It is not about murder or causing pain. The imperfect Old Testament system is what brought pain and death, but not the New Testament, which is a covenant of grace. You brethren seem to have forgotten that.
Are you denying that the Old Testament is the Word of God?

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.


Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Now, I'm not denying the importance of the New Testament, but you almost seem to be suggesting that the Old Testament is somehow wrong, which is a very dangerous path to go down.


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