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The World stood still for 10 days as Navy Seals, Godless British and Austrian (Pacific Austrian) divers have searched for 13 young Thai soccer players of the "Wild Boar" (Psalms 80:13) team that got trapped in a huge cave more than a week ago because of an unexpected flood.
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It took 10 days to find the 13 members of a youth soccer team trapped in a cave in Northern Thailand. The rescue could take 10 times longer.
The soccer team, 12 boys age 11 to 16, and their 25-year old coach, Ekaphol Chantadee Wong, were exploring the Tham Luang Nang Non cave, a popular tourist attraction, in Chiang Rai, a forest park near the Myanmar border.

On June 23 the boys entered the cave, which runs six miles beneath a mountain. Its passages alternate between wide and extremely narrow. In some areas, only one person at a time can squeeze through.

The boys had visited the cave before and were there on a team outing. It began to rain while they were inside and they were trapped inside by rising floodwater.

Rescue divers found the boys were on a ledge in an air pocket about 2.5 miles into the cave, about a half-mile down. At least 1.5 miles of the path is under muddy water – about 15 feet at some point.


Against all possible odds the boys were found. Of course, each and every True Christian™ was hoping for these unsaved children to survive in order to give then one more chance to accept Jesus, discard the Buddhist heresy, Repent® and become True Christians™. So far so good. The Script initially unfolded as it was intended. Let us take a closer look at the Biblical chain of events:
  1. Unsaved idolatrous boys enjoy their hobby of soccer in a country devoted to various kinds of harlotry and sodomy, Thailand.
  2. Jesus decides to send them a BIG warning. A flash flood.
  3. The boys experience Jesus's punishment and spend ten horrible days in total darkness in constant fear for their lives.
  4. Jesus either accepts their apology and gratitude and Saves® them or lets them perish. Praise Jesus.


But. That. Is. Not. What. Happened.

Instead, the prayers directed at these boys were idolatrous Buddhist prayers by an idolatrous Buddhist prophet.

And. Still. The. Boys. Were. Saved.

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Phra Khuva Boonchum hails from northern Thailand, and is already known to a number of prominent leaders in Myanmar, including State Counselor Daw Aung San Suu Kyi. In this country he is known as Maing Hpone Sayadaw.

The monk visited the Tham Luang cave complex in Chiang Rai late last week, by which time the 12 soccer players and their coach had been trapped for several days.

Braving monsoon rains on Friday, the 54-year-old monk performed religious rites and prayed for the wellbeing of the missing youth and their coach, as well as cave-dwelling spirits. On his departure, the monk told Thai journalists, “They are all still there; they will be found in one or two days,” according to Thai media.

The rain that had been pouring in the area for days stopped the next day; the hiatus lasted until Monday night, when the missing group was found. Many Thais believe it was the monk’s intervention that stopped the rain.


The Buddhist Prophet channeled a True Prophecy?! It is totally improbable that he would have guessed the chain of events correct. It was as accurate as the prophecies in the Bible (such as Daniel 2:40 that depicts the Roman empire in excruciating detail). And that is not all. Many heathens, perhaps millions, prayed their multiple gods.
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On Monday as divers edged through thick mud and water closer to a raised area where they hope to find the stricken team alive, several colourfully-dressed ethnic minority Lisu tribespeople arrived near the entrance to the cave.

They chanted and sacrificed chickens and pigs in an offering to the river and forest spirits, imploring the safe return of the 12 boys, aged 11 to 16, and their 25-year-old coach. "

We're asking forgiveness for things we've done wrong, asking them (the spirits) to release the children..."

Later a hermit -- known in Thai as "reusee" -- was seen wrapped in a tiger print cloth standing motionless and silent on a nearby road, as practitioners of the nation's complex and diverse belief systems converge on the cave.

Offerings have been made at homes, schools and temples across the country, while the Supreme Patriarch -- the head of Buddhist clergy -- has urged Thailand to unite in prayer for the safe return of the team.
I dare not think about the implications. The people prayed and it seems as if their prayers were answered. How can that be? It can't!

John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.


Now, I am not going to be questioning the rationality of Jesus but I am only asking how could this extremely unlikely rescue have been possible without Jesus answering prayers? But He could not have! I am not questioning Jesus but just asking if everything is OK with Him? Is he in some kind of Limbo where everything that is logical and rational is turned upside down. Obviously, we are all happy to give these boys a second chance but by Buddhist Prayers? That is preposterous.


No! way!

The obvious explanation would be that a single True Christian™ also asked for these boys to be rescued and Jesus would of course immediately react (Matthew 21:22). But that cannot be the case. The events did not work out that way. The boys are still in peril, The floodwaters are rising and they have been given provisions.
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Besides the protein drink, Narongsak said they were given painkillers and antibiotics, which doctors had advised as a precaution.
They have been given diving masks, food, medication but there is no mention of any KJV Bibles being distributed.

If this had been a regular disaster commanded by Jesus, it would have been followed by a surge of revival, verses being thrown everywhere, repentance and Baptism. Instead, these boys are being rescued by totally secular means supported by pagan prayers.

I am not questioning the decisions of Jesus. I am just asking what is He thinking. The normal cycle of sin, smiting and repentance has been broken. I am now too intimidated to pray for a single KJV Bible appear miraculously within the cave. Of course, we rejoice in this rescue.

But.

If Jesus is now listening to the prayers of sinners, what is on Earth going on in Heaven? The Bible tells us what these lost boys were like.

Hebrews 11:36-38
And others had trial of [cruel] mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy;)
they wandered in deserts, and [in] mountains, and [in] dens and caves of the earth.


What. Is. Going. On?


Yours in Christ,

Elmer


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Default Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-04-2018, 12:23 PM

With idols it's always the doublespeak if in the fulness of time they all drown..I will not speculate about reasons..who will be selling candles? If the assurances of prayer were futile, as at any vigil for deceased persons they have been, why accept assurances about subsequent fates of those souls from the same source?

On a milder note just in case God directs His witness in that cave to read what is in my heart, how much better than school is living in a cave? At least TEN! I was not educated in a "school" as such but did attend some interesting establishments here and there two of us; we've discussed our experiences since and agree that everything we learned outside (which includes some caves so that's a sort of indoors?) has been of the greatest value. So if you're in a cave, make hay while the sun shines! And if they give you a speaking tube, make one thing clear: Don't Buy Any Candles.
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Default Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-04-2018, 01:01 PM

There is the possibility that ONE of them repented, and Jesus, in His Allmighty wisdom, has decided to lead the rescue team to where he was. So to save one soul, everyone has to be saved.

But let's see in the future of every rescued today if Jesus will punish them. Patience, Brother Elmer, patience. Jesus will come and punish every sinner.


Yes He will come.


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Default Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-04-2018, 02:58 PM

A team of rescue divers swim through miles of underwater caves, pulling behind them a waterproof bag full of much-needed supplies. At last, they reach their destination cave and find the boys huddled in the darkness around the meagre light of a single dying flashlight.

The rescuers open their bag and distribute survival meals to the hungry kids, just as the torch extinguishes the last of its light.

"Don't worry", says a rescuer with a smile on his face, as he pulls the supply bag towards him. He reaches inside and then looks down with a puzzled expression at the fork handles he's pulled out. Several seconds of silence pass, before he turns to his fellow rescuer.

"I said four candles!!!"

BTW, I prayed to Jesus for the little brown babies to be reunited with their parents last week. I'm guessing that helped.


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Default Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-05-2018, 06:19 AM

Well, they're still not out yet and the prospects still look pretty grim with the monsoons coming with even more water. I think Jesus is leaving a clue here - with all the water around they could be baptized. But of course this would never occur to a bunch of heathen Buddhists.


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Does the Bible tell us whether demons can tell the future? Perhaps the boys were already going to be rescued, and a demon knew this, and whispered it in that Buddhist monk's ear?


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Default Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-06-2018, 09:53 AM

Oracular spirits do not necessarily "see" the future and have no taboos against lying. Given a sufficient number of clients it's pretty certain that even random statements would eventuate, in some cases. "Fling enough mud.." as is said. These form a future clientele among whom new random statements are interpreted, because they're looking for confirmation, as predicting sundry events when they occur. Just about anything could be taken as confirmation in that way. For disordered minds, a "prediction" received that white lace will bring dreams could be fulfilled by someone walking home who skidded over mouth-first on a toadstool. Did the oracle foresee?
Acts 16:16-19 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers
Within her world a knack may develop where some people are better at formulating easily fulfilled statements than others. The best ones would be employed by crooks, those less competent would be given the flick; viable business models develop, for the crooks, whether or not the girls knew what they were doing. Demons thrive in such an environment and whether they're deceptive or oracular, or whether those two are the same thing, is a moot point. But all demons are specialists where deception is involved because of their boss. Satan.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
We see this in obviously false creeds, such as Romish catholicism, and know that other religions denying Christ are similarly in bondage. The Bible identifies Jews and particularly their circumlocutions John 8:1-59 as falling into this category. There are many others. God is very clear that anyone not following Jesus is opposed to The Truth which must include people claiming that Jesus is one, but not the only, path to everlasting delight: how do the monks rate by this criterion?
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Does the Bible tell us whether demons can tell the future? Perhaps the boys were already going to be rescued, and a demon knew this, and whispered it in that Buddhist monk's ear?
Dear Brother Faith,

Satan has a general idea of the near future, i.e., what is going to happen to him personally very soon!

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

However, he does not know the particularities of us or any other human being, Saved® of hopeless sinner , only God does.

Daniel 2:27-28
Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king; But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

The foreknowledge of demons is seriously limited. It is practically impossible that a True Prophecy™ of such accuracy as the one uttered by the Buddhist Heathen priest would have been originated in such a flawed creature.

Thank you, Brother Faith for your soothing words. As I mentioned, I am not questioning Jesus but only asking why the KJV Bibles still have not appeared within the pagan cave system. And as both Daniel and Revelation are extremely relevant when it comes to the Second Coming that we're expecting any minute now, it is vital that we remain well informed of Jesus's sudden lenience towards His opponents.


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Default Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-06-2018, 06:21 PM

So are you saying that a demon would know if someone actually had undergone conversion but not whether they were about to do so in the future? Perhaps they inhabit the present moment only with no temporal perceptions at all, in which case they'd be as ignorant of the past as of the future. Satan presumably recalls the past but any afflictions laid upon us manifest in the present only.
II Corinthians 4:17-18 Our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Say if I burned my finger yesterday, it doesn't hurt tomorrow, it hurts now. If the pain were a demon its action would be very constrained and even though my finger exists in all three tenses, past, present and future (barring amputations or sudden death) the pain only acts in the present. Could demons be like that pain?
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God would not of buried these soul-less heathens unless it was for good reason. I frankly am having my Christianity insulted by the interference. I recall how God snatched the airplane, MH370. No one wanted to accept Gods Divine Will™ and they wasted untold resources (that could of been used for a better purpose, such as the Pastors Aviation Fund).
Those little gooks had better be prepared to work off the 'rescue' expenses in a sweater factory.


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Default Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-08-2018, 01:56 PM

What a bunch of whiners, clearly they're just doing this for the attention. "Wah wah, I'm stuck in a cave, now gimme my participation trophy!"




Of course they could just hold their breath and walk out of there. I've been to Thailand many times, so I know how well Thai boys can hold their breath.


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Default Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-10-2018, 07:02 AM

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Of course they could just hold their breath and walk out of there. I've been to Thailand many times, so I know how well Thai boys can hold their breath.

Brother Jeb, this is a truly inspirational observation. I can't tell you the times I've maintained a young Thai girl (or boy) for weeks at a time in the extension added to my Bangkok residence. It's quite similar to the cave that the boys are "stuck" in - dark, full physical restraints, no communication with the outside world. I actually think they like it like that. I say leave them there, freedom of movement and all that.
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Scared Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-10-2018, 12:18 PM

Jesus have mercy! The unthinkable has happened.

Psalms 37:25
I have been young, and now am old;
yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.


We are the righteous. Have we been forsaken? It remains a possibility. Let us consider the latest events at this Asiatic cave system: Apparently all the 12 soccer boys and their coach were rescued without a single KJV in the vicinity.
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The 12th boy has been rescued and the coach, the Thai navy Seals have confirmed. “Hooyah.”
Of course, we do rejoice in the preservation of precious lives that could (albeit it is not very likely) one day benefit the Agenda of Jesus Christ. I am still not questioning Jesus, but I am only asking why once again the prayers of heathen pagans were answered? One of the key rescuers, a Thai army commander prayed a false god a couple of days ago as follows:
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But the chances of monsoon rains sending torrents of water into the cave and making the rescue effort too risky is never far from the minds of everyone involved in the operation.

Alluding to that worry, the regional army commander offered his thanks Monday to the rain god Phra Pirun, imploring him to “keep showing us mercy.”

“Give us three more days and the Boars will come out to see the world, every one of them,” Maj-Gen. Bancha Duriyapan told a news conference punctuated by applause from the dozens of Thai and foreign journalists and others in attendance.

“I beg Phra Pirun because the Meteorological Department said that from Monday on there will be continuous rain,” Bancha said. “If I ask too much, he might not provide it. So I’ve been asking for three days.”
Once again, their requests were granted in total disregard of John 9:31, a verse that Jesus wrote himself. It was infinitesimally unlikely that the rains would not have hindered the rescue attempts without supernatural, VERY powerful intervention! In fact, without a miracle the rescue could NOT have taken place at all. Jesus Christ! What a mess. This is what that false deity looks like!



Jesus is now repeatedly allowing false gods to grant the requests of unbelievers. I cannot explain it. It is certainly fine to save children from death but this was accomplished by wrong methods. I can only turn to the Book of Amos as it offers an explanation. I try to feel the presence of Jesus within my heart and it must be there. But (I'm not asking this): What is He thinking? Am I the Virgin of Israel?

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Default Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-10-2018, 04:46 PM

Brother, the problem is when things get mixed up.

For example, this:


https://www.premier.org.uk/News/Worl...vangelism-tool


You know, some misguided Christians pray for this boys, and then everything gets confused. You should punish the ones who pray to false Gods, and reward those who pray for the right God. The only one.


As He is Almighty, Jesus could punish and reward ones and the others at the same time. This is done by killing all the kids, and not killing them, at the same time.


My educated guess is the kids are alive in medical terms, but they are dead on the inside. They will never be the same, if they do not convert to Christianity of course.


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I heard a SEAL was killed in some sort of satanist ritual these heathens do in prayer to their false gods. I've never had a problem with them eating cats (just like rats, only bigger) but a SEAL?
I also heard that they only took 12 boys out. I wonder what happened to the 13th one, did they eat him? Check around, there is no longer any mention of him and all the news sites have been edited as well.


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As always, I was right not to question Jesus. By only asking what He had in mind, once again, Praise Him, answered my questions according to Matthew 7:7.
This incident was totally confusing: heathen prayers were being answered, there were True Prophecies™ by atheist Buddhists, total KJV deprivation etc. etc. But now it all makes sense. This Thai Cave Rescue is to be made into film. And not ANY kind of film but a film of the highest quality imaginable. Glory to Jesus!
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Pure Flix Entertainment, the faith-based production outfit behind the successful God’s Not Dead franchise, is teaming up with Kaos Entertainment on the project, estimated to have a budget of around $45m.

Pure Flix co-founder and CEO Michael Ellis, who is partly based in the country, has been at the rescue site gathering testimony for several days.

“The bravery and heroism I’ve witnessed is incredibly inspiring, so, yes, this will be a movie for us,” Scott told The Hollywood Reporter.

The resulting film, he said, would not be such an overt call to the cross as previous projects, and instead released under diffusion banner Pinnacle Peak, which is releasing a contemporary update of Little Women in September.
God's Not Dead Franchise is probably the only movie producer in addition to the Left Behind films that Jesus totally approves. He must have designed this from the beginning of this debacle. And the producers will use the powerful tool of subliminal persuasion (not an overt call") to gain more souls for Christ! Praise God! And Donald Trump.

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It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:


This incident was verily sown in dishonor - by false religions and their prophets. It was sown in the weakness of human endeavor that used the fallible methods of bravery, expertise, courage, persistence and technology to rescue the boys. Now it is going to be raised in the power that is the film industry. God's Not Dead can easily disregard the confusion of the prayers if the Buddhists and make Jesus the male lead. I am quite certain that He's going to be portrayed by Kirk Cameron!



Elon Musk can be cast with, e.g., Leslie Nielsen's corpse.



The Thai boys can be replaced with CGI's. Jesus wins. I am so proud that I never faltered in my Faith® and never questioned the wisdom of Our Lord! Eventually no-one will remember the original prophecies of the Asiatic people and the image of Jesus will forever burn on the retinas of the unbelievers.




Donald Trump was probably the eminence behind the scenes, as his only goal is to always reunite suffering children with their parents. I am sure that Kirk Cameron has the talent to do a Dual Role as both Jesus and the Donald! There is grandeur in this view of the cave rescue, with Jesus's several powers! From so banal a beginning endless movies most beautiful and most wonderful are now being evolved.




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My parents were talking about this saying that because they don't practice Christianity and instead worship devils that they will forever keep living in poverty, which I believe will lead them to an early death. I really hope these young boys will convert and fast. We have American soldiers helping them right? Does this include giving them The Bible?
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Default Re: The "Thai Cave Rescue" - 13 Boys Saved by the Miracle of a False Prophet?!? - 07-15-2018, 08:24 PM

The question to me I wonder is knowing one life was lost during this whole ordeal - will they now become a martyr, the quintessential noble Asian savage performing a heroic sacrifice so those boys and coach could live?

Me, I think such clumsiness for an so-called experienced diver to suffocate on the job goes to show the how disorganized and ill-prepared those gooks are. Not something that should be glamorized.
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