[Lamya Tempest]

Originally Posted by FreeFromBrains

I was for my 6th form leaving do.

Will you change it

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Here is hard evidence that rational thinking is of the devil:

Individual differences in the tendency to analytically override initially flawed intuitions in reasoning were associated with increased religious disbelief. Four additional experiments provided evidence of causation, as subtle manipulations known to trigger analytic processing also encouraged religious disbelief. Combined, these studies indicate that analytic processing is one factor (presumably among several) that promotes religious disbelief.

[Jedediah]

Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters

Here is hard evidence that rational thinking is of the devil:

Praise and glory. This is exactly why we are warned against trying to understand things and reason things out for ourselves.

Proverbs 3:5-7
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.

Stop thinking and just believe. What's so hard about that? God gave us the Holy Bible precisely so that we don't have to think for ourselves.

And for that matter, don't listen to anybody else or read any books unless they are written by a True Christian™, strong in faith and capable of rightly dividing the Word of God. The unsaved will stop at nothing to sew the seeds of unrighteousness in our minds.

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Don't let the unsaved get in your head! Whenever one starts talking, I stop listening and start reciting Bible verses or singing hymns to myself.

[RationalStinker]

I can tell the users of this sites view of "hard evidence" and mine differ slightly

and comments like dont think just believe, i love them, how naive can someone be, if something doesn't stand up to rational thought you think there might be a reason why?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by RationalThinker

I can tell the users of this sites view of "hard evidence" and mine differ slightly

and comments like dont think just believe, i love them, how naive can someone be, if something doesn't stand up to rational thought you think there might be a reason why?

What do you mean "stand up to rational thought"? That makes it sound almost as if rational thought is some kind of objective measure or something. But we know it's not. One might as well have their ideas "stand up to the PMS rantings of the crazy Cat Lady down the road."

[Rocko the Fat]

Sorry, but there is nothing that loves more God than rational thinking.

Paul is a perfect example of how a Christian shall take doctrines and theology: thinking and reasoning.

Cience is a gift of God.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by Rocko the Cat

Sorry, but there is nothing that loves more God than rational thinking.

Paul is a perfect example of how a Christian shall take doctrines and theology: thinking and reasoning.

Cience is a gift of God.

Please provide Scripture to support your claim.

I've only read the Bible cover-to-cover about 11 times and I seem to have missed that part.

YiC,

Zech

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Rocko the Cat

Sorry, but there is nothing that loves more God than rational thinking.

Paul is a perfect example of how a Christian shall take doctrines and theology: thinking and reasoning.

Cience is a gift of God.

No Scripture, no proof.

[Rocko the Fat]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

No Scripture, no proof.

Well... you have presented a nice speech, but actually did not present any Scripture saying that God hates rational thinking.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Rocko the Cat

Well... you have presented a nice speech, but actually did not present any Scripture saying that God hates rational thinking.

Check the OP, Einstein.

[Rocko the Fat]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

Check the OP, Einstein.

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

Today I would like to discuss a very real threat to any Faithful True Christian™. I speak, of course, about the demonic practice of “rational thinking.”


2 Corinthians 4:3-5:
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.


Genesis 2:16-17:
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:6-7:
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.


Proverbs 2:6-7:
For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.

Proverbs 9:10:
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.


1 Timothy 1:3-4:
As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Ecclesiastes 1:16-18:
I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.


Proverbs 3:5-7:
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.


John 20:29:
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.


Ecclesiastes 7:16:
Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?


James 1:8:
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.


1 Timothy 6:3-5:
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

1 Timothy 6:20-21:
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.



Deuteronomy 29:19-20:
And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.


2 Chronicles 16:12-13:
And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.



1 Samuel 6:19:
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Philippians 4:6-7:
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.


Job 36:26:
Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out.


Isaiah 45:9:
Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?


Ecclesiastes 8:17:
Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.


Matthew 11:25-26:
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.


1 Corinthians 1:18-25:
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


1 Corinthians 2:6-8:
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

1 Corinthians 2:14:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 3:18-20:
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.


1 Corinthians 8:2-3:
And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
But if any man love God, the same is known of him.


1 Corinthians 13:2:
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:8:
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Originally Posted by Rocko the Fat

Well... you have presented a nice speech, but actually did not present any Scripture saying that God hates rational thinking.

and please try not to insult me.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by Rocko the Fat

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

Today I would like..............and please try not to insult me.

You do make it difficult not to. However, on the eve of Jesus rising from the dead, like He Himself did to Himself, it is a day of second chances.

[Rocko the Fat]

I hope to get clearly demostrated that it was not presentewd any bible text saying a single word abou any demoniac practice or any hate of God against the rational thinking.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Rocko the Fat

...and please try not to insult me.

If I can insult you, it just shows that you do not follow the Lord.

Psalm 119:165 "Great peace have they which love thy law: And nothing shall offend them."

So what does a c&p of all the Scripture True Disciple posted showing that God hates rational thinking do (aside from showing that God hates rational thinking)?

[Rocko the Fat]

Originally Posted by Rocko the Fat

I hope to get clearly demostrated that it was not presentewd any bible text saying a single word abou any demoniac practice or any hate of God against the rational thinking.

That is the point.
Rational thinking is not a demoniac practice
God does not hate rational thinking

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Rocko the Fat

That is the point.
Rational thinking is not a demoniac practice
God does not hate rational thinking

You confuse me - haven't you just presented a long line of quotations proving that God hates rational thinking? Can't you read your own post? Did you just copy and paste it without reading?

[Rocko the Fat]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

You confuse me - haven't you just presented a long line of quotations proving that God hates rational thinking? Can't you read your own post? Did you just copy and paste it without reading?

I just posted a long list of verses no one saying a word of any demoniac practice of God hate on rational reasoning.
I will not insist in post any verse beacuse it already cost me 3 infractions. just for posting bible verses.
But the fact is that no one is saying what you claim

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Rocko the Fat

I just posted a long list of verses no one saying a word of any demoniac practice of God hate on rational reasoning...

Yes, they do.

...I will not insist in post any verse beacuse it already cost me 3 infractions. just for posting bible verses...

The _one_ infraction you got in this thread was for repeating a whole wall of Scripture with ONE line of response, and that one line had nothing to do with said wall of Scripture, i.e. wasting God's favourite bandwidth.

...But the fact is that no one is saying what you claim

The (sad) facts are 1) you can't read, and 2) you think that saying, "No, it doesn't" constitutes a valid argument.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Rocko the Fat

I just posted a long list of verses no one saying a word of any demoniac practice of God hate on rational reasoning.
I will not insist in post any verse beacuse it already cost me 3 infractions. just for posting bible verses.
But the fact is that no one is saying what you claim

OK, let's go through the same verses again (just a selection, because I have no patience to explain to you all of them)

Genesis 2:16-17: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Explanation: God doesn't want people to have knowledge.

1 Timothy 1:3-4: As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Explanation: God doesn't want us to be too nosy. Faith, not science, is the way to go.

Proverbs 3:5-7: Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Explanation: God doesn't approve empirical knowledge. Again, faith, not science, is what God wants.

John 20:29: Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Explanation: faith is better than knowledge.

Ecclesiastes 7:16: Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?
Explanation: science/wisdom is a way of self-destruction.

1 Timothy 6:3-5: If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
Explanation: science is a perverse dispute of corrupt minds.

1 Timothy 6:20-21: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
Explanation: science is false and "vain babbling" in the eyes of God.

2 Chronicles 16:12-13: And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians. And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.
Explanation: it's really straight forward, poor guy went to the doctor instead of asking God's help - and he died within two years.

1 Samuel 6:19: And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.
Explanation: again, God doesn't like nosy people.

Job 36:26:Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out.
Explanation: scientific research is useless in the eyes of God.

Isaiah 45:9:
Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
Explanation: haven't I already said that God doesn't like nosy people?

Matthew 11:25-26: At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Explanation: God hates wise people so much, that He hides the truth from them.

1 Corinthians 1:18-25: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Explanation: God hates smart people. Faith, not science, is the way to go.

1 Corinthians 3:18-20:Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
Explanation: Smart people are vain fools in the eyes of God.

1 Corinthians 13:8:Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Explanation: Knowledge is a passing fad.

[Rocko the Fat]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

OK, let's go through the same verses again (just a selection, because I have no patience to explain to you all of them)

Genesis 2:16-17:
Explanation: God doesn't want people to have knowledge.

1 Timothy 1:3-4:
Explanation: God doesn't want us to be too nosy. Faith, not science, is the way to go.

Proverbs 3:5-7:
Explanation: God doesn't approve empirical knowledge. Again, faith, not science, is what God wants.

John 20:29:
Explanation: faith is better than knowledge.

Ecclesiastes 7:16:
Explanation: science/wisdom is a way of self-destruction.

1 Timothy 6:3-5:
Explanation: science is a perverse dispute of corrupt minds.

1 Timothy 6:20-21:
Explanation: science is false and "vain babbling" in the eyes of God.

2 Chronicles 16:12-13:
Explanation: it's really straight forward, poor guy went to the doctor instead of asking God's help - and he died within two years.

1 Samuel 6:19:
Explanation: again, God doesn't like nosy people.

Job 36:26:
Explanation: scientific research is useless in the eyes of God.

Isaiah 45:9:
Explanation: haven't I already said that God doesn't like nosy people?

Matthew 11:25-26:
Explanation: God hates wise people so much, that He hides the truth from them.

1 Corinthians 1:18-25:
Explanation: God hates smart people. Faith, not science, is the way to go.

1 Corinthians 3:18-20:
Explanation: Smart people are vain fools in the eyes of God.

1 Corinthians 13:8:
Explanation: Knowledge is a passing fad.

Explanation: Nowhere we read of a demoniac practice
Explanation: Nowhere we read of God hate rational thinking.
Explanation: Not even read of rational thinking.