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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-14-2012, 09:36 PM
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Are you admitting that you are a fool and that you have no proof?
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14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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-no, I was referring to Mr. Common Sense
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-14-2012, 09:37 PM
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The only proof that God does exist is the bible, right? Yet you believe that the the bible is true because it is the word of God. What you suggest is that the bible is proof for itself. It's a logic thing, though, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.
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No, you are making the statement that God does not exist. It's up to you to support your claim,
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-14-2012, 09:49 PM
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No, you are making the statement that God does not exist. It's up to you to support your claim,
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let me rephrase that. The probability of God existing is unimaginably small. If I told you that a magical, invisible unicorn used me to write a book about the salvation of mankind, would you believe me? Same circumstances. Completely non-credible.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-14-2012, 09:52 PM
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let me rephrase that. The probability of God existing is unimaginably small. If I told you that a magical, invisible unicorn used me to write a book about the salvation of mankind, would you believe me? Same circumstances. Completely non-credible.
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So you can't back up your claim then.
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Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-14-2012, 09:59 PM
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So you can't back up your claim then.
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law of superposition, radioactive decay, erosion, glacial lakes, continental drift, all of these prove that god either does not exist or, if he by some chance he does, is a lier.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-14-2012, 10:05 PM
Also, the only credibility that the bible has is that god says it is true. This is only valid if you already believe in god, which at that point, it has no purpose anymore.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-14-2012, 10:10 PM
Just lots of words.
You are the one making the claim that God does not exist. The burden of proof is on you.
Let's have some proof. That should be simple enough shouldn't it?
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05-14-2012, 10:58 PM
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Just lots of words.
You are the one making the claim that God does not exist. The burden of proof is on you.
Let's have some proof. That should be simple enough shouldn't it?
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I've provided proof, you just lack either the patience or knowledge to read and comprehend any of it.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 05:43 AM
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let me rephrase that. The probability of God existing is unimaginably small. If I told you that a magical, invisible unicorn used me to write a book about the salvation of mankind, would you believe me? Same circumstances. Completely non-credible.
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Do you think that's something you are likely to claim? Because unless it substantially matched the King James Bible (in which case you could have just paraphrased the King James Bible) your unicorn hypothesis is looking a little shaky. In fact really you may as well just leave well alone. Look what happened with the Mormons.
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05-15-2012, 05:55 AM
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let me rephrase that. The probability of God existing is unimaginably small.
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You are just making assumptions based on your denial of Him. How can you say what the probability is? Can you show the calculation?
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 06:39 AM
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You are just making assumptions based on your denial of Him. How can you say what the probability is? Can you show the calculation?
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Lets go to the unicorn example. Can you prove that magical, untraceable unicorns don't exist? No. You and I don't believe in magical unicorns, yet they still could possibly exist, even if it is highly unlikely. I personally don't let that minute possibility dictate my final decision. With that low of chances, I just say that they don't exist until I die or am proved otherwise. This is the same case as Christianity, and I have not seen any proof to make me see things differently, so I will go on thinking so until any real proof does arise.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 06:40 AM
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Lets go to the unicorn example. Can you prove that magical, untraceable unicorns don't exist? No. You and I don't believe in magical unicorns, yet they still could possibly exist, even if it is highly unlikely. I personally don't let that minute possibility dictate my final decision. With that low of chances, I just say that they don't exist until I die or am proved otherwise. This is the same case as Christianity, and I have not seen any proof to make me see things differently, so I will go on thinking so until any real proof does arise.
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Why would anyone go to the bother of proving that something that's self-evidently absurd doesn't exist? Unicorns have Biblical proof, of course, but nothing is said about their invisibility.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 06:51 AM
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Why would anyone go to the bother of proving that something that's self-evidently absurd doesn't exist? Unicorns have Biblical proof, of course, but nothing is said about their invisibility.
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It was obviously just being used as an example. It could just as easily be big foot or some other creature I could think of off the top of my head. Also, just because it isn't mentioned in the bible doesn't mean it can't be true. Does the bible say anything about atoms, molecules, electrons, neutrons, protons, supernovae, black holes, etc?
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 06:55 AM
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It was obviously just being used as an example. It could just as easily be big foot or some other creature I could think of off the top of my head. Also, just because it isn't mentioned in the bible doesn't mean it can't be true. Does the bible say anything about atoms, molecules, electrons, neutrons, protons, supernovae, black holes, etc?
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Why are you so keen to make up false gods. God tells you not to several times. Just another example of the hateful lawlessness of those with no moral compass.
Perhaps there's a very good reason why the Bible doesn't mention these ridiculous inventions of science. Ever seen an atom or a black hole? Thought not. Don't tell me - they're invisible but you've read about them and been told about them
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 07:03 AM
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Why are you so keen to make up false gods. God tells you not to several times. Just another example of the hateful lawlessness of those with no moral compass.
Perhaps there's a very good reason why the Bible doesn't mention these ridiculous inventions of science. Ever seen an atom or a black hole? Thought not. Don't tell me - they're invisible but you've read about them and been told about them
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Ever seen God? Don't tell me - he's invisible. And you've read about him and told me about him. As for morality...I'm not the one who would enjoy watching others burn in hell.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 07:09 AM
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Ever seen God? Don't tell me - he's invisible. And you've read about him and told me about him. As for morality...I'm not the one who would enjoy watching others burn in hell.
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Well of course you won't, since you'll be in the middle of the rest of the sinners, enduring unfathomable torments for all eternity. There's a lot of things you won't like about it if you don't turn your life around and get right with Jesus.
For us True Christians™, though, it won't really bother us what's going on down in the lake of fire with you and the rest of the recalcitrant sinners.
Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Sadness and sorrow will be a thing of the past for those of us in Heaven, pressed against Jesus' bosom for all eternity, praising Him. At most, we may feel a sense of... contented bemusement... at your ceaseless anguish. Praise!
II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power
The man who is being progressively sanctified will inescapably sanctify his home, school, politics, economics, science, and all things else by understanding and interpreting all things in terms of the Word of God and by bringing all things under the Dominion of Christ the King. -R.J. Rushdoony
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 07:29 AM
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Well of course you won't, since you'll be in the middle of the rest of the sinners, enduring unfathomable torments for all eternity. There's a lot of things you won't like about it if you don't turn your life around and get right with Jesus.
For us True Christians™, though, it won't really bother us what's going on down in the lake of fire with you and the rest of the recalcitrant sinners.
Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Sadness and sorrow will be a thing of the past for those of us in Heaven, pressed against Jesus' bosom for all eternity, praising Him. At most, we may feel a sense of... contented bemusement... at your ceaseless anguish. Praise!
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Even if some random person walked into your room while you were sleeping, lit you on fire, and killed you, I would still pity you to some extent. The way you say it, you would just as soon mock and feed off of the dying mans pain than try to help him in any way. Love thy neighbor as yourself? More like urinate on his smoldering corpse.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 07:36 AM
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Even if some random person walked into your room while you were sleeping, lit you on fire, and killed you, I would still pity you to some extent. The way you say it, you would just as soon mock and feed off of the dying mans pain than try to help him in any way. Love thy neighbor as yourself? More like urinate on his smoldering corpse.
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You aren't my neighbor, boy. I suggest you read Pastor Sampson's sermon:
Bible Answers: Who are our neighbors? Who are our brothers and sisters? Who are we to love?
Besides, I am trying to help you. If my heart was not troubled by the fact that you are choosing eternal damnation over Jesus' kind offer of Redemption, would I be spending my time typing this post to share the Good News with you?
You don't have to go to hell, you know. It's not too late to make the necessary changes in your life, that you may join us in Heaven. All you have to do is satisfy the conditions necessary to receive Jesus' unconditional love. It's a gift, freely given. You just have to turn your life over to Him, fear Him, and obey His commandments for the rest of your life. He died (temporarily) for your sins. It's the least you could do.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 07:42 AM
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You aren't my neighbor, boy. I suggest you read Pastor Sampson's sermon:
Bible Answers: Who are our neighbors? Who are our brothers and sisters? Who are we to love?
Besides, I am trying to help you. If my heart was not troubled by the fact that you are choosing eternal damnation over Jesus' kind offer of Redemption, would I be spending my time typing this post to share the Good News with you?
You don't have to go to hell, you know. It's not too late to make the necessary changes in your life, that you may join us in Heaven. All you have to do is satisfy the conditions necessary to receive Jesus' unconditional love. It's a gift, freely given. You just have to turn your life over to Him, fear Him, and obey His commandments for the rest of your life. He died (temporarily) for your sins. It's the least you could do.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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You and me are alike here. We both have the same goal. We both want to help and save others. You want to save them from sin, and I want to them from their narrow-minded, stubborn ways.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-15-2012, 07:52 AM
We are not alike! Unless you lead others to receive Salvation through sanctification of the Spirit, by way of the BLOOD of JESUS, you are not saving anyone. Besides, the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) is clear that we are to have no fellowship with the unsaved.
II Corinthians 6:14-17
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
And what you consider to be narrow-mindedness and stubbornness is just a reflection of the distance you place between yourself and your Creator. The fact that you come to our Christian forum and deny the fruits of the Spirit makes that as clear as day. Your ways are foolishness with the LORD, and they are vain.
I Corinthians 3:18-20
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power
The man who is being progressively sanctified will inescapably sanctify his home, school, politics, economics, science, and all things else by understanding and interpreting all things in terms of the Word of God and by bringing all things under the Dominion of Christ the King. -R.J. Rushdoony
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