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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-12-2011, 10:27 PM

I say burn it. Pour some kerosene and put a lighter to it. Unfortunately, we can't do the same to unsaved Godmockers nowadays (Thank you Romans 13), but you can get the experience of seeing a living, breathing, red-blooded mammal suffer from intense pain from the searing flames until it finally croaks.



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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-13-2011, 12:58 AM

Are you sure it is just a rat and not an atheist? Sometimes, they look the same.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-13-2011, 01:34 AM

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I say burn it. Pour some kerosene and put a lighter to it. Unfortunately, we can't do the same to unsaved Godmockers nowadays (Thank you Romans 13), but you can get the experience of seeing a living, breathing, red-blooded mammal suffer from intense pain from the searing flames until it finally croaks.



Is this, I say, is this the vile little monster to be Tortured to Death? Might I help?

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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-13-2011, 08:36 AM

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I say burn it. Pour some kerosene and put a lighter to it. Unfortunately, we can't do the same to unsaved Godmockers nowadays (Thank you Romans 13), but you can get the experience of seeing a living, breathing, red-blooded mammal suffer from intense pain from the searing flames until it finally croaks.
This is not a bad idea as a visual graphic as to what happens when a girl plays the harlot in the house of her priest father.

Ruth is 12 now.

Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

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Take it to Sunday School, and let the kids stone it to death. But only let them use small stones so they get their aim right.
This is not a bad idea at all either.

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Cut off it's tail and put it under it's mouth, I bet he eats it when he gets hungry.
LOL! She ate it!
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I say burn it. Pour some kerosene and put a lighter to it. Unfortunately, we can't do the same to unsaved Godmockers nowadays (Thank you Romans 13), but you can get the experience of seeing a living, breathing, red-blooded mammal suffer from intense pain from the searing flames until it finally croaks.
When one of my sons brings in an animal, we all dress up as ancient Israelites and offer it up as a burnt offering on the horned altar I built in the back yard. Although we as Christians are no longer required to make animal sacrifices to the LORD, it's a good way to bring the Holy Bible to life for the boys, and I'm sure the LORD doesn't mind the sweet savour of burnt rat, cat, dog, possum, etc.

Leviticus 1:13
But he shall wash the inwards and the legs with water: and the priest shall bring it all, and burn it upon the altar: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.


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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-16-2011, 07:17 AM

Seriously,

What the piffle is wrong with some of you people? Burning animals alive, cutting their tails - what the hell?! Just put the poor creature in a plastic bag and smash its head with a hammer, it'll be dead quickly. There's no reason to torture it and make it suffer unless you're some kind of evil sadist who likes to inflict pain on animals that don't know any better. How can you people call yourself Christians? I'm quite ashamed that there are so called 'devout' followers of God who do these kind of immature, horribly cruel things. Grow up. It might be a pest, but it's only trying to survive and it still feels pain. Don't torture it you sicko.
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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-16-2011, 07:26 AM

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After a while we'd get bored and pour gas on them and set them alight, the chorus of shrieks and screams always freaked us out, as that what we'd imagine burining in hell would be like.
Gee your parents must be real proud.

If it freaked you out, then why did you do it? That's disgusting on many levels. You shouldn't do that.

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God gave us the animals to do with as we please. I'd let your kids torture it for awhile.
God also disapproves of torture like this. Especially when it comes to dumb animals that don't know any better.
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God also disapproves of torture like this. Especially when it comes to dumb animals that don't know any better.
I'd be really interested to see the bit of the Bible that tells us to be kind to animals.

Exodus 21:28-32 28If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. 29But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death. 30If there be laid on him a sum of money, then he shall give for the ransom of his life whatsoever is laid upon him. 31Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him. 32If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.

God's pretty clear about how to dispatch an animal that has offended you.



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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-16-2011, 07:42 AM

God allows us to benefit from the animals. Bible principles allow us to kill animals to provide food and clothing or to protect ourselves from harm. (Genesis 3:21; 9:3; Exodus 21:28) However, life is sacred to God. Our dominion over the animals must be exercised in a balanced way that shows respect for life. The Bible speaks negatively of a man named Nimrod, who apparently killed animals and perhaps humans for the sheer thrill of it.—Genesis 10:9.

Jesus spoke of God’s concern for animals in these words: “Five sparrows sell for two coins of small value, do they not? Yet not one of them goes forgotten before God.” (Luke 12:6) Also, when changing his mind about destroying a city full of practicers of wickedness who had repented, God himself said: “Ought I not to feel sorry for Nineveh the great city, in which there exist more than one hundred and twenty thousand men . . . , besides many domestic animals?” (Jonah 4:11) Obviously, he does not regard animals as just disposable items, to be thrown away at will.

When giving the Israelites laws, God taught them proper care of animals. He required them to return a stray animal to its owner and to help animals in distress. (Exodus 23:4, 5) Animals were to benefit from a Sabbath rest, just like humans. (Exodus 23:12) There were laws governing the proper treatment of farm animals. (Deuteronomy 22:10; 25:4) Obviously, animals were to be cared for and guarded, not exploited.

Proverbs 12:10 explicitly states God’s viewpoint: “The righteous one is caring for the soul of his domestic animal, but the mercies of the wicked ones are cruel.” A Bible commentary renders this verse as follows: “A righteous man’s kindness extends even to dumb animals, but a wicked man is cruel, even when he thinks he is being most gentle.”—Believer’s Bible Commentary, by William MacDonald.

The righteous man treats animals with kindness and seeks to know their needs. A wicked person may vocally express love for animals, but his “mercies,” at best, are actually cruel. His actions betray the selfish motive he has in mind. How true this is of those who pit one animal against another in hopes of winning money!
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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-16-2011, 07:48 AM

A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: But the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.

That means something that serves a function. You can still do whatever you want to with a rat or an animal that was defiled by a human as per Leviticus 20:15

Why do you care? It's just a rat.
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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-16-2011, 08:04 AM

Why do I care? I guess it's because I'm a compassionate individual who respects life, and dislikes unnecessary and over the top cruelty.

Besides, some of the things mentioned here might be illegal. You might think it's morally justifiable, but the law might not (depending on what state you're from). People who torture animals are often violent individuals, and it is well known that serial killers started off torturing helpless animals so the warning sign is there.

And no, you can't "do whatever you want" to animals because I provided clear evidence where that isn't the case. In addition:
“And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?” (Jonah 4:11).



In addition to domesticated animals, God also watches over wild animals and commands us to do the same. In Deuteronomy 22:6-7, God promises a long life to those who will watch over wild birds. If we rape the land or the creatures in it, what will sustain us in the future? He allows for the taking of eggs, but commands that we release the mother bird to continue living in the wild and reproducing as He intended. In Job 38:41, God says that He hears the cries of newborn ravens crying to Him for food. Jesus went on to say that God supplies food for the wild birds and that not one of them falls to the ground without Him knowing it.
Matthew 6:26: "Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"
These small, but kind and practical commands written throughout the Bible give us good insight into how God expects us to treat animals. Surely we will have to answer to Him for any abuse that we have committed against them. God created animals for us to love and to learn from. In them, we see our own dependance upon God illustrated in their dependance upon us. We can also see elements of our foolishness manifested in them (who has not seen a crowing rooster and laughed at the comic caricature of ourselves crowing to all the world in our foolish pride at times?) In addition, God also tells us to learn from their wisdom:
"Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest" (Proverbs 6:6-8).
(Job 12:7-10 KJV) "But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind."
Although worship of animals as deities is strictly forbidden in Scripture, we are to respect them as a part of God's creation. Some believe that because only humans were created in God's image, they alone are worthy of respect and care. Yet, the Bible tells us that even the angels were not created in God's image, yet we are to respect them! We are to respect all of God's created order, not to worship facets of it, but to see in it the same call that we ourselves have, which is to glorify God. All of God's creation was made with the ability and the power to glorify Him, each in different ways. In this, animals, as well as humans, share a common element with the rest of creation. Perhaps the words from these Psalms say it best of all (emphasis added):
Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him from the heights above.
Praise him all his angels, praise him, all his heavenly hosts.
Praise him, sun and moon, praise him all you shining stars.
Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies.
Let them praise the name of the Lord, for he commanded and they were created.
He set them in place forever and ever; he gave a decree that will never pass away.
Praise the Lord from the earth, you great sea creatures and all ocean depths, lightening and hail, snow and clouds, stormy winds that do his bidding, you mountains and all hills, fruit trees and all cedars, wild animals and all cattle, small creatures and flying birds kings of the earth and all nations, you princes and all rulers on earth young men and maidens, old men and children.
Let them praise the name of the Lord, for His name alone is exalted;
His splendor is above the earth and the heavens (Psalm 148: 1-13).
Let everything that has breath praise the Lord (Psalm 150:6).
Some people don't abuse animals, but go to the opposite extreme and place animals above human life. This was not God's intention either, but rather that He wanted to bless mankind with a wonderful world of creatures that we could enjoy and with that enjoyment, He also holds us responsible, as to how we treat and care for them. May we all take that responsibility seriously, as we shall be judged for the way we treat animals and all of God's creation.
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None of your crazy scripture twisting makes sense. Leaving the mother bird to lay more eggs makes sense if you want to keep on collecting eggs and God's very wise to point that out.

God wisely points out that we are better than the fowls of the air. What's your point?

All the rest just says God is omnipotent and made everything. Big deal!



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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-16-2011, 10:11 AM

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Why do I care? I guess it's because I'm a compassionate individual who respects life, and dislikes unnecessary and over the top cruelty.

Besides, some of the things mentioned here might be illegal. You might think it's morally justifiable, but the law might not (depending on what state you're from).
I ask that you give me a state who gives a rat's ass what you do to a rat.

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And no, you can't "do whatever you want" to animals because I provided clear evidence where that isn't the case. In addition:
“And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?” (Jonah 4:11).


God was ready to do it. He only turned His anger away because the capital of a massive empire capitulated to a single prophet from a different religion. Proof that it's true.

On the other hand you have.

1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Why not rats?
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Why do I care? I guess it's because I'm a compassionate individual who respects life, and dislikes unnecessary and over the top cruelty.
Then why do you torture us with your posts?


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Seriously,

What the piffle is wrong with some of you people? Burning animals alive, cutting their tails - what the hell?! Just put the poor creature in a plastic bag and smash its head with a hammer, it'll be dead quickly. There's no reason to torture it and make it suffer unless you're some kind of evil sadist who likes to inflict pain on animals that don't know any better. How can you people call yourself Christians? I'm quite ashamed that there are so called 'devout' followers of God who do these kind of immature, horribly cruel things. Grow up. It might be a pest, but it's only trying to survive and it still feels pain. Don't torture it you sicko.
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Default Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it? - 08-16-2011, 03:35 PM

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Gee your parents must be real proud.

If it freaked you out, then why did you do it? That's disgusting on many levels. You shouldn't do that.



God also disapproves of torture like this. Especially when it comes to dumb animals that don't know any better.

My parents were proud. They knew we had mastery over all the animals Gen 1:26 and they knew that we knew what hell would be like for unsaved trash like you Rev 20:10

Just a few of the examples I can use. The rats are/were tools of learning and again the bible is clear on wisdom and knowledge Exodus 31:3 and James 1:5-8 are just some examples.


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Why do I care? I guess it's because I'm a compassionate individual who respects life, and dislikes unnecessary and over the top cruelty.

Besides, some of the things mentioned here might be illegal. You might think it's morally justifiable, but the law might not (depending on what state you're from). People who torture animals are often violent individuals, and it is well known that serial killers started off torturing helpless animals so the warning sign is there.

And no, you can't "do whatever you want" to animals because I provided clear evidence where that isn't the case. In addition:
“And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?” (Jonah 4:11).



In addition to domesticated animals, God also watches over wild animals and commands us to do the same. In Deuteronomy 22:6-7, God promises a long life to those who will watch over wild birds. If we rape the land or the creatures in it, what will sustain us in the future? He allows for the taking of eggs, but commands that we release the mother bird to continue living in the wild and reproducing as He intended. In Job 38:41, God says that He hears the cries of newborn ravens crying to Him for food. Jesus went on to say that God supplies food for the wild birds and that not one of them falls to the ground without Him knowing it.
Matthew 6:26: "Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"
These small, but kind and practical commands written throughout the Bible give us good insight into how God expects us to treat animals. Surely we will have to answer to Him for any abuse that we have committed against them. God created animals for us to love and to learn from. In them, we see our own dependance upon God illustrated in their dependance upon us. We can also see elements of our foolishness manifested in them (who has not seen a crowing rooster and laughed at the comic caricature of ourselves crowing to all the world in our foolish pride at times?) In addition, God also tells us to learn from their wisdom:
"Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest" (Proverbs 6:6-8).
(Job 12:7-10 KJV) "But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind."
Although worship of animals as deities is strictly forbidden in Scripture, we are to respect them as a part of God's creation. Some believe that because only humans were created in God's image, they alone are worthy of respect and care. Yet, the Bible tells us that even the angels were not created in God's image, yet we are to respect them! We are to respect all of God's created order, not to worship facets of it, but to see in it the same call that we ourselves have, which is to glorify God. All of God's creation was made with the ability and the power to glorify Him, each in different ways. In this, animals, as well as humans, share a common element with the rest of creation. Perhaps the words from these Psalms say it best of all (emphasis added):
Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him from the heights above.
Praise him all his angels, praise him, all his heavenly hosts.
Praise him, sun and moon, praise him all you shining stars.
Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies.
Let them praise the name of the Lord, for he commanded and they were created.
He set them in place forever and ever; he gave a decree that will never pass away.
Praise the Lord from the earth, you great sea creatures and all ocean depths, lightening and hail, snow and clouds, stormy winds that do his bidding, you mountains and all hills, fruit trees and all cedars, wild animals and all cattle, small creatures and flying birds kings of the earth and all nations, you princes and all rulers on earth young men and maidens, old men and children.
Let them praise the name of the Lord, for His name alone is exalted;
His splendor is above the earth and the heavens (Psalm 148: 1-13).
Let everything that has breath praise the Lord (Psalm 150:6).
Some people don't abuse animals, but go to the opposite extreme and place animals above human life. This was not God's intention either, but rather that He wanted to bless mankind with a wonderful world of creatures that we could enjoy and with that enjoyment, He also holds us responsible, as to how we treat and care for them. May we all take that responsibility seriously, as we shall be judged for the way we treat animals and all of God's creation.


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