[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Originally Posted by minister noddy

Whoops, sorry! ... forgetting that history, tradition and logic are not allowed here

What a load of nonsense! We follow only the purest logic, as deviating from the KJV1611 Bible is the most illogical thing anyone could ever do.
So now that I've completely put that argument to bed forever, let's talk about history and tradition.
Whose history and tradition?
"[A]ll Catholic popes are officially considered successors to St Peter, in the apostolic tradition -- and that great basilica at the Vatican is named after Peter the Apostle -- Basilica St Peter, catholicism's most sacred shrine."
Officially, you say? Officially by whom? By the themselves, of course. There is no great Council Of Denominations that keeps track of these things. I don't know much about the Greek Orthodox "Church" other than they are not Baptists, but I'm sure they would disagree with this "officially" nonsense. I guarantee you Baptists don't see them as such. There is certainly no direct line between Peter and the catlicks, and no indisputable historical record after the Bible.
And what does naming their satanic temple after Peter have to do with anything? If it was built and blessed by Peter himself, then you'd have something, but anyone can build something and give it any name they want.

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by Sister Mary Maria

What a load of nonsense! We follow only the purest logic ...

... And what does naming their satanic temple after Peter have to do with anything? If it was built and blessed by Peter himself, then you'd have something, but anyone can build something and give it any name they want

Peter, who walked with Jesus, was executed and martyred at that location, and later the Basilica was built around the site of the obelisk -- so it is a shine in honor of St Peter -- and the tradition has been maintained for centuries -- what more could you possibly want?

[SalvationSeeker]

Originally Posted by minister noddy

Whoops, sorry! ... forgetting that history, tradition and logic are not allowed here

... minister noddy repenting of sins

What logic would thatbe, fool? I've yet to see any from you.
The fact that they CONSIDER (ie THINK) they have built their Church on Peter, is not proof in any way, and thinking it is.. is anything BUT logical.

But of course, I don't expect a fool like you to realize your own foolishness, in your own eyes I am sure you must appear very logical..
It's just too bad that you have beams in them, and scales over them..

Originally Posted by minister noddy

Peter, who walked with Jesus, was executed and martyred at that location, and later the Basilica was built around the site of the obelisk -- so it is a shine in honor of St Peter --

Says who? Oh, that's right.. the cathylicks do. Guess that must make it true eh?
And I can't talk to you more now, as I'm off to ask a neo-nazi about the holocaust, as I am sure that will give me the truth of the matter.

A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.
Proverbs 9:13

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker

What logic would that be, fool? I've yet to see any from you.

The fact that they CONSIDER (ie THINK) they have built their Church on Peter, is not proof in any way, and thinking it is.. is anything BUT logical.

But of course, I don't expect a fool like you to realize your own foolishness, in your own eyes I am sure you must appear very logical..

It's just too bad that you have beams in them, and scales over them..


Says who? Oh, that's right.. the cathylicks do. Guess that must make it true eh?

And I can't talk to you more now, as I'm off to ask a neo-nazi about the holocaust, as I am sure that will give me the truth of the matter.

A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.
Proverbs 9:13

Remember that I'm not a Catholic, I'm an Anglican --

You know of course that I am not going to abandon my ministry as an Anglican, and will not just throw away all the history and tradition of centuries as if none of it matters --

Never mind that I took Jesus as my saviour years ago, that Jesus himself knows that, and our relationship is between Jesus and me -- whatever my faults, I have faith the Lord will deal with me as he sees fit --

Now you don't believe it, of course -- but so be it, I do respect what you think you believe, because that too is between you and God.

[SalvationSeeker]

Originally Posted by minister noddy

Remember that I'm not a Catholic, I'm an Anglican --

What's the difference?
You're both going to hell for violating God's commandments.

You know of course that I am not going to abandon my ministry as an Anglican,

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:12

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;
But they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:34

and will not just throw away all the history and tradition of centuries as if none of it matters --

I know the historic fact that Peter was never in Rome, nor did he preach to gentiles.
And I know the historic fact that the cathylicks have always claimed he did, even though it is untrue.
And I know it's their tradition to claim this, and to claim that he is buried under their idolatrous "church" in Rome, even though it is untrue.

So I'm not throwing anything away, I'm just telling you what's what.

Never mind that I took Jesus as my saviour years ago, that Jesus himself knows that, and our relationship is between Jesus and me -- whatever my faults, I have faith the Lord will deal with me as he sees fit --

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; But he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
And in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:21-23

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4

Now you don't believe it, of course -- but so be it, I do respect what you think you believe, because that too is between you and God.

I know that God is true but every man a liar.. (Romans 3:4)
So I rather believe what God has said in His Word, the Holy Bible, and He says that one like you, that keep not the commandments, is a liar:
So it's either you or God who is.. are you calling God a liar?

Get back into the kitchen, woman. It's not fit for you to try and teach as you are feeble minded and easily deceived by the devil.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:14

Praise Jesus!

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker

The cathylick church was really founded by Damasus I, NOT Peter.

Although it's worth noting that Damsus I was married as well.

Originally Posted by minister noddy

Whoops, sorry! ... forgetting that history, tradition and logic are not allowed here

Did you really just equate Catholic tradition and Catholic history with logic?

Originally Posted by minister noddy

Peter, who walked with Jesus, was executed and martyred at that location, and later the Basilica was built around the site of the obelisk -- so it is a shine in honor of St Peter -- and the tradition has been maintained for centuries -- what more could you possibly want?

Friend, when Jesus kills you for blaspheming against Him, I could relieve my bowels all over your grave, then call it the shrine of "minister" Noddy and Big Ears too, but would that mean you endorsed it?

[Sister Noddy]

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

Friend, when Jesus kills you for blaspheming against Him, I could relieve my bowels all over your grave, then call it the shrine of "minister" Noddy and Big Ears too, but would that mean you endorsed it?

Um ... am I gonna I get slammed for asking this ... who is Big Ears?

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

Although it's worth noting that Damsus I was married as well.

Of course he was. I remember a year ago or so, when you quoted from the book "Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven" by Uta Ranke-Heinemann - proving that the celibacy practiced by Catlicks is simply a linear descendant of the cultic castration practiced by various PAGAN cults in the Roman empire.

Here's an illustration from 1475-1480 showing how a Cybele's priest (complete with tonsure) castrates himself:



The book is by Augustinus, La Cité de Dieu, and you can get a larger image here.

Here's a picture from the same book showing 4 priests castrating themselves simultaneously (Cybele and the pope must be proud):



There's a larger version here and more examples here and here.

Sometimes you wonder how Catholicism is able to spread so fast.

[lilith]

Originally Posted by Prune Danish

Of course he was. I remember a year ago or so, when you quoted from the book "Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven" by Uta Ranke-Heinemann - proving that the celibacy practiced by Catlicks is simply a linear descendant of the cultic castration practiced by various PAGAN cults in the Roman empire.

Here's an illustration from 1475-1480 showing how a Cybele's priest (complete with tonsure) castrates himself:

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The book is by Augustinus, La Cité de Dieu, and you can get a larger image here.

Here's a picture from the same book showing 4 priests castrating themselves simultaneously (Cybele and the pope must be proud):

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There's a larger version here and more examples here and here.

Sometimes you wonder how Catholicism is able to spread so fast.

Jeez! Those early Christians were awfully keen on cutting off their Goolies,weren't they!

Bit of an insult to God,messing with his creation.

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by lilith

Jeez! Those early Christians were awfully keen on cutting off their Goolies,weren't they!

Bit of an insult to God,messing with his creation.

Not early Christians, early Catholics. Big difference.

[lilith]

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

Not early Christians, early Catholics. Big difference.

Very little difference - they identified themselves as Christians,followers of JC & de book.

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by lilith

Very little difference - they identified themselves as Christians,followers of JC & de book.

And I could "identify myself" as a Ukranian sailor, but that wouldn't mean I'd caught VD off you, would it?

[lilith]

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

And I could "identify myself" as a Ukranian sailor, but that wouldn't mean I'd caught VD off you, would it?

You should be so lucky!