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Originally Posted by Shela Tansper
From what i have heard there may be some stubble burning in some of the adjacent fields this weekend
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Hi Shela
deliveries of fertilizer are also handy at this time of year - well rotted horse &/or pig manure are best; about 20 tons ought to do it. Good luck!
...........meanwhile, there has been a doubting Thomas asking questions,
viz.
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Originally Posted by Jo Freddie
That does not change the fact that secular Law my have been contravened, are you saying that the above contradicts Titus 3:1, Hebrews 13:17, 1st Peter 2:13-15, and Romans 13:2-6?
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First of all I need to acknowledge that some of my scribblings might have been over enthusiastic yesterday (or the day before?) - the salt was rather bitter, as usually pertains when unsaved colleagues are sleeping over.
Thank you Mr. Freddie for your kind post - I believe that you are being guided in your doubts to a brighter world where faith not ruined “logic” reigns.
JOHN 1:4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. It is not my place to offer instruction here - but I think it is acceptable to look at scripture.
You quoted 4 references, which I will consult immediately..
TITUS 3:1a
Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates..
Because our understanding is limited, we are not left agog with your quote.
Proverbs 10:13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found… Understanding in this instance comes by the ladle full through the pen of Paul, and his letter to Titus has been preserved so that we, too, may understand. There is a reason why we should be prepared to obey magistrates etc.,
TITUS 3: 1b
..to be ready to every good work
Bowing down to demons - and any created wretch requiring one to bow down before it is, of course, demon-controlled (so that the occupying demon might thereby be “worshipped”) - is not covered by the expression “every good work”. This is
not logic. God
tells us so:
Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them
This is your 2nd quote:
HEBREWS 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. God immediately directs the writer’s hand to make clear His intention - we are not abandoned to satanic “logic” or false reason - we are told, again in the very next verse:
Hebrews 13:18 Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly. Subservience to demons is not living honestly, and not everything that thinks it
has the rule over us actually does.
Your 3rd reference is:
1 PETER 2: 13 - 15 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
Often people take passages out of context and then apply false reason to arrive at an erroneous conclusion. When God has provided a complete and inerrant instruction manual for life
HALLELUJAH erroneous conclusions, along with the certainty
of HELL
become a thing of the past.
That feeling inside you right now, Mr. Freddie, is the words
PRAISE HIM ! ! standing by, because when your heart believeth, your mouth will spontaneously confess Him King Of Glory
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. That confession is available to you right now.
Meanwhile, to contextualise the 1st Peter verses, it is only necessary to read the
next verse
1 Peter 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. and just in case that is not sufficiently plain, God repeats Himself through Peter’s hand
1 Peter 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
It would be inappropriate for me to remind you that details re. fearing God are to be found in the documents of the Hexateuch, or to suggest reading Acts 5, but you may nevertheless feel moved to glance over those passages. Especially Acts 5.
Your 4th
reference was to
ROMANS 13: 2 - 6 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. I am puzzled why you did not include
Romans 13: 1 - perhaps (anticipating my answer) you are laying a trap for me? Permit me to fall in;
Romans 13: 1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
The subsequent verses, then, refer to “The higher powers. The powers that are ordained of God.” No reference to the lower powers, the powers that are ordained of satan. That is because they are not powers. They might want to be. They might think they are. But they are not, and we are not subject to them.
•The theme recurs everywhere. By all means accept the authority of government, as we might say today. But reject the authority of satan - he doesn’t like to be mocked, so I’ll just have a little giggle here at his expense
When in Egypt, the reasonable authority of the Pharaohs was accepted, but when a really rotten Pharaoh turned up,
POOF! bang went the authority, because it ceased to be Divinely appointed, human implemented authority and became satanic appointed, demon inspired non-authority.
MICAH 7: 15 - 17 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things. The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf. They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth ..no mention of their “subjects” obeying them!
1 CORINTHIANS 15: 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
ROMANS 6: 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
1 THESSALONIANS 4: 2 & 3 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
If a law were passed requiring me to serve as a temple prostitute, that would be a demonic law, and I would not be required to comply. I suppose if forced, I might have no choice, a bit like the slaves in Egypt. But not like Miss Gomer.
HOSEA 1: 2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.
1:3 So he went and took Gomer
Mordecai did not bow down.