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Default HOMELESS PEOPLE - SHOULD WE HELP THEM? - 05-06-2008, 01:26 PM

I was wondering about homeless folks and street bums just the other day. Should we be helping them? I remember being approached by a beggar just a few years ago, on my way to performing a guest sermon at a neighbors Church. He came up to me and asked me for some loose change. Naturally I obliged.

But I couldn't help but notice the distinct lack of personal hygene he had. To be perfectly frank, he stank of cheap alcohol, stale urine and something unmentionable. It was utterly revolting! How could another human being get himself in such a worthless state?

I spoke to Randy about it, and he told me these people are trash, and lower than Satanists. He said that many of them are pedophiles, criminals, drug-addicts and baby-rapists, who live on the streets to evade justice. They are scum of society. He also said we should NOT be helping to fund their degenerate lifestyles, and feed their drug-habits.

Can anyone tell me if we should be giving money to these stinking drug-addled junkie vagrant tramp pieces of vermin? What would Jesus do?

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Default Re: HOMELESS PEOPLE - SHOULD WE HELP THEM? - 05-06-2008, 01:44 PM

It would probably be the good thing to do, to help them, but are they willing to change? Maybe your efforts would be better spent trying to help people who you know have a better likelihood of finding Jesus. I think if they straighten themselves out and come to you for help then that would be the appropriate time.


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Default Re: HOMELESS PEOPLE - SHOULD WE HELP THEM? - 05-06-2008, 07:27 PM

I know you all like to talk about Jesus but wasn't he the one who sought the companion of those who were least loved by society??
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I know you all like to talk about Jesus but wasn't he the one who sought the companion of those who were least loved by society??
Son, there is a great difference between 'the poor' and 'worthless scumbag street-beggars, who hate God, kidnap children, and rape little babies'. Surely you can see that? I really don't understand these people. Why don't they just go out and get jobs like the rest of us? They contribute nothing to society, but urine and excrement in Church doorways, and probably stink worse than the bowels of Hell itself! Seriously, have you ever had to thrown one of these pathetic animals out your Church? God's house is for REAL Christians, NOT TRASH!
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Default Re: HOMELESS PEOPLE - SHOULD WE HELP THEM? - 05-07-2008, 07:18 AM

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I was wondering about homeless folks and street bums just the other day. Should we be helping them?
God is omniscient and omnipotent, correct?

(That means he is all-knowing and all-powerful, for our less-Godly guests.)

As a result, nothing on this Earth happens with both His knowledge and His acceptance of it, since He can change anything He desires, but doesn't. In other words, everything is God's Will.

Some would say that these things "just happen" as a result of human free choice; however, since God knows in advance what we're going to do, then He could also tell us not to do something and save us from making a grave error (like voting Democratic, or wearing white after Labor Day).

If He does not tell us to do or not do something, either through His Word (so many commandments!) or through divine revelation, then it is safe to assume that we are following His Will.

The homeless man is homeless because it is God's Will. Perhaps he is being tested. Perhaps he is a glutton or a winebibber, and is being punished. Maybe God made a bet with Satan, as He did about Job, and is torturing the homeless man by destroying his life, just to win two bits from Satan. Who knows?

GOD KNOWS, that's who. Not you, and not me.

Who are we to second-guess God? I'm certainly not going to, are you?

Therefore, it is my position that we should recognize that others' misfortune is the result of God's Will. We should help everyone to get right with God, but we should not interfere with whatever punishment -- poverty, disease, an abusive and ugly wife, a natural disaster, whatever -- the Good Lord has seen fit to mete out upon them.

That would be blasphemy!

I believe Mrs. Betty Bowers wrote an article on the subject of helping the homeless once. She likes to tie Chick Tracts to rocks or bricks, and gently toss them to the homeless from her moving limousine. Perhaps you'd like to try something like that?

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Jesus was in fact homeless Himself, turn with me in your KJV to:

Luke 9.58: And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Now, everyone knows that Jesus planned it like that, it helped him to remain humble. What with being God and all, I'm sure that was difficult at times just considering the losers he hung out with (you mention them above).

Now, turn in your KJV to:

2 Thessalonians 3.10: For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Apparently, if you are Jesus and being homeless assists you in your ministry efforts then it is fine, otherwise it is an indication of worthlessness.

If the KJV says that they should not eat, then I must respect that and withhold vittles from the worthless, pant peeing, stinky losers...
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I know you all like to talk about Jesus but wasn't he the one who sought the companion of those who were least loved by society??
Well He sure didn't hang out with any Belgian queers, now did He.

The sinners Jesus spent time with were REPENTANT sinners. Their sins were removed by Jesus, just like when He healed a few leopards. Use your eyes and read the Bible. Why would He want to rub elbows with unsaved scum?


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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: HOMELESS PEOPLE - SHOULD WE HELP THEM? - 05-07-2008, 02:18 PM

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Why would He want to rub elbows with unsaved scum?

Because He is Jesus and He loves everyone, even those who have fallen into sin.
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Because He is Jesus and He loves everyone, even those who have fallen into sin.
Snot,

Where on earth did you learn this heretical rant? Jesus only loved Christians, he hated many others, turn with me if you will in your KJV to:

Luke 14.26: If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

See, clearly Jesus hated a lot of people and expected us to do the same. You need to read your King James Bible son, you are truly deluded with all this lovey dovey mumbo jumbo. I fear Satan is leading you astray.


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Where on earth did you learn this heretical rant? Jesus only loved Christians, he hated many others, turn with me if you will in your KJV to:

Luke 14.26: If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

See, clearly Jesus hated a lot of people and expected us to do the same. You need to read your King James Bible son, you are truly deluded with all this lovey dovey mumbo jumbo. I fear Satan is leading you astray.

So, basically you are saying that Jesus hated everybody, because we may not forget that Christianity didn't exist when Christ was alive, it all began after he died and went to heaven.

And the Luke 14.26, It doesn't even apply anymore because this was only viable when Christ was still alive and walking the earth. It's merely a comment that being a follower of the living Christ demands that you don't have anybody that is close to you as this would have been a burden to carry around.
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So, basically you are saying that Jesus hated everybody, because we may not forget that Christianity didn't exist when Christ was alive, it all began after he died and went to heaven.

And the Luke 14.26, It doesn't even apply anymore because this was only viable when Christ was still alive and walking the earth. It's merely a comment that being a follower of the living Christ demands that you don't have anybody that is close to you as this would have been a burden to carry around.
You retard! Quote me a verse (KJV Only) that says that the gospels are now all defunct since Jesus no longer physically walks the earth. You Satanist! You should be stoned for even considering that option...


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Dear Mr/Ms Snot,

Jesus was in fact homeless Himself, turn with me in your KJV to:

Luke 9.58: And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Now, everyone knows that Jesus planned it like that, it helped him to remain humble. What with being God and all, I'm sure that was difficult at times just considering the losers he hung out with (you mention them above).

Now, turn in your KJV to:

2 Thessalonians 3.10: For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Apparently, if you are Jesus and being homeless assists you in your ministry efforts then it is fine, otherwise it is an indication of worthlessness.

If the KJV says that they should not eat, then I must respect that and withhold vittles from the worthless, pant peeing, stinky losers...
Wise Words Brother Don. I have now had a few cards printed with those very verses. Instead of handing out money , which inter alia, would cause them to be slaves to Mammon, I give them a card. Spiritual help is what is required.





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You retard! Quote me a verse (KJV Only) that says that the gospels are now all defunct since Jesus no longer physically walks the earth. You Satanist! You should be stoned for even considering that option...
Those gospels tell us about the life of Jesus and the things he said back then, not everything applies today as some things just don't take place in the modern times.
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Default Re: HOMELESS PEOPLE - SHOULD WE HELP THEM? - 05-07-2008, 03:02 PM

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Those gospels tell us about the life of Jesus and the things he said back then, not everything applies today as some things just don't take place in the modern times.
Yeah, yeah, you and you new age queer friends that think that it is up to you to pick and choose what words of my savior apply to you and which ones do not. That is why you queers are so easy on, well..., queers, because you don't think Jesus really hated rump-rangers and pee-pee pullers.


You make me sick, , you retard


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Default Re: HOMELESS PEOPLE - SHOULD WE HELP THEM? - 05-07-2008, 03:08 PM

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Clearly you have forgotten Titus Chapter 3 verse 2.
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Clearly you have forgotten Titus Chapter 3 verse 2.
And clearly you skipped Titus 2.15 (These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.) in your mad rush to 3.2.

You must also have stopped at 3.2 because I see that 3.3 addresses you specifically and you mentioneth it not (For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.)

I have attempted time and again (as has Bathfire) to show you the love of Christ and you would have no part of it, so you are on your own now heretic. But we still love you and will pray to Baby Jesus for you, retard.


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Default Re: HOMELESS PEOPLE - SHOULD WE HELP THEM? - 05-07-2008, 04:10 PM

We don't have homeless people where I live, but I don't think they need any help. Any money you give them is going to go towards booze and smack. If I did run across the rare homeless person who was truly down on his luck and not addicted to something, I might offer him advice to find employment, but that's about it.
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Default Re: HOMELESS PEOPLE - SHOULD WE HELP THEM? - 05-07-2008, 04:15 PM

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We don't have homeless people where I live, but I don't think they need any help. Any money you give them is going to go towards booze and smack. If I did run across the rare homeless person who was truly down on his luck and not addicted to something, I might offer him advice to find employment, but that's about it.

This is true, many are addicted (either booze or drugs) and any money you give them would indeed go to his habbits. But that doesn't mean we can't help them, we could like Eugene puts it here send them of towards employment, on the condition that they are not addicted to anything. If they are addicted they should be send of to rehab and then towards employment.
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