[Jedediah]

Friends,

My sister and her husband in Colorado have been trying for years to have children. Rather than praying for and relying upon the LORD's succor, they turned to secular science to open her womb. My mother tells me that Eunice was going into the doctor on a regular basis to get a bunch of hormone shots in her belly. They were finally able to conceive, and until today, she was about 7 months along in her pregnancy.

My mother called earlier this evening to inform me that Eunice miscarried her baby this morning and asked me to give her a call some time in the next couple of days to give her some support in this difficult time. I think the best support I can offer is to put this matter in the perspective of God's Word.

There are two points I wish to stress:

• Her baby is dead because she put her faith in secular science rather than in the LORD; and

• Her dead baby is in hell because it did not have a chance to accept Jesus.

I have the first part covered. However, I realize that presenting her with the Bible Facts that indicate her unborn child is in hell could come across as rather indelicate and quite possibly ruffle some feathers if I am too forward. This is important for her to understand, though, and I would be doing her a grave disservice to just brush it under the rug and pretend like that's not the case.

Scripture is very clear that children are born into sin:

Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

When anyone dies without accepting Jesus Christ as their personal LORD and Savior, they are doomed to spend eternity in the lake of fire with satan and his minions, whether they are young or old. God chooses who will stand among His elect and who is preordained to eternal torments from the time before they are even a glimmer in their parents' eyes.

John 6:64-65
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

In fact, if God does not want you in Heaven, He will see to it Himself that you become deluded and blind to His Truth.

II Thessalonians 2:11-12
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

It is pretty clear to me that miscarried babies are just trash souls that God didn't want in Heaven in the first place, so He's just saving everyone the trouble of having them born into the world at all.

Which brings me back to my original question:
How do I broach this potentially delicate matter with my sister? She at least calls herself a Christian, so she should hopefully be able to understand.

Thanks in advance for the advice!

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by Jedediah

How do I broach this potentially delicate matter with my sister? She at least calls herself a Christian, so she should hopefully be able to understand.

Thanks in advance for the advice!

Brother Jedediah, I think that is the key part of your post.

As a Christian, she should welcome your scriptural analysis of events...if my thinking is right, I imagine it will bring the both of you even closer together. She will be comforted in the knowledge that God has seen fit to intervene.

In fact, this could be the basis for a celebration, that the Word of God has been brought so powerfully and distinctly into your lives. This could be the start of an annual celebration for your family!



Yours in Christ,

Zechariah Smyth

[Lycia The Repentant]

Well Brother Jedediah, I think I might be able to help you. I was looking through my Bible searching for an answer to your question, and the Holy Spirt led me to 1 Kings 17, and a possible solution.

Have you tried praying for the miscarried baby's revival? Scripture shows us that God will occasionally grant these sort of prayers, provided a True Christian™ is the one that is praying.

"And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him. And she said unto Elijah, What have I to do with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance, and to slay my son? And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed. And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son? And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived. And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son liveth. And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth." 1 Kings 17:17-24


Of course, if God DOES decide to grant this prayer, the baby would still probably be one of those weird premie babies (), but other than being gross, I don't see any reason why that miscarried baby couldn't accept Jesus and live a full, Christian life.


On the other hand, I think it's pretty rare for Jesus to answer these types of prayers, so if it doesn't work out, maybe you could remind her that if she truly accepts Him and follows all His commandments she could spend eternity at God's side, rejoicing at her unborn child burning in Hell.

"He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision." Psalm 2:4

Anyways, whatever happens, know that I am praying your sinful sister sees the light of the Lord.

Your's in Him,

Sister Lycia

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Jedediah

How do I broach this potentially delicate matter with my sister? She at least calls herself a Christian, so she should hopefully be able to understand.

Did she properly beat the child before it was born?

Proverbs 23:13-14 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."

If she didn't properly beat the child, which is often the case, you can use this to make clear to her that she is to blame for her child being in Hell! It's important to make these matters clear to her. She will probably end up in Hell herself as well for doing this to her child. Did her husband trade her in for a better wife yet?

[True Disciple]

I think that, when you confront her with this Biblical Truth™, you should bring it gradually, and focus on the positive parts, as True Christians™ have always done.

After all, the Bible teaches to thank God under everything, even if our unborn children are sent to Hell:

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18:
Rejoice evermore.
Pray without ceasing.
In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Praise Jesus!

[Born Again Bob]

Singing telegram!
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[Jedediah]

Originally Posted by True Disciple

I think that, when you confront her with this Biblical Truth™, you should bring it gradually, and focus on the positive parts, as True Christians™ have always done.

Indeed. I do plan to stress the fact that I am destined for eternal bliss at Jesus' side, singing praise songs and living in a grand Heavenly Estate (John 14:1-3). In doing so, I hope she will reflect upon the contrast between what awaits those who accept Jesus and those who do not.

I think it will bring her closer to God.
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[James Hutchins]

Do not be a fluffy bunny. God watches how you handle yourself and if you waffle, He will question your devotion.
My first wife miscarried the day before she went missing. As soon as I heard about it, I had one of the people that works in the house and fetch her to my study. I asked why she killed Gods baby? I inquired as to what right she thought she had to steal the child from Jesus. Her shame caused her to cry and blubber. I could not make out a word she was saying. I slapped her a few times to get her to quit. She finally fell silent after a dozen or so (maybe more, who counts love) swats. I showed her picture books of Hell with babies boiling in the sulfurous brimstone.

I explained to her that the baby was damned to Hell unless we raised it right and taught it about Jesus. I impressed into her that her evil deed doomed the child to an eternity of torture. I had the staff drag her to the basement prayer closet to reflect on her deeds. The following morning she was gone. Two months later, we found her down inside a capped off well. She is with her baby now.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Originally Posted by Jedediah

Indeed. I do plan to stress the fact that I am destined for eternal bliss at Jesus' side, singing praise songs and living in a grand Heavenly Estate (John 14:1-3). In doing so, I hope she will reflect upon the contrast between what awaits those who accept Jesus and those who do not.

I think it will bring her closer to God.
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I would be sure to remind her that once she gets to eternal paradise separated from her child, she will no longer be sad about it.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

I've been looking in my own childhood copy of A Christian Child's Garden of Verses, and I think I have found what you need, so I made a card of it:

Feel free to print it off.

[RagingLiberal]

Well as long as we're all posting Bible Scripture..

John 2:12-13
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

[Marshall]

Thats for babies that are alive. Miscarried kids are obviously not included. Why would the Lord love someone who He deemed unworthy to even be born? Duh.

[Marshall]

I would probably protest the funeral if some preacher were there saying words over the paperbag or whatever failed children are buried in. If God wanted her to have a baby then the baby wouldn't be dead, that much is plain to see. Something she did caused the Lord to pull the baby plug and flush another one to Hell. If it were my sister I would try ministering to her and trying to get to the bottom of what she did to deserve this. She certainly needs to pray and tithe more.

[RagingLiberal]

Valid point. I have nothing more to offer on the subject.

[Jedediah]

So apparently even though my sister calls herself a Christian, she has no qualms about persecuting me for trying to share the Gospel with her! This is so outrageous...

I called her this afternoon and told her why she is to blame for her baby's death, that thanks to her lack of faith her unborn child is now just getting started on an eternity of unfathomable torments, and that it is not too late for her to repent and get right with Jesus. I even gave her words of encouragement that if she puts her faith in the LORD rather than secular elites and their occult "sciences", the He may very well open her womb as He opened Rachel's (Genesis 30:22). And what thanks do I get? A bunch of belligerent sobbing mixed in with the most vile, hateful verbal abuse I have ever heard come out of a mere woman's mouth.

She says that I am not her brother and that she never wants to see me again! If anyone is to cast anyone out, it is me! It is she who refuses to heed God's Word, not me!

Matthew 12:47-50
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

I guess she will be reunited with her baby after all. In one sense, I am vexed that my own flesh and blood is a false Christian; but that vexation quickly dissipates when I think about the glory that awaits me in Heaven.

[Youth Minister Harry]

Originally Posted by Jedediah

So apparently even though my sister calls herself a Christian, she has no qualms about persecuting me for trying to share the Gospel with her! This is so outrageous...

I suppose its all works out the same no matter how you look at it. Being a false Christian, if the baby had been a healthy innocent blessing all along, she probably would have just aborted the innocent living child. Then she would have committed a murder. Her choice to deny God would have led to the same eternal damnation regardless.

Born Again In His Thick Red Blood,
Harry Lester

[Minollo]

Jedediah,
the way you behaved with your sister is awful.
If I understand correctly, you're talking about Miscarriage. Which means: "Spontaneous abortion".
How can you blame her as if it were her fault?
is inhumane. What kind of beasts are you?

[James Hutchins]

Minollo, you think abortions are a good thing? You think the person that causes an abortion is to be congratulated? Stealing one of Gods Children is never right. I feel anyone who causes an abortion should be stoned to prevent them from taking another life.

[Minollo]

Hi James,
maybe you are the only person who shows a bit of intelligence here, so I'm sure you'll understand what I'm saying.

Do you know the difference between abortion and miscarriage?

I could be agree with you when abortion is really caused by the woman. But when other causes are the reason for it to happen, like bad health or maybe just the beating that some of you good fellows give to their wives, well, maybe there is no fault in the woman in that cases.
This is a very complicated argument, but this is the miscarriage. That is very different from abortion.

[Jedediah]

Originally Posted by Minollo

Jedediah,
the way you behaved with your sister is awful.
If I understand correctly, you're talking about Miscarriage. Which means: "Spontaneous abortion".
How can you blame her as if it were her fault?
is inhumane. What kind of beasts are you?

And what would you have me do? When women turn to secular science rather than relying on prayer and the succor of the LORD to open their wombs, they're just asking for a miscarriage! Now I wouldn't go so far as to say that she murdered the baby like sluts who goes to Planned Parenthood to have coat hangers shoved up their cooters, but a large measure of responsibility falls on any woman whose faith is insufficient to guarantee her baby is brought to term. All she had to do is put her faith in Jesus, and none of this would have ever happened.

And would you have me lie to her about the damnation of her unborn baby's soul? I have already shown how the Word of God indicates that babies are born into wickedness, that it is decided whether babies will be ordained to righteousness or damnation from the time before they were born, and that anyone who does not accept Jesus Christ as their personal LORD and Savior before they die will spend all eternity suffering unfathomable torments in the lake of fire which has been prepared for satan and his demons. I admit these Bible Facts are hard to swallow, but nobody ever claimed that being a Christian is easy. The Truth hurts sometimes, but it is not our job to argue against God's Will. Our job is to fear Him and to obey His Word (Deuteronomy 13:4), not to rebel against His Righteous Judgments because of some vain sense of "justice" that exists only in our sorely deluded minds.

Unlike you, I take the Word of God with utmost seriousness. When I share His Word with my sister and other unsaved scum, I am simply following the instruction to do the work of an evangelist, spreading the Good News to those who need to hear it the most.

II Timothy 4:1-5
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

My reward is in Heaven, not in gaining approval from a vain, wicked little man like yourself. Indeed, I am told to expect nothing but hatred and persecution from the likes of you. But while you choose to spew hatred at me, I choose to bless you!

Romans 12:14
Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

In fact, I am going to go pray for you right now. I am going to pray that God enter you with His penetrating love and cause you to take His Word as seriously as I do. I would like for you to get Saved™ so that you may join me in Heaven, singing praise songs for all eternity, but I'm not holding my breath.