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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 07:18 PM
I advise that you search, "Iron Cay Lizards". A group of Scientists placed a group of lizards on an uninhabited island. They returned several years later to discover that the descendants had evolved to better suit their environment. Especially the food, they had new jaw structures and a better digestive system.
That is proof of evolution in action. In a way, your pets can explain a bit about Natural Selection. The Theory of Evolution is an irrefutable fact. By attacking it and failing to take it down, you are strengthening it as a fact.
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 07:19 PM
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For example take the salmon, it couldn't jump up high river streams and was killed by bear.. So after many many generations, they developed exoskeletal muscles to help them make a jumping push....
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This sounds more like Lamarckism than Darwinism, honey
Either way, evolution is wrong.
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if you put a fish in land, it will suffocate and die.. Not grow legs and walk normally and be able to breathe... It would take many generations of fish to develop some type of immunity to a different atmosphere..
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Exactly. Thank you for providing further evidence for the fact that evilution in fact does not happen.
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04-15-2013, 07:25 PM
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Exactly. Thank you for providing further evidence for the fact that evilution in fact does not happen.
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Evolution is the gradual change over many generations so that a species is better suited for its environment. The mutations are random though natural selection allows the better suited species to survive. Species with more desired mutations survive and reproduce.
Also, "Intelligent Design." How are flightless birds intelligent? Is it intelligent that moles have skin covering their eyes? Evolution gives an explanation for both.
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04-15-2013, 07:54 PM
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Evolution is the gradual change over many generations
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It does not work either. I've tested instant evilution and it does not work.
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I tested it myself. I used my daughter's remaining guinea pigs (the ones that survived from tests with liquid nitrogen) to see if they evolve any better than wildlife. Other one I held under the surface in bucket filled with oil, another I just left to paddle in the oil. The one held under the oil died quite a lot faster than one left on surface. Eventually, it died as well, only slower.
I examined both very closely, but I saw absolutely no signs of any improved skin condition or oil breathing gills. Absolutely no evilution happened.
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Later on I took it bit further. I bought guinea pigs that were about to give birth and reproduced the oil test with them. Even with baby guinea pigs born under the oil result was the same. Nothing happened, they did not grow any oil breathing gills. I even saved few young that were just about to drown in oil, raised them up and reproduced the test with them and their young. Many times over. Always the same result. No evilution.
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Also, "Intelligent Design." How are flightless birds intelligent? Is it intelligent that moles have skin covering their eyes?
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They are intelligenty designed to fill their niche perfectly. To you skin covering eyes may seem useless, but for a mole that was created to live underground in the darkness, eyesight is of little use. They need some protection instead. That's why God made them as they are.
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 07:59 PM
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I reckon William will know the scientific answer to this, he seems to be "down" with scientists, what do you reckon pastor?
You guys proved last night, that you know science and recognise it, you just want to fit into a click, to have some justification to your pathetic lives, probably due to some sort of social disorder, you can deny all you want, but when one of your own starts proving theories using scientific fact, which I'm more than happy to post on here for you all to see, it demotes your arguments to childish hysteria, it proves you say these things to gain attention for your church, which you've done. But the games up.
You've been caught out and you look like idiots because if it. At least the Westboro baptists church sticks by their morals, however wacky they are, you can't even claim that now
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 08:05 PM
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Seriously? After I just made my point you say that it disproves it. You clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Here is my point again. So I take a fish and place it on land. It doesn't sprout legs and breath air. This is because it is NOT evolution. Evolution is the process of a form of life adapting to its surroundings. This process does not happen in the blink of an eye. What happens is mutations are passed down every generation as they start to adapt. After thousands of years you can start to see that it is slowly evolving to adapt to its environment. I hope you understood this.
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No fish lives for "thousands of years" in order to accumulate these "changes" and then pass them on. Or did a fish grow half a leg and then it's spawn the rest? Do you see how absurd your conjecture and guesswork becomes?
Friend, it's much more rational to accept that God created all, exactly how we see it. Why not give Him the praise He deserves for His perfection in all of life rather than hate Him? When you deny Him, it's every bit as much of an insult as if you were to ejaculate on the baby Jesus in the manger.
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 08:22 PM
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I'm 38, so the earth must be about 40.....
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Sorry friend, not possible I am 56.
God tells us He created it over 6,000 years go. Who should I believe, some obvious Internet liar or the actual entity that was there at the time of Creation?
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 08:34 PM
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It does not work either. I've tested instant evilution and it does not work.
Later on I took it bit further. I bought guinea pigs that were about to give birth and reproduced the oil test with them. Even with baby guinea pigs born under the oil result was the same. Nothing happened, they did not grow any oil breathing gills. I even saved few young that were just about to drown in oil, raised them up and reproduced the test with them and their young. Many times over. Always the same result. No evilution.
There is no such thing as instant evolution, it takes years. Or possibly days if you use some flies.
They are intelligenty designed to fill their niche perfectly. To you skin covering eyes may seem useless, but for a mole that was created to live underground in the darkness, eyesight is of little use. They need some protection instead. That's why God made them as they are.
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How come moles at one stage had eyes. Some still do. That means that this god you speak of mucked up at the first stage.
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04-15-2013, 08:37 PM
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How come moles at one stage had eyes. Some still do.
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This may shock you, but God created many species. Just like different types of moles. One needs eyes, another does not. Depending where God put them to live.
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04-15-2013, 08:39 PM
Sorry about that, it appears I have accidentally put something in the quote. Apologies.
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 08:42 PM
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No fish lives for "thousands of years" in order to accumulate these "changes" and then pass them on. Or did a fish grow half a leg and then it's spawn the rest? Do you see how absurd your conjecture and guesswork becomes?
Friend, it's much more rational to accept that God created all, exactly how we see it. Why not give Him the praise He deserves for His perfection in all of life rather than hate Him? When you deny Him, it's every bit as much of an insult as if you were to ejaculate on the baby Jesus in the manger.
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If you want an example of something that has happened already to support evolution then here is one example. Take the complex DNA. It wasn't always the two strands. When the conditions of the primitive earth are made we see that RNA forms. RNA consists of just one simple strand. This strand has over time mutated and has eventually formed another strand which we now call DNA. This has mutated into the huge variety of different versions of DNA. If you want proof just look at how people look different. The mutations in the DNA can be seen very clearly.
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 08:47 PM
I'd like to bring up something. If god is omnipresent and omniscient. Why did he have to sacrifice his son for our sins. Why couldn't he just forgive them?
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 08:49 PM
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Exactly. Thank you for providing further evidence for the fact that evilution in fact does not happen.
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No, that isn't providing more evidence... By drowning guinea pigs in oil nothing will happen, they need at least 100 more generations to even slightly evolve their DNA pattern...
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 08:55 PM
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No fish lives for "thousands of years" in order to accumulate these "changes" and then pass them on. Or did a fish grow half a leg and then it's spawn the rest? Do you see how absurd your conjecture and guesswork becomes?
Friend, it's much more rational to accept that God created all, exactly how we see it. Why not give Him the praise He deserves for His perfection in all of life rather than hate Him? When you deny Him, it's every bit as much of an insult as if you were to ejaculate on the baby Jesus in the manger.
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No...no...no.... He isn't saying that a fish lives for 1000s of years... He is saying that over 1000s of generations... Mutations in the DNA pattern will occur..
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 08:57 PM
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No...no...no.... He isn't saying that a fish lives for 1000s of years... He is saying that over 1000s of generations... Mutations in the DNA pattern will occur..
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Exactly my point. I didn't say that a fish would live for thousands of years, that would be absurd. My point was that thousands of years of generations of that fish would lead to mutations.
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Re: Oil, disproving evilution! -
04-15-2013, 10:03 PM
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I'd like to bring up something. If god is omnipresent and omniscient. Why did he have to sacrifice his son for our sins. Why couldn't he just forgive them?
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Because He didn't want to. Who are you to question God's decisions?
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04-15-2013, 10:08 PM
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Because He didn't want to. Who are you to question God's decisions?
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He didn't want to forgive us and would rather have his son killed in place. Or, god can't forgive. Though, who are you to say that the great JuJu of the Mountain is false. Or Gishnu, Thor, Zeus and Horus? You are atheist in a way.
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04-15-2013, 10:15 PM
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He didn't want to forgive us and would rather have his son killed in place. Or, god can't forgive. Though, who are you to say that the great JuJu of the Mountain is false. Or Gishnu, Thor, Zeus and Horus? You are atheist in a way.
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