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Default Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports - 08-16-2010, 08:24 PM

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We believe that the Bible is the literal inerrant Word of God. We understand the Bible by following the principle of "least scripture twisting". We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means. This method of understanding the Bible leads to the least amount of Scripture twisting. We read the words for what they say, rather than what we want them to say.

So read it literaly as a child would read it...
Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Or is Pastor Billy wrong?
Maybe if you're a child who wasn't reading the entire chapter you'd read it like that, but if you read it as a child who actually read the verse in context, it's clear that David was not thinking that God was sleeping, but simply not answering him. If you read the Psalms, you'll find many instances were David feels like God has abandoned him because he strays from God. That's how I would have read it. Maybe you need to rethink the way you read the Bible. The Biblical account of David's life is a fascinating testimony of the power of God.


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Default Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports - 08-16-2010, 08:25 PM

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So read it literaly (sic) as a child would read it...
Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.
David thinks God is sleeping. This does not prove that God is sleeping.

If I say, "Why are you an Eskimo?", does this prove you're an Eskimo?


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Default Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports - 08-16-2010, 08:25 PM

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We believe that the Bible is the literal inerrant Word of God. We understand the Bible by following the principle of "least scripture twisting". We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means. This method of understanding the Bible leads to the least amount of Scripture twisting. We read the words for what they say, rather than what we want them to say.

So read it literaly as a child would read it...
Psalm 44:23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Or is Pastor Billy wrong?
No, Pastor Billy is not wrong nor is Brother Jones.
Hence the best way to read the bible is called "least scripture twisting".
Not that you have to twist anything here when you look at it in context, like Brother Jones just showed you.


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Maybe if you're a child who wasn't reading the entire chapter you'd read it like that, but if you read it as a child who actually read the verse in context, it's clear that David was not thinking that God was sleeping, but simply not answering him. If you read the Psalms, you'll find many instances were David feels like God has abandoned him because he strays from God. That's how I would have read it. Maybe you need to rethink the way you read the Bible. The Biblical account of David's life is a fascinating testimony of the power of God.

I have come across Commentaries of Psalm 44 that it is in reference to the unfair persecution of the Jews in general and not David. So I guess it depends on how you want to twist it...

But I guess your INTERPRETATION of the words of god is much better than mine or anyone elses...


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Default Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports - 08-16-2010, 10:16 PM

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But I guess your INTERPRETATION of the words of god is much better than mine or anyone elses...
Now you are getting it.

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Default Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports - 08-16-2010, 10:18 PM

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No, Pastor Billy is not wrong nor is Brother Jones.
Hence the best way to read the bible is called "least scripture twisting".
Not that you have to twist anything here when you look at it in context, like Brother Jones just showed you.
You are right Sister Christina

One must read the bible with the "least scripture twisting" but still using the "literal meaning of the words" so that the "interpretation" of those words are such that it agrees with bibles "true meaning" and "true understanding" of gods meaning...


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But I guess your INTERPRETATION of the words of god is much better than mine or anyone elses...
I'm glad that you have admitted this, as a True Christian™, I dedicate my entire life to God and gaining a better understanding of His word. God enables True Christians™ to instruct and reproof those who misinterpret His word and to help them on the path of righteousness. Are you feeling the pull of God, tugging at your heart and body to follow him? Are you ready to repent of your wicked ways and follow the Lord Jesus Christ? I promise you, your life will not be the same once Jesus touches you and makes you a new person.


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I'm glad that you have admitted this, as a True Christian™, I dedicate my entire life to God and gaining a better understanding of His word. God enables True Christians™ to instruct and reproof those who misinterpret His word and to help them on the path of righteousness. Are you feeling the pull of God, tugging at your heart and body to follow him? Are you ready to repent of your wicked ways and follow the Lord Jesus Christ? I promise you, your life will not be the same once Jesus touches you and makes you a new person.
I am sorry but I am not comfortable with guys touching me...


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I am sorry but I am not comfortable with guys touching me...
So you'd choose hell over Jesus?


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I am sorry but I am not comfortable with guys touching me...
How dare you imply Jesus was a homer. What blaspheme you speak. Jesus touched people and healed them and giving them sight to believe.


Matthew 20:34 So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.


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So you'd choose hell over Jesus?

I choose rational thought over superstition.


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How dare you imply Jesus was a homer. What blaspheme you speak. Jesus touched people and healed them and giving them sight to believe.


Matthew 20:34 So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.
Not only did JC touch people, but he also wanted them to eat him?

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

AND

John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

AND

John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

AND finally

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

With all due respect Lisa, sometimes JC does not sound like someone I want near me let alone touching me...

Unless...

JC is really the son of the spaghetti monster and he actually tastes like pasta.


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Unless...

JC is really the son of the spaghetti monster and he actually tastes like pasta.
That is just WRONG on so many levels!


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Not only did JC touch people, but he also wanted them to eat him?
Are you suggesting Christ is some kind of gay, emo, vampire freak? You certainly are twisting His words to suggest Our Savior is obsessed with oral sex, blood drinking, necrophilia and Italian zombie movies. Speaking as a TRUE Christian I am utterly disgusted and demand an apology.



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Not only did JC touch people, but he also wanted them to eat him?

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

AND

John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

AND

John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

AND finally

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

With all due respect Lisa, sometimes JC does not sound like someone I want near me let alone touching me...

Unless...

JC is really the son of the spaghetti monster and he actually tastes like pasta.
It's interesting that you bring up these verses. Let met ask you this, if Jesus really wanted people to actually eat his flesh and drink his blood why does he say this in the same chapter that you're quoting from,

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth ; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


Jesus was not talking about His physical body, but the words that He was speaking. The Jews misunderstood Jesus, as you misunderstand the verses within the chapter. It's funny how you seem to just pick random verses out of context and throw them at us, thinking that you're gaining some kind of a foothold. You're attempt to spread dissension will not work.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?


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Default Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports - 08-18-2010, 05:39 PM

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You are right Sister Christina

One must read the bible with the "least scripture twisting" but still using the "literal meaning of the words" so that the "interpretation" of those words are such that it agrees with bibles "true meaning" and "true understanding" of gods meaning...
Hey, I think you're finally getting it! See how studying the Bible brings clarity?

Note that God does not need to be asleep to awaken, as Psalm 78:65-66 clearly shows:

Then the LORD awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine. And he smote his enemies in the hinder parts: he put them to a perpetual reproach.

You haven't lived until you've seen a bunch of Jews running around with wounded tochases.


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Default Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports - 08-18-2010, 06:45 PM

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Are you suggesting Christ is some kind of gay, emo, vampire freak? You certainly are twisting His words to suggest Our Savior is obsessed with oral sex, blood drinking, necrophilia and Italian zombie movies. Speaking as a TRUE Christian I am utterly disgusted and demand an apology.
Your right, as a guest on your website I should respect your wishes... I apologise for even remotly suggesting that JC was obsessed with Italian zombie movies... Even he dosnt deserve that!


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Default Re: Why do you believe Jesus supports - 08-18-2010, 07:22 PM

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It's interesting that you bring up these verses. Let met ask you this, if Jesus really wanted people to actually eat his flesh and drink his blood why does he say this in the same chapter that you're quoting from,

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth ; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus was not talking about His physical body, but the words that He was speaking. The Jews misunderstood Jesus, as you misunderstand the verses within the chapter. It's funny how you seem to just pick random verses out of context and throw them at us, thinking that you're gaining some kind of a foothold. You're attempt to spread dissension will not work.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
The Catholic church also seem to like a little cannibalism every now and then i.e. the eucharest


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The Catholic church also seem to like a little cannibalism every now and then i.e. the eucharest
It's true, that's why all Catholics are going to hell, or already burning in hell. It's a sad sad thing. So many children have to burn in hell because of the false religion they follow.


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It's true, that's why all Catholics are going to hell, or already burning in hell. It's a sad sad thing. So many children have to burn in hell because of the false religion they follow.

Thats interesting that you should say that. It seems to me that the Catholics are interpreting the bible literaly for once. While the baptists think its a metaphor... Interesting reversal of attitiudes...

Is it because the Baptists find canabalism uncomfortable? And if a part of the bible is uncomfortable, why not change its interpretation and make it more acceptable...

That does sound familiar dosnt it?


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