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Default Question for Catholics about the eucharist - 07-19-2017, 05:03 PM

In your faith, when does the "body and blood" of Christ turn into poo?

If you believe that He doesn't, then what happens to Him as the rest of the wheat and wine do? When do you believe He separates from the wheat and wine? If you believe He separates immediately, do you believe your saliva is more powerful than He? Why bother taking Him in at all if the moment the eucharist touches your tongue Jesus has to flee? Or does He flee in the stomach? Are stomach acids too powerful? Does the churning of the small intestine do Him in? Does He stick around until He reaches the colon? If you lack roughage, does Jesus stick around a little longer?

If you believe the "body and blood" remain in the wheat and wine from the time of consecration onward, why do you not dispose of your post-eurcharist poo in a more regal manner than flushing Him down with the rest of city sewage? There's more reverence to a piece of the eucharist that drops to the floor than the entire parish gives following ingestion. Why is this?


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Sinner Re: Question for Catholics about the eucharist - 07-20-2017, 06:27 AM

This may seem like just a way to irritate the Papists, but it is, in fact, something that the Catholics have actually tried to prove! They have actually taken samples of "consecrated wafers" and analyzed them with secular methods to conclude that these breads and wines are actually and really Jesus: "The Flesh is real flesh and the Blood is real blood."

This is based on the analysis of some ancient (>1000 year-old) samples that allegedly are ancients breads and wines turned into Jesus.
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The analyses on the samples extracted from the miraculous host were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs…
  • The Flesh is real flesh and the Blood is real blood.
  • Both the Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species….
Basically, the Catholics have taken old relics and checked if they contain flesh. Unsurprisingly, they do. What they have failed to demonstrate is that these relics were originally bread and wine before a Papist homer "turned" them into Jesus.
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That is, just because they have flesh and blood locked up somewhere doesn’t mean it was magically transformed by a doubting priest in 700 CE from a cracker and wine.
Instead of believing in the Real Bible®, in the 6000-year-old Earth (Genesis 1:1), the solid Firmament over land (Genesis 1:6), and Dinosaurs roaming the Earth with men (Job 40:15), the Catholics believe that some fragments of meat from the Middle ages were once bread just because they have found a written testimonial where someone tells them so. Instead, they should rely on the reliable eye-witnesses, God and the Holy Spirit (Titus 1:2). As it turns out, other scientists have repeated the study but followed the path of these wafers from the moment they entered the Catholic temple. They took virgin wafers, "consecrated wafers", human DNA and wheat DNA and tested if the wheat DNA in the virginal wafers turns into human DNA after the incantations of the Papist druid. Never mind that these scientists are Raëlians, a cult that believes in space aliens seeding the Earth many years, even decades ago.
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Conclusion: consecrated wafers do not contain human DNA, though they could sometimes acquire a bit of it by being handled. After being consecrated, all their DNA still comes from wheat.
When it suits the Catholics, they accept obscure "results" of ancient remains of meat; when the results oppose them, they obviously try to dismiss them. A clear case of confirmation bias. This is a typical advertisement that the Papists distribute to lure innocent youths to participate in their ugly rituals.



Due to all this, your question, beloved Sister Mary, is an important one. The Catholics allegedly consume Jesus. They have the burden of proof to show that they do not defecate and urinate Jesus. The idea is extremely repulsive and re-enforces the Papist obsession with rectal pleasures. Imagine: poor Jesus squeezing through the sphincters of Papist men and floating down the urinary tract of nuns or altar boys, surrounded by the tallywhackerous corpora cavernosa, possibly in the erect state mixed with remains of the last sodomite ejaculatory material, prostatic secretions, fructose, etc. all the time conscious of the blasphemy taking place. Let us be assured that this is not reality. It is bad enough that Jesus has to spend a considerable amount of His time in Hell watching over the proceedings down there.

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Default Re: Question for Catholics about the eucharist - 07-20-2017, 06:34 AM

Like most things with the cathylicks, these kinds of questions bring up even more questions that no one seems to have a clear answer for Sister.

Does Jesus really mind that you down those pancakes at IHOP after consuming one of those wafers, and how about all that hot giardiniera you put on that subway sandwich that you might eat?

While the following article might not be "authoritative" in these matters, it does suggest that the first post-Jesus number 2 poo should be buried in the ground. I've never heard of cathylicks carrying around shovels for such purposes, but I'm sure that if the Vatican was aware of what they really are teaching it might occur to them to be selling "holy shovels" to carry out the ritual - and make money in the process.

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June 29, 2012

The sacramental species never, ever go into the main sewer system

Did you know your parish church has a fish pond?

Actually, it probably looks more like a sink and may even have a locking cover. Oh, and its pipes go into the ground, not into the local sewer system.

What is now called a sacrarium was once known as a piscina - from the Latin word for a reservoir for fish. In fact, some Christians still call it a piscina because that word technically refers to the basin of the sink itself, while “sacrarium” refers to the drain.

The sacrarium is now usually found in a church’s sacristy, the room where sacred vessels and vestments are kept. However, in previous days, the sacrarium could be found near the altar, or attached to the altar itself. Sometimes it was simply a removable basin, so that the water in it could later be poured out on the ground.

The sacrarium is meant to be used for washing — especially of the sacred vessels and altar clothes, as well as to receive the water that has been used for ablutions (washing of hands). It is for water — not for anything else.

So, when the sacred wine, the blood of Christ, is spilled and blotted up with a cloth, that cloth is first rinsed in the sacrarium. Only after that can it be washed in a regular manner.

The sacrarium can also be used to dispose of holy water. However, it is never used to dispose of consecrated wine, the blood of Christ. That wine must be consumed entirely and the vessels — both the chalice and anything holding the sacred host — purified (rinsed with water that is also consumed by the priest or deacon). Only after such purification may the sacred vessels be cleansed (different from purified) in water and mild detergent.

Remember it’s about water and not what was once wine. It is against church law (canon 1367) to pour the blood of Christ down a sink of any sort. In fact, if someone does this — knowing that it is against church law — they are automatically excommunicated. Only the Vatican courts can lift such an excommunication. A priest who knowingly pours out the sacred wine may even be laicized for the offense. (Remember, someone who does this accidentally or unknowingly is not automatically excommunicated.)

Since it’s about water, someone may ask, “Why the lock?”

Well, there are some rare instances where a sacred host may become so defiled that it cannot be consumed — normally a host that is dropped or broken is still to be consumed by someone. It is not ever thrown away. It is, after all, Christ’s body. But if a consecrated host cannot be consumed, it may be thoroughly dissolved in the sacrarium. Since this takes time, the sacrarium’s drain may have a cover and a lock, so that the dissolving host is not disturbed. Once that host is dissolved, it is believed that the sacred presence of Christ is gone. Only then can the water be drained down the sacrarium’s pipe into the ground.

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Default Re: Question for Catholics about the eucharist - 07-20-2017, 07:56 AM

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...They have actually taken samples of "consecrated wafers" and analyzed them with secular methods to conclude that these breads and wines are actually and really Jesus:"The Flesh is real flesh and the Blood is real blood."...
The link implies that they claim they found human DNA. So... the next step is obvious: cloning Jesus.


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The link implies that they claim they found human DNA. So... the next step is obvious: cloning Jesus.


C'mon, Catholics! What are you waiting for?
Just what one would expect from a God mocker. I'm not defending the cathylicks here, but God is a triune God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If you were to just "clone" Jesus' DNA all you would get is a body - sort of like a zombie Jesus.


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...If you were to just "clone" Jesus' DNA all you would get is a body - sort of like a zombie Jesus.
This raises some questions, but first I need an answer that I've not been able to find on this forum or in the Bible:


Did (human-form) Jesus have a soul?


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This raises some questions, but first I need an answer that I've not been able to find on this forum or in the Bible:


Did (human-form) Jesus have a soul?
I don't know that either, cause is not in the Bible.
But unlike you, I can ask Jesus later, when I die. You will burn forever with no answer to your questions.


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This raises some questions, but first I need an answer that I've not been able to find on this forum or in the Bible:


Did (human-form) Jesus have a soul?
Did you actually read the legislation or were you listening to Obama's lips when he said "if you like your plan you can keep your plan"?

It does help to read the Bible (KJV1611), as well as laws passed by congress.

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- Hebrews 4:15

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

- Hebrews 2:14-18

Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

- Hebrews 10:38

And I set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.

- Leviticus 26:11

And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

- Leviticus 26:30

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

- Isaiah 42:1

Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

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In your faith, when does the "body and blood" of Christ turn into poo?
...If you believe He separates immediately, do you believe your saliva is more powerful than He? Why bother taking Him in at all if the moment the eucharist touches your tongue Jesus has to flee? Or does He flee in the stomach? Are stomach acids too powerful? Does the churning of the small intestine do Him in? Does He stick around until He reaches the colon? If you lack roughage, does Jesus stick around a little longer?

If you believe the "body and blood" remain in the wheat and wine from the time of consecration onward, why do you not dispose of your post-eurcharist poo in a more regal manner than flushing Him down with the rest of city sewage? There's more reverence to a piece of the eucharist that drops to the floor than the entire parish gives following ingestion. Why is this?
Are you having fun in your attempt to ridicule and mock the Catholic religion? Oh, how smart you are. Or should I say that I am so impressed at how smart you think you are? It's so much fun poking holes in other people's religion, isn't it? [That was sarcasm if you weren't able to figure that out for your childish self]..
A couple of things. First of all, Catholics (and Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox) take the following Scripture verses seriously:
John 6:51
"I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh.52At this, the Jews began to argue among themselves, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” 53So Jesus said to them,“Truly,truly,I tell you,unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you.54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.…"
And of course there is the Last Supper where Jesus says to do this in remembrance of Me.
Secondly, I am not sure, but it is my understanding that the Host remains Sacramentally the Body of Jesus as long as It remains Bread. As it is digested and changes its outward form from Bread, it is no longer bread (in outward appearances) and therefore it is no longer the Body of Christ.
Catholics and Orthodox believe the Eucharist to be a great and holy Mystery. The Resurrection and other miracles and activities of Jesus indicate to many Christians, that the words of Jesus should be taken seriously.
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Are you having fun in your attempt to ridicule and mock the Catholic religion?
Nope, and it is not me making fun of your religion, my abilities to do so fall way short to yours.
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Thank you.
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Or should I say that I am so impressed at how smart you think you are?
Don´t bother to do so, it is pretty obvious what we´re dealing with
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It's so much fun poking holes in other people's religion, isn't it? [That was sarcasm if you weren't able to figure that out for your childish self].
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Catholics and Orthodox believe the Eucharist to be a great and holy Mystery. The Resurrection and other miracles and activities of Jesus indicate to many Christians, that the words of Jesus should be taken seriously.
So why don´t you do just that if you claim to be a Christian?

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Are you having fun in your attempt to ridicule and mock the Catholic religion? Oh, how smart you are. Or should I say that I am so impressed at how smart you think you are? It's so much fun poking holes in other people's religion, isn't it? [That was sarcasm if you weren't able to figure that out for your childish self]..
Calm down, dear. I used to be a practicing, believing, faithful, very devoted Catholic. This is a legitimate question I never thought to ask while I was in the habit of simply distracting myself whenever reality failed to conform to my beliefs.

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A couple of things. First of all, Catholics (and Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox) take the following Scripture verses seriously:
John 6:51
"I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh.52At this, the Jews began to argue among themselves, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” 53So Jesus said to them,“Truly,truly,I tell you,unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you.54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.…"
And of course there is the Last Supper where Jesus says to do this in remembrance of Me.
Yes dear, I remember. It doesn't answer my question, but it is a nice distraction: Groove on the bit about Jesus being living bread and forget all about what happens to this piece of Jesus. After all, why bother figuring out if what you believe is right? Who cares about details like accuracy when there's emotional warm-fuzzies to be had?

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Secondly, I am not sure, but it is my understanding that the Host remains Sacramentally the Body of Jesus as long as It remains Bread. As it is digested and changes its outward form from Bread, it is no longer bread (in outward appearances) and therefore it is no longer the Body of Christ.
Catholics and Orthodox believe the Eucharist to be a great and holy Mystery. The Resurrection and other miracles and activities of Jesus indicate to many Christians, that the words of Jesus should be taken seriously.
So the moment it touches the tongue, saliva overpowers it and Jesus runs away. Why do Catholics believe the physical realm is stronger than the spiritual? What do they think miracles are?



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It doesn't answer my question,
Actually, John 6:51-54 does make sense to a believing Christian, but since I have been given an infraction by a mormon moderator after bringing up this quote, I don't see any point in continuing the discussion. I only hope that people who claim to be Christian will reread John 6:51-54. Of course, if you are a heathen who is set on taking pleasure in mocking religion, you will not accept what is written there.
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...but since I have been given an infraction...
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...John 6:51-54...
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So the moment it touches the tongue, saliva overpowers it and Jesus runs away. Why do Catholics believe the physical realm is stronger than the spiritual? What do they think miracles are?
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Apparently the moderators or editors here do not allow the word m-o-r-o-n. They change it to moron. I did not write moron, but I wrote m-o-r-o-n, without the dashes, and it was changed as you see it to moron. Although I am not a believer in Mormonism, I have great respect for Morons. The Morons that I know are people of good and decent character.
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Dear sinner,

Your post I cited has embedded some grains of the actual Truth™. We "take the Bible" literally. This does not mean that every single verse would only contain its own literal message. Jesus used parables, as you might know. Obviously, you are not quite honest as you do not really seem to be interested in the false Catholic doctrines of the commemorative supper but only about catching us off guard. Instead of winning a debate, you should be mostly concerned about the state of your soul.

However, sometimes correct information can help a person find Jesus, so we can assess the bread and wine. We have mostly discussed these things before with the minor and mostly insignificant Catholic spin-off called the Lutherans, who share the same delusion of the bread and wine being real agents of cannibalism (that per se is not necessarily condemned in every single case; Jeremiah 19:9).

Matthew 26:26 and John 6:51.54 are of course nice and beautiful verses, but your misunderstanding of the Bible as a whole regarding the last supper probably derives from the dismissal of some pivotal verses after Matthew 26:26. We must examine them!

Matthew 26:26-29
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

In your educated opinion, did Jesus lie? First He says that "This is my body" but in Matthew 26:29 He still claims that the substance remains"this fruit of the vine". Had He meant to allure people into cannibalism, He'd have maintained here that the wine had turned into His blood. As He did not, the first verse of the pericope must be taken as a parable. He did not maintain the blood debacle, and He cannot lie.

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In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Now, let us also consider what God had to say channeled by Paul! In 1 Corinthians we are informed about the practices of the first True Christians™.

1 Corinthians 11:25-16
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this
cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

"This cup is the new testament in my blood" [Not "my blood"]! "Ye eat this bread [still bread], and drink this cup [still wine]..." Only by ignoring parts of the Bible and concentrating on one verse that fits the preconceptions of those who have indoctrinated you can you reach the consensus of transubstantiation. As True Christians™, we never ignore the Bible.You should be assessing the most pivotal points of Catholic doctrine, such as Jesus being unnecessary to Salvation (as evidenced in your Catechism, where paragraph 841 states that theists, especially Muslims, who ignore Jesus are first and foremost among those destined to Heaven), and Faith in God™ also being unnecessary to Salvation (regarding atheists). Do you think that believing in the cannibalism is a prerequisite for Salvation if Jesus Himself isn't? Of course, this is also a test. Jesus Himself taught us that those who are not on the narrow path to Salvation will fail to understand Him.

Matthew 13:11-12
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Taking the Bible literally is different from picking up a verse and taking itliterally. If every single verse were examined individually, we would have to accept the claim that Jesus was actually a numb animal of the Created Ovine Kind.

John 1:36
And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

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Matthew 26:26-29
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Catholic teaching, as I understand it, is that this is to be taken literally. As is John 6:51-54.
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