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rman · **Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 07:55 AM

Hello.

I will start of by saying I hope I don't get in trouble by being here. I just want to ask a few questions. I am an athiest. I only beleive things that I see or are proven. This does not mean that someone wrote something in a book and now it becomes the truth.

I ask people all the time to prove that god exists. Yet no one has given me an solid proof.

Cam you prove to me that he exists and how

thanks

Talitha · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rman20895

Hello.

I will start of by saying I hope I don't get in trouble by being here. I just want to ask a few questions. I am an athiest. I only beleive things that I see or are proven. This does not mean that someone wrote something in a book and now it becomes the truth.

I ask people all the time to prove that god exists. Yet no one has given me an solid proof.

Cam you prove to me that he exists and how

thanks

Friend, we get so many Atheists in here that I've lost count.
You are obviously here looking to get with Jesus.
I can understand why you think there may not be a God, but there most certainly is.
Look around you at all of Gods wonderful works.
Then go and read the King James Bible.
That is certainly real and is the True Word of God.
Then you have to accept Jesus into your life and have Faith that he will Save you from Hell.
Isn't he wonderful?

Shall I see you in Church on Sunday?

Miss April · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 08:09 AM

Welcame rman20895 to Gods Favorite Forum We have got so lots of Atheists here its hard to even count God is real i understand why you might not think God exist but he does and he is Amazing I really hope your looking for Jesus because he can help you Dear just let him into your life and you will see Everything in your life Change for the best Just read the King James Bible then if you have anymore Questions feel free to ask them

rman · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 08:13 AM

Neither of you gave me any proof as to if he exists or not. I would appreciate it if you go into detail on that.

Talitha · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rman20895

Neither of you gave me any proof as to if he exists or not. I would appreciate it if you go into detail on that.

I gave you proof that God is in The Bible. I think you'll find he gets quite a few mentions actually.
Now, I have a Bible on my desk here in front of me. My desk is real, my Bible is real and the words within the Bible are real. How much proof does a Christian need?

Prove to me he doesn't.

rman · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 08:25 AM

Yes but how do you knw the bible is real. Anyone could of made the bible up. That's is what I am saying.

Talitha · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rman20895

Yes but how do you knw the bible is real. Anyone could of made the bible up. That's is what I am saying.

The Bible is The Word of God.
This Bible in front of me is real because I can touch it and feel it. The words are real because I can read them.
Your questions don't make any sense my Atheist friend.

John 3:32-34
And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Now, where is the proof that there is no God.

rman · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 08:43 AM

Well I can make a book that says I can fly and god doesn't exist. It would be a real book and you can touch it and everything. Do you get what I'm trying to say.

Rev. Jim Osborne · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 09:22 AM

To be fair "solid proof" is a relative term, is it not? What is "solid proof" for Alan might not be "solid proof" for Bruce. My definition of solid proof might include things you would immediately discard or scoff at without any real analyzation, likewise you may be asking for more proof than you need.

There is such thing as being so far skeptical that you can't accept anything around you. Did OJ kill Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman?

"No, there is no proof."
"Okay but he was known to have been in trouble for domestic violence in the past..."
"Not enough proof."
"Fair enough...his alibi for that night didn't check out."
"Nope."
"There was blood trails and DNA evidence. OJ's blood was at the crime scene!"
"Could've been planted. Show me truth. Show me unaltered video tape evidence of it!!!"
"Wait, how could it have been planted? Cops stole OJ's blood in the middle of the night and framed them?"
"No...don't twist it around. The burden of proof is on you: You have to prove OJ killed them."

Thanks to this super-skeptical thinking (and some clever lawyering and racial bias on part of the jurors), an actual murderer went scot-free. You see, where do you draw the line on "evidence". This is the crux of the whole theist vs atheist argument: What you have hear is two parties disagreeing on what constitutes valid evidence to support a belief in God.

Talitha offered you evidence: The King James Bible. READ IT. Study it. If you don't accept it, you don't accept it. Just like the OJ Jurors refused the evidence before them.

I pray that you find the light of Christ someday. God bless you.

Talitha · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 09:37 AM

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Well I can make a book that says I can fly and god doesn't exist. It would be a real book and you can touch it and everything. Do you get what I'm trying to say.

That would be Harry Potter dear.
You know what we think of Harry Potter.

Before you ask, the Harry Potter threat is indeed a serious one as we have discussed in other Threads.
We burn all books of that nature.

James Hutchins · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 10:35 AM

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Neither of you gave me any proof as to if he exists or not. I would appreciate it if you go into detail on that.

Think about this. You are in your home. How do you know that peole you have not met exist? How do you know if anyone who has responded to you are real? The answer is you do not. But, based on being alive with the capability of self awareness, you are able to deduce some facts. You have spoken to people and then at some point, have actually met them. So it is reasonable to deduce if you communicate with someone, they are real. We all commincate with God. You can too.

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Originally Posted by rman20895

Yes but how do you knw the bible is real. Anyone could of made the bible up. That's is what I am saying.

I have one in my hand right now. Seems pretty real to me.

Pastor Ezekiel · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rman

Neither of you gave me any proof as to if he exists or not. I would appreciate it if you go into detail on that.

rman · **Re: Hiii -** 07-04-2009, 05:37 PM

The only person who gave me a decent answer was Rev. Jim Osborne. Which he basiclly said that people have different guidlines as to what makes something believeable or not.

Everyone else basically said the Bible. Which I stated in my first as well as other posts that it is just a book.

My point being that I could write a book saying some crazy thing and because it is written down it is proof. You say the Bible is god's word. How do you know? By the bible telling you it is is conflicting with the "anyone could write it" theory.

Pastor Ezekiel · **Re: Hiii -** 07-05-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rman

The only person who gave me a decent answer was Rev. Jim Osborne. Which he basiclly said that people have different guidlines as to what makes something believeable or not.

Everyone else basically said A. Which I stated in my first as well as other posts that it is just a book.

My point being that I could write a book saying some crazy thing and because it is written down it is proof. You say A is god's word. How do you know? By the bible telling you it is is conflicting with the "anyone could write it" theory.

Because God wrote the Bible.

But of course you can't hope to understand, because satan is your father.

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John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Ezekiel Bathfire · **Re: Hiii -** 07-05-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rman

The only person who gave me a decent answer was Rev. Jim Osborne. Which he basiclly said that people have different guidlines as to what makes something believeable or not.

...and you failed to take this on board.

Now, what sort of proof do you want? What would satisfy your exacting standards?

Whip of Japheth · **Re: Hiii -** 07-05-2009, 02:05 PM

Lord, excuse my language mistakes. You can read what i mean in my mind.
Lord, excuse me for use the human logic here but one soul is in the pot and i´ll take the risk.

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And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis

I dont need more for me but you seems honest to my old eyes. Read with attention.

O.P. you can ear God inside you with a voice. Have you ear something when you see a wonderful montain in a clear morning? Perhaps seen the stars? Perhaps seen some real Holy Art? What can you see in it, order or chaos?

Have you ask yourselves what means to be life? A 100% atheist don´t give any value to the life. Why are you better than a stone? Why do you defend your life while dead is for you a single chemical question?

There is not any 100% atheist in the entire world i think. God is in our own nature. ALL humans with a few days of life see the world like a magic thing.

Imagine a two-dimension monster who is live (as a cartoon). Did you go to a secular university? (oh God, how hard is the way. You are for sure proven me) The evil superstring theory show 10, 11 o 26 dimensions (select your pic

). Could the cartoon knows without Faith how works the entire multidimensional space?

Oh yes, Plato was a homer pagan but was not wrong in the allegory of the cave.

Science can´t (now and never) give you the ultimate answers. It fails in a lot of less delicated questions. Can science knows if a cat is life or dead in a box with a quantum switch and poison? No my unsaved friend, but God can.

You need the faith to adquire the entire knowledge my friend. And you need all the entire knowledge to aswer the question. Your initial question is a trap with a circle argument in it "quat erat demonstrandum".

Last one and not less important at all. Why a really old man whith a poor english is spending the energy of his fingers, eyes and mind, get several sin risks, trying to be polite, and save the soul of an atheist? This is expensive to my health, respect me thinking in it seriously because i can´t give you a second chance.

My stupid human words can be a present if you know how aprecciate it, but it´s only a small water drop. Do you want to swim in the entire ocean?

Read it, give it a chance at least like a pretty History and Philosophy book. The seed of the love to God can born, you have my word, i saw it with a friend. Your soul is enought expensive to give it a chance, isn´t it?

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)

GLORY!

Yours in Christ.