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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
05-20-2010, 06:18 AM
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this whole video operates under the assumption that the bible is the word of a perfect and omniscient god. If you question that supposed fact,
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Prove it isn't the inspired Word of God. What are you even doing here? Did the devil send you?
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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Prove it isn't the inspired Word of God. What are you even doing here? Did the devil send you?
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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It is well known that the Bible was written by people. Relaying the word and teachings of god, perhaps, but nevertheless written by people. While that has been reasonably proven by countless historians, proving it beyond a shadow of a doubt would take countless years of research and is virtually impossible so I won't even try. Proving something beyond a shadow of a doubt it a daunting task; none of us can even prove that 1 + 1 = 2 (anyone could Google it, but few could prove it on their own), which is a nowhere near as difficult to prove.
In addition to the accounts of historians, the Bible also has several historical errors which a perfect and omniscient god surely wouldn't make. Thus, if the bible is the word of god (and I'm not saying it isn't), the only reasonable explanation for these mistakes is that they were made by people, which again brings us to the conclusion that people wrote the bible.
As for why I'm here, I am here to have open discussion. However, rather than simply holding a calm discussion, you seem quite confrontational and quick to attack conflicting views. Relax.
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05-21-2010, 09:43 AM
Your claim is that The Bible KJV1611 has errors; son, let me tell you, The Bible has mysteries. Ask a few questions here if you think that you have found something amiss. We'll do our best to put you right and on the Narrow Path to Jesus' Glory.
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05-21-2010, 12:46 PM
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It is well known that the Bible was written by people. Relaying the word and teachings of god, perhaps, but nevertheless written by people.
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True, just like it is true that you used a keyboard to create your posting. But just like you created your posting and not your keyboard, God determined what is in the Holy Bible and not the people who did the writing for Him.
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What you say here is true. If proof is your point of reference "cogito ergo sum" (I think, therefore I am) is about as far as you will get. But it is also pointless. God is not about proof, God is about faith. Not that there is no proof of God's existence, the volcano in Iceland comes to mine, but to be able to see the proof faith is needed.
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As Brother Bathfire already mentioned, you are mistaken about that. If historians have a different story than the Bible it is the historians who are wrong, not the Bible.
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05-21-2010, 02:50 PM
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As for why I'm here, I am here to have open discussion. However, rather than simply holding a calm discussion, you seem quite confrontational and quick to attack conflicting views. Relax.
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No one has attacked you. What you are doing is attempting to disguise debate by calling it discussion. Your trouble is that like all unsaved trash, you like to imagine that there is some wiggle room in God's Holy Word, some way for you to find a point of controversy with which to trip us up and cause us to lose our faith.
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05-22-2010, 05:32 AM
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Your claim is that The Bible KJV1611 has errors; son, let me tell you, The Bible has mysteries. Ask a few questions here if you think that you have found something amiss. We'll do our best to put you right and on the Narrow Path to Jesus' Glory.
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"The Holy Bible, KJV1611, was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture therein is totally true and trustworthy.”
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Finally somebody reasonable and not so quick to resort to insults. Among the inconsistencies:
- In the first chapter of Genesis god creates man and woman at the same time, but in the second chapter he creates man (Adam) first. Adam then does a few things (such as naming all of the animals) and eventually, after god finds that Adam is lonely ("but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him") Eve is created.
- Jeremiah (29:10) predicts 70 years of Babylonian exile but the exile only lasted 59 years
- Isaiah (17:1) says that "Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins". However, as I'm sure you know, Damascus was not destroyed. It is still an inhabited city and is actually thriving (it has experienced substantial growth recently).
If the bible is the word of god and these are not man-made mistakes, then are we to conclude that god is mistaken?
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05-22-2010, 07:58 AM
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In the first chapter of Genesis god creates man and woman at the same time, but in the second chapter he creates man (Adam) first. Adam then does a few things (such as naming all of the animals) and eventually, after god finds that Adam is lonely ("but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him") Eve is created.
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So there is both a short and a long version of that story. That does not make it inconsistent! Many books have a summary on the cover that is less detailed than the actual book, that does not make them inconsistent either.
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This one is complicated but there is an explanations for that: http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/years.htm. In general it boils down to inaccuracies in sources other than the Bible.
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That just means that this will happen in the future, so I would advice everyone to stay far away from Damascus!
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No, God is not mistaken and there are no errors in the Holy Bible.
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To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
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05-22-2010, 09:33 AM
Is it me, or does the scientific community seem to find cures for things they have ''invented''. yes, polio has been cured but I can not remember it ever mentioned in the bible as a god-delivered malady. These ''scientists'' have never cured one of God's curses. If God doesn't exist and science dictates life why are there still locusts and hemorrhoids, 2 often mentioned punishments in the bible?
1 Chronicles 16:15
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
Proverbs 30:5,6: Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
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Is it me, or does the scientific community seem to find cures for things they have ''invented''. yes, polio has been cured but I can not remember it ever mentioned in the bible as a god-delivered malady. These ''scientists'' have never cured one of God's curses. If God doesn't exist and science dictates life why are there still locusts and hemorrhoids, 2 often mentioned punishments in the bible?
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I don't know. King David spoke of the lame. Maybe they had polio. Perhaps they didn't have a name for it yet?
2 Samuel 5:8 And David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind that are hated of David's soul, he shall be chief and captain. Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house.
Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.
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05-22-2010, 11:03 AM
science 1st named polio in 1789 - British physician Michael Underwood provides the first clinical description of polio, referring to it as "debility of the lower extremities."
the hand of the LORD was against the city with a very great destruction: and he smote the men of the city, both small and great, and they had emerods in their secret parts. -- 1 Samuel 5:6-7
If God would have meant he would have said polio or something we could identify as polio, Again I say it is a disease of science not God.
1 Chronicles 16:15
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant.
Proverbs 30:5,6: Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
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Amen, brother!
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05-24-2010, 03:07 PM
And true God fearing Christian should know that we need no proof other than the KJV 1611 Bible. After all it is the true word of God.
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And true God fearing Christian should know that we need no proof other than the KJV 1611 Bible. After all it is the true word of God.
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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Do you guys realise, that this video is made specifically to mock christians?
The guy, who made this video is an atheist himself. Watch his other videos and you'll get the point. Also, read the comments. They also say, that video mocks christians and it's obvious, but some people belive his videos. (I'm surprised, that you guys fell for it)
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Do you guys realise, that this video is made specifically to mock christians?
The guy, who made this video is an atheist himself. Watch his other videos and you'll get the point. Also, read the comments. They also say, that video mocks christians and it's obvious, but some people belive his videos. (I'm surprised, that you guys fell for it)
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If you had actually used the "search this thread" function, you would have known that other atheists tried to defame mr. Current this way as well. Why can't you just address the great arguments mr. Current provides us with here?
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I want to pray for those who persecute me, my Lord.
Please, treat their children as you treated those of Egypt, when they upset you! (Psalm 135:8-9)
Dash their little children against the stones for their fathers iniquity! (Psalm 137:8-9)
Hit them on the cheek, and smash out their teeth! (Psalm 3:7)
Make their death and descent into Hell swift and terrible! (Psalm 55:15)
Scatter their broken bodies over the streets of their evil cities, like Benghazi, Amsterdam, Tokyo and Mecca! (Psalm 110:6)
Praised be Your Glorious Name™.
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Do you guys realise, that this video is made specifically to mock christians?
The guy, who made this video is an atheist himself. Watch his other videos and you'll get the point. Also, read the comments. They also say, that video mocks christians and it's obvious, but some people belive his videos. (I'm surprised, that you guys fell for it)
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And why would we take the words of a self admitted Atheist? Don't you have some kittens to skin alive or gay sex to have or what ever it is you Atheists do. The only real amazing thing about an Atheist is why they don't kill themselves since they think life is so pointless.
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06-02-2010, 05:42 PM
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If you had actually used the "search this thread" function, you would have known that other atheists tried to defame mr. Current this way as well. Why can't you just address the great arguments mr. Current provides us with here?
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Instead of looking stupid, just check the mr. Current's channel, that says the following: "About Me:
My religion videos are comedies. I am not a Christian. Through the medium of humor, I try to challenge people to question their beliefs and assumptions so that collectively, we can find ways to accept the world "as is" — the bad as well as the good."
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And why would we take the words of a self admitted Atheist? Don't you have some kittens to skin alive or gay sex to have or what ever it is you Atheists do. The only real amazing thing about an Atheist is why they don't kill themselves since they think life is so pointless.
PS Jesus loves you, repent.
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Nah, I like kittens and i'm a bit homophobic. What we do, is this-we live our lives without the limits and rules from guy, who doesn't exist. We live by our own rules. Also, life really is pointless and so what? We try to enjoy the time we have and not waste it by going to church.
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Instead of looking stupid, just check the mr. Current's channel, that says the following: "About Me:
My religion videos are comedies. I am not a Christian. Through the medium of humor, I try to challenge people to question their beliefs and assumptions so that collectively, we can find ways to accept the world "as is" — the bad as well as the good."
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Why do you monkey worshipers always try to bear a false witness against Brother Current? Why do you hate us Christians so much?
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Why do you monkey worshipers always try to bear a false witness against Brother Current? Why do you hate us Christians so much?
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You guys are most naive guys I ever seen(except from my arch enemies - the commies). Are you guys really so lazy? just read his main page. And again, we are people, who don't worship anything. Also, we didn't involve from monkeys. Evolution never stops, we always keep mutating. That means, that humans didn't involve from monkeys. Humans and monkeys have involved from same species(what isn't the today's monkey). If you still don't understand, watch this:
Monkeys -/> Humans
Monkeys <- Monkey/Human-like species from the past -> Humans
Proof: we have some evolutional leftovers, Like: Appendix, Paranasal Sinuses, Vomeronasal Organ, Coccyx (AKA: The Tail Bone), Extrinsic Ear Muscles, Toes, Neck Rib, Darwin’s Point, Third Eyelid, Palmaris Muscle, Male Nipples, Wisdom Teeth, Erector Pili, Body Hair, Thirteenth Rib, Male Uterus and Female Vas Deferens.
Also, without mutation, we would all look the same. We look different from each other because the child's DNA mutates.
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06-03-2010, 12:04 PM
SUCK A piffleING [cheerio] YOU BUNCH OF piffleING [homos], YOU THINK YOUR BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE WHO MAKES SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LIFE CHOICES YOU NARROW MINDED piffleS, I LIVE IN AUSTRALIA AND I'M THINKING OF PERSONALLY FLYING TO AMERICA SO I CAN BLOW THE BRAINS OUT OF EVERY SINGLE LAST [negro]-piffleING ONE OF YOU, AND THEN I'LL SAY A LITTLE PRAYER BEGGING "god" or Jehovah or Allah or whoever will piffleing listen to drag your sorry [bottoms] to hell, and if one doesn't exist I'll Beg them to make one, JUST FOR YOU YOU SICK piffleING cooterS!!!!
SUCK A [cheerio] [ANUSES]!!!
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