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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-14-2007, 07:14 PM
Notice how the witch attempts to change the subject just because she's losing the debate?
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03-14-2007, 08:06 PM
Most secular "history" is forged anyways by darwinistas who hate Christianity and freedom. This is why homeschooling is vital if you want your children to be Saved™.
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03-14-2007, 09:49 PM
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Notice how the witch attempts to change the subject just because she's losing the debate?
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Notice how the young Brother Temperance wannabe attempts to throw in the same red herring his idol did into the debate I've already won in an attempt to confuse me and/or all onlookers?
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-14-2007, 10:28 PM
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Notice how the young Brother Temperance wannabe attempts to throw in the same red herring his idol did into the debate I've already won in an attempt to confuse me and/or all onlookers?
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Because the same argument applies twice doesn't mean it's invalid the second time 'round. Anyhow, you've won no debate, since Easter only traces its roots back etymologically to Oisterland, and all your pagan festivals were either coincidence or a concoction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter#...nd_development
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-14-2007, 10:46 PM
Read the link that I posted. Wikipedia is notorious for not being correct, since anyone can add anything. Although much of what is in there is reliable, a lot of it is not. My original link which does cite ancient sources, which were the foundation of my argument, is a more reliable source than wikipedia.
Believe me, I've come across many a mistake in wikipedia. So read my original posts, and ALL of what is in ALL the links, before you go mouthing off.
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-14-2007, 10:50 PM
Since it's near bed-time for me, I'll stick to your first post:
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The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God.
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Furthermore, an equinox still isn't Jesus' resurrection. As I said, coincidence.
Wikipedia is also more neutral (even in its atheism) than a site named 'religioustolerance'. Your ancient sources are as old as mine, since they didn't exist before the invention of the internet (except for DIRECT quotes from the BIBLE).
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-14-2007, 10:53 PM
You are basing your arguments on the existence of a biblical Jesus. Read the link which talks about the embellishings added to the 'life of jesus', and that explains it thoroughly.
The fact is that the dates chosen for easter, and the name itself, do not originate with xtianity. No ifs or buts or maybes. Xtianity is a mixture of two older religions, Paganism and Judaism.
Any non-biased scholar truly versed in the bible could tell you as much.
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-14-2007, 11:00 PM
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You are basing your arguments on the existence of a biblical Jesus. Read the link which talks about the embellishings added to the 'life of jesus', and that explains it thoroughly.
The fact is that the dates chosen for easter, and the name itself, do not originate with xtianity. No ifs or buts or maybes. Xtianity is a mixture of two older religions, Paganism and Judaism.
Any non-biased scholar truly versed in the bible could tell you as much.
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Well, that's fairly much what Easter is about, isn't it? I'm sitting here trying to prove that Jesus died and was resurrected, or at least that the celebration thereof is not based upon some pagan festival. The difference between this Attis and Jesus is that we celebrate the resurrection of Jesus 2007 years ago, not that he's reborn annually.
About the dates, sheer coincidence. Jesus couldn't help but being reborn that day, or time of year for all that matter.
And as Shakespeare said, what's in a name...
Now, the Old Testament may be "lent" from Judaism, but bear in mind that a) there's 2000 years in between, b) they crucified Jesus, which obviously means they didn't like Christianity. If anything it's not a mixture, but an improvement.
Plus, how would you know my age?
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-14-2007, 11:12 PM
My dear, you might someday wish to explore the life and works of the (in)famous Emperor Constantine.
The dates closely coincide with Pagan festivals so that the conversion of Pagans would be made easier, and it wouldn't be too much of a jump from one to the other.
It's all recorded history.
There is no historical proof of the biblical Jesus whatsoever, although there may well have been a historical Jesus, that man would have been a far cry from the man portrayed in the bible, and most likely would have been terrified of a cigarette lighter.
As to your age....I believe it's been mentioned before by you, no?
P.S. Wikipedia isn't atheist. It can be added to by absolutely anyone of any belief. The content, therefore, can be highly biased depending on who is posting it.
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-14-2007, 11:23 PM
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My dear, you might someday wish to explore the life and works of the (in)famous Emperor Constantine.
The dates closely coincide with Pagan festivals so that the conversion of Pagans would be made easier, and it wouldn't be too much of a jump from one to the other.
It's all recorded history.
There is no historical proof of the biblical Jesus whatsoever, although there may well have been a historical Jesus, that man would have been a far cry from the man portrayed in the bible, and most likely would have been terrified of a cigarette lighter.
As to your age....I believe it's been mentioned before by you, no?
P.S. Wikipedia isn't atheist. It can be added to by absolutely anyone of any belief. The content, therefore, can be highly biased depending on who is posting it.
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The date may have been tampered with, I'll leave that up to the Pastors to discuss about. What I mean is that Christians celebrate the rebirth of Christ on Easter, and not the equinox. And objectively speaking, the historical proof may well have been biased too. Opponents of Jesus may have represented him as historical (or just because they feared persecution by the Romans), while the true believers wrote down his gospels.
Don't know if I mentioned my age before, but yes, technically I am in my teens. Mentally however old :cool:
The content may well be untrue, but an important topic like that is bound to be watched by some truthful people, and upon checking the history... Wikipedia claims to be neutral though, and these days that is inevitably linked to anything non-religious, for some reason.
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-14-2007, 11:42 PM
Well, yes, xtians do celebrate the rebirth of their savior. But, it's no coincidence that the date which it is celebrated, as well as other xtian holidays, are close to Pagan ones.
Yes, Wikipedia claims to be neutral, but there will be bias on certain topics, mainly due to whoever is writing them. That's hard to avoid. Even Thucydides, the great historian, was slightly biased in ways.
For instance, he could find pretty much no fault with his hero Pericles. But that's off topic.
Point being, yeah, I've found mistakes in Wikipedia. Treat with an element of caution, though it is in many cases reliable.
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-15-2007, 08:39 PM
And here I was thinking that everyone knew that Christian holidays are stolen from Pagans. Now, now, don't go getting your feathers all ruffling, there's no need to get uppity. It's the truth. Christianity is a relatively young religion, and when it was just starting it needed to grab peoples' attention.
Now think: How do you sell a product when there are already many popular products in your line of merchandise? You make it as much like the other well-selling products as you can (without copyright infringement), while still being unique. You attempt to sell your product as being the same as the others (so your consumers can feel comforted by familiarity and so you can leech off the already established reliablity of the other products on the market), but with something extra so that your potential consumers have incentive to buy your product over the others. And that's what Christianity did. It made itself like other religions by stealing their holidays, and changing them slightly to fit in with Christian ideas and beliefs, and then claimed to be the best. And Easter is no exception. I thought you crazy Landovaries knew that.
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-16-2007, 12:01 AM
According to your train of thought, nothing new would ever be invented.
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
03-16-2007, 12:18 AM
Most inventions aren't original ideas, they are embellishments or additions or variants of an existing product.
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03-16-2007, 12:58 AM
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[color=purple]And here I was thinking that everyone knew that Christian holidays are stolen from Pagans. Now, now, don't go getting your feathers all ruffling, there's no need to get uppity. It's the truth. Christianity is a relatively young religion, and when it was just starting it needed to grab peoples' attention.
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Wrong bunny worshiper. Satan pre-stole those holidays from Christ and gave them to the pagans to mock God. We Christians mearly stole them back.
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03-16-2007, 02:06 AM
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Wrong bunny worshiper. Satan pre-stole those holidays from Christ and gave them to the pagans to mock God. We Christians mearly stole them back.
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03-16-2007, 03:41 PM
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Yes, and the sky is green, and the grass is purple, and we all wear a squid on our head every day.
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03-16-2007, 05:08 PM
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My dear, you might someday wish to explore the life and works of the (in)famous Emperor Constantine.
The dates closely coincide with Pagan festivals so that the conversion of Pagans would be made easier, and it wouldn't be too much of a jump from one to the other.
It's all recorded history.
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So if it's so easy to convert from paganism to Christianity, why haven't you got around to it yet? Are you lazy, or just mulish and awkward?
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What on earth are you taking about? Equal is an adjective referring to being the same in all respects, or unvarying and fair. Sugar, on the other hand, is a tasty powder that can be used to great effect in cakes and pies (and let's be honest here, wouldn't that be a far better use of your time than sitting on the internet arguing like a man?) Have you been eating the green sugarcubes again?
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Read the link that I posted. Wikipedia is notorious for not being correct, since anyone can add anything. Although much of what is in there is reliable, a lot of it is not. My original link which does cite ancient sources, which were the foundation of my argument, is a more reliable source than wikipedia.
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Have you actually read these so-called ancient sources? Not copies or reproductions or translations, but the actual original sources themselves? Or are you just going by what someone else told you the original sources said? See the double standards of liberals: They're willing to the point of credulousness to believe anything that supports their absurd claims, and automatically assume there's no way their sources could possibly have been tampered with at any point, but show them any evidence for Christianity and they'll dismiss it out of hand.
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03-10-2008, 04:57 PM
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Yes, and the sky is green, and the grass is purple, and we all wear a squid on our head every day.
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Wrong bunny worshiper. Satan pre-stole those holidays from Christ and gave them to the pagans to mock God. We Christians mearly stole them back.
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No one worships the Easter bunny. He's a mascot. He's not some holiday that Satan had to pre steal.
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Equal is an adjective referring to being the same in all respects, or unvarying and fair. Sugar, on the other hand, is a tasty powder that can be used to great effect in cakes and pies (and let's be honest here, wouldn't that be a far better use of your time than sitting on the internet arguing like a man?) Have you been eating the green sugarcubes again?
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You're really one to go on about equality. Maybe YOU should try the green sugarcubes!
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Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' -
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