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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-28-2014, 09:26 PM
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I'm sorry, I assumed that your questions where rhetorical.
I can read critically in 3 languages, generally understand a few more.
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So we are in the same boat, more or less - when we want to read something that is written in one of the 5000+ languages we don't speak, we have to rely on translations - and therefore we have to trust these translations are correct - and therefore we have to assume that the ideas you were mentioning in this post are false.
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I am familiar with what a hypothesis is. While I'm not an expert in anthropology and linguistics, in science the 'hierarchy' usually goes from hypothesis to theory to scientific fact. I don't know the rigor required to elevate one to another in humanitarian sciences, but I guess I implicitly assumed that the idea we were talking about was a hypothesis.
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Well, so now you know that Sapir-Whorf hypothesis belongs in the large pile of discarded/disproved hypotheses. Since you are not an expert in neither anthropology nor linguistics, I would advise you not to talk about issues belonging to these disciplines. In my case, my knowledge of (for example) astrophysics is extremely limited, so you won't find me formulating statements about cold dark matter and stuff like that.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-28-2014, 09:56 PM
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when we want to read something that is written in one of the 5000+ languages we don't speak, we have to rely on translations
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I agree. I was just interested in the case when the source is "divine", then how would successive interpretations succeed in preserving its initial 'essence'.
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... and therefore we have to assume that the ideas you were mentioning in this post are false.
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As long as it doesn't change the way I live my daily life, I don't assume that something is absolutely 'true' nor completely false. It's just another piece of knowledge that's nice to know.
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Well, so now you know that Sapir-Whorf hypothesis belongs in the large pile of discarded/ disproved hypotheses.
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I am sincerely interested in the source of this.
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Since you are not an expert in neither anthropology nor linguistics, I would advise you not to talk about issues belonging to these disciplines. In my case, my knowledge of (for example) astrophysics is extremely limited, so you won't find me formulating statements about cold dark matter and stuff like that.
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The world would be quite a boring and dull place if everyone only talked about their area of expertise.
Learning takes place when people ask questions and discuss novel ideas. I encourage you to explore astrophysics as well (even formulate some statements to be discussed). Ask something from me, if you wish - I have a working knowledge in the topic.
You seem to be quite open-minded and a nice person, Basilissa.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-29-2014, 03:01 PM
Oh my god (this is commonly used expression aka omg, this has nothing to do with believing the "god"), stop making silly excuses and answer to my questions. What is the reason of this topic and what do you want to achieve?
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Friend, about time Jesus made you come to this forum. You have lot to learn.
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Not excactly. I was searching for something on the Internet using the Google search engine. I typed in "why" and it prompted some predictions (Google autocomplete), the first result was "why god hates estonia", other results were also weird ones... It was the Google search engine that made me come here. I'm pretty sure that Jesus is not a computer.
Also, what is the point of these silly forum awards?
Let me guess, my next award will be something like Satan's son or Hitler's emoticon.
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03-29-2014, 05:00 PM
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What is the reason of this topic and what do you want to achieve?
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It is exactly what is say, reason is to spread the Christianity. It's working really well, since people even from third world countries are flocking to this Godly forum.
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Not excactly. I was searching for something on the Internet using the Google search engine. I typed in "why"
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Yes, and it was Jesus who made you type that random "why" without a reason. Ever since that first "why" power of Jesus has made you to return time after time.
GLORY!
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Let me guess, my next award will be something like Satan's son or Hitler's emoticon.
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You have earned your awards with your actions and abilities. Perhaps in future your actions will earn you another medal, perhaps not. It's up to you, friend.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-29-2014, 10:23 PM
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It is exactly what is say, reason is to spread the Christianity. It's working really well, since people even from third world countries are flocking to this Godly forum.
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Are you calling me as a Third World citizen?
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Yes, and it was Jesus who made you type that random "why" without a reason. Ever since that first "why" power of Jesus has made you to return time after time.
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It was my teacher who wanted me to search for the history of WW1, it has nothing to do with Jesus. I'm visiting this site because I want to know why you and Jesus's slaves have to post some idiotic "facts" about a country that you have never been to.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-29-2014, 11:15 PM
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Are you calling me as a Third World citizen?
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Well, you are from Estonia after all.
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It was my teacher who wanted me to search for the history of WW1, it has nothing to do with Jesus.
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You don't believe in that even yourself, of course it was Jesus making you to come to this forum and He makes you come back again and again. Ever wondered why you are so curious about this forum that you can't stay away even for a day? It's the power of Jesus!
We have had already almost 10% of whole Estonian population coming here to read this thread. We can pretty much exclude everyone under 14 and everyone over 55 from this number, so it's already about every fourth Estonian adult that has received the message of Jesus through this Godly thread. So far we have had people mostly coming in from Tallinn and just now I was praying that Jesus would send in people also from smaller villages of Estonia. Not a day later, He send you here.
GLORY!
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about a country that you have never been to.
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Don't be silly. I have been in Estonia many times. If you would have actually read this thread, you would know this. Many of us have been all over the world.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-30-2014, 02:17 AM
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I agree. I was just interested in the case when the source is "divine", then how would successive interpretations succeed in preserving its initial 'essence'.
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Just think about it. The Holy Bible is the Word of God, a manual of how to behave and how not to behave. Bad translation can lead to erroneous behavior, which leads to eternal damnation. God wouldn't want us allto go to Hell, otherwise, He wouldn't have given us the Holy Bible in the first place. Therefore, God Himself made sure that the KJV translation is 100% truthful to the original.
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I am sincerely interested in the source of this.
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That's awesome!
Here is a couple of articles you could start with:
John A. Lucy, Linguistic Relativity, Annual Review of Anthropology, Vol. 26 (1997), pp. 291-312. It talks about methodological difficulties of proving this hypothesis empirically.
Phillip Wolff and Kevin J. Holmes, Linguistic Relativity, Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews: Cognitive Science, Volume 2, Issue 3, pages 253–265, May/June 2011. It has more broad critique.
A very short summary (oversimplified) of some of the lines of critique:
http://learning.covcollege.ac.uk/con...en0102_040.htm
and a google scholar listing of other articles on the subject:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...ed=0CCgQgQMwAA
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The world would be quite a boring and dull place if everyone only talked about their area of expertise.
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Sure, I can chat about the string theory if you really want (and I'll deeply embarass myself in the process). However, when I have weird sound in my car, I would rather talk about it with a mechanic rather than with a psychologist, you know.
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Learning takes place when people ask questions and discuss novel ideas. I encourage you to explore astrophysics as well (even formulate some statements to be discussed). Ask something from me, if you wish - I have a working knowledge in the topic.
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I don't really feel the need to do so, but thank you for yout thoughtfulness.
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You seem to be quite open-minded and a nice person, Basilissa.
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Oh, thank you. It's a pleasure.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-30-2014, 05:20 AM
I also agree that there have been an almost unbelievable number of Estones who have come to this site and learned something about Jesus here. One thing we have learned from this episode is that the Estones, like all heathens, actually speak English, though like most unsaved foreigners, they often refuse to admit it. I for one have been surprised to find that there are so many people in Estonia. I had assumed it was rather small and poorly populated.
Perhaps some eyes have been opened in Estonia by this exposure to the Word of God. Maybe the Lord hates Estonia less now. That remains to be seen. He may send Russians to purge them if He is not satisfied with their progress toward Christianity. That may be best. We will have to wait and see, as no man knows the plans of the Lord.
God judgeth the righteous, And God is angry with the wicked every day- Psalm 7:11
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-30-2014, 11:51 PM
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Thank you, it was interesting to read about these topics again. However, I didn't come to such a strong conclusion as you did, that the matter is absolutely settled. It seems to be under considerable debate still, and if anything, I found more compelling arguments actually on the pro-side.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-31-2014, 03:10 PM
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Dear UseYourBrainPlugs,
You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forum.
Reason: Attempting to force the homersexural lifestyle on GOD's favorite forum
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First of all, thanks for changing my username and password without even asking my permission. Secondly, how on Earth did I "attempt" to "force" the homosexual lifestyle on "God's favourite forum"?
And still, what's the point of slandering every country in the world except USA (aka the country which has the most evil government in the world).
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-31-2014, 03:48 PM
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First of all, thanks for changing my username and password without even asking my permission...
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Please quote the section of the Terms of Service (that you agreed to when joining) which says that they need your permission.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
03-31-2014, 04:04 PM
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Thank you, it was interesting to read about these topics again. However, I didn't come to such a strong conclusion as you did, that the matter is absolutely settled. It seems to be under considerable debate still, and if anything, I found more compelling arguments actually on the pro-side.
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You have an interesting way of reading, dear. I would like to call your attention to the fact that Sapir-Whorf hypothesis has two versions - the strong one (that we are helpless and our language pretty much dictates the way we see the world) and the weak one (that there are some aspects of our thinking which are somewhat influenced by our language). The weak version has some empirical data to support it, the strong one, well, doesn't.
From my own experience, translation is easy. When you know two languages (and two cultures which go with them) well enough, you can figure out how to translate even the most complicated concepts and metaphors. What is hard, is simultaneous interpretation - you have to come up with the same meaning in another language on the spot. Trust me, it is a really exhausting experience (especially if correct interpretation may influence somebody's life, like in court or hospital settings). Yet, it works, because cases of incorrect interpretation are rare.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
04-01-2014, 03:20 PM
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Please quote the section of the Terms of Service (that you agreed to when joining) which says that they need your permission.
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It is very unethical to change user's data without asking his permission.
Some wannabe Jesus sent a PM to me. He mentioned that I should give a look at THIS site. So I found many weird statements that explains a lot...
First of all, what is it with republicans? What does it have to do with Jesus or Christianity?
Secondly, the guy mentioned there that nearly 100 million people are following the "true" faith. That might explain why Americans are behind the rest of the world, by that I mean mostly at education (most of you even believe that the Earth is flat).
I could write more arguments or even a book if I had time but I'm not going to waste my life.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
04-01-2014, 04:23 PM
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I have a very high self-esteem.
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It doesn't matter how often you repeat this to yourself or to others. It will never be true.
Freedom means voting for Donald Trump!
To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
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04-01-2014, 04:57 PM
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It is very unethical
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Are you seriously that stupid, that you did not read the Terms of Service before you agreed to them voluntarily?
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04-01-2014, 05:22 PM
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It is very unethical to change user's data without asking his permission...
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Are you seriously that stupid, that you did not read the Terms of Service before you agreed to them voluntarily?
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$5 says she still hasn't read them.
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
04-01-2014, 07:32 PM
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$5 says HE still hasn't read them.
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Son, you have problems with functional reading and logical thinking. What makes you think that I am female lol?
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Are you seriously that stupid, that you did not read the Terms of Service before you agreed to them voluntarily?
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I'm using my brain, I don't need some "rules" that are written by people who aren't normal. There's nothing to do with my identity or my personal life so I have no point of doing that.
And I'm pretty sure, most of you don't do it aswell because, there are no scriptures, so I can take it as text which has no meaning .
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It doesn't matter how often you repeat this to yourself or to others. It will never be true.
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It doesn't matter how often you repeat that the Earth is flat to yourself or to others. It isn't and never will be true.
But weird thing is that now I am a "facsist" here. I would understand if Russians called me as fascist, but Americans ... just .... lol. Do you even know what or who fascist is? Is Obama fascist?
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
04-02-2014, 03:26 AM
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I'm not going to waste my life.
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Too late.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
04-02-2014, 11:37 AM
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I'm using my brain, I don't need some "rules" that are written by people
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Yet you agreed to those rules. That does not sound you are using your brain too much. Luckily for you this is most friendly and Godliest forum in internet.
Consider this as a good lesson. There are people out there who are not as nice and good as us. It's easy to scam and fool someone as stupid as you. Remember to read also the small print in future before you agree to something, friend
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Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia -
04-03-2014, 12:51 PM
Okay. I repent. Suddenly God touched me and made me cross-reference this glorious web-site with a certain word that made all things clear.
I shall begin the Purification of Estonia immediately. God has also bestowed upon me the title the Reborn High Overlord of the Crusade for Truth. I shall bear this title proudly and start proving my worth right away, my brothers and sisters.
Glory. Faith. Power. Ruthless unmercifulness against the infidels. Amen.
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