[LocusSolace]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

I'm pretty sure the Bible (10 Commandments) also say something about not killing.

And what is a tallywacker?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

And what is a tallywacker?

Tallywacker.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

I'm pretty sure the Bible (10 Commandments) also say something about not killing.

The 10 Commandments is a part of the Old Testament. It sets out laws from God on how jews should treat other jews.

[LocusSolace]

Originally Posted by WilliamJenningsBryan

I don't recall anything in the Bible (KJV1611) about prohibitions against smoking. What we have here is a clear case of LIEberal fascism (and no doubt that waitress voted for Obama). The shear temerity, audacity, and unctuous disregard for human liberty brought this about. The Second Amendment is there for a reason.

I'm pretty sure the founding fathers did not include the 2nd amendment to cover this particular situation. Seriously the spoiled little boy was wrong.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

I'm pretty sure the founding fathers did not include the 2nd amendment to cover this particular situation. Seriously the spoiled little boy was wrong.

Please, by all means show us any limitations explicitly set forth in the 2nd Amendment that would preclude his actions.

Support your assertions with Scripture when possible.

YiC,

Zech

[LocusSolace]

Originally Posted by Zechariah Smyth

Please, by all means show us any limitations explicitly set forth in the 2nd Amendment that would preclude his actions.

Support your assertions with Scripture when possible.

YiC,

Zech

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topic...an-Authorities
Second Amendment:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Our murder and homicide law does the rest.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topic...an-Authorities
Second Amendment:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Our murder and homicide law does the rest.

Yes, you quoted the Second Amendment.

No, it doesn't say anything about curbing the man's right to defend his various other rights.

YOU = FAIL

[LocusSolace]

Originally Posted by Zechariah Smyth

Yes, you quoted the Second Amendment.

No, it doesn't say anything about curbing the man's right to defend his various other rights.

YOU = FAIL

America quite clearly has laws against murder.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

America quite clearly has laws against murder.

This doesn't answer his question, dear. It avoids it.

Please try again.

[LocusSolace]

By the information on your own website (God's favorite website), the waitress that was shot, was doing her True Christian duty; to help the man avoid sin.


The Social Order and the Family
All Christians are under obligation to seek to make the Will of Christ supreme in our own lives and in human society. In the spirit of Christ, Christians should oppose and refrain from racism, every form of greed, selfishness, lust, envy, wrath, sloth, pride, gambling, smoking, swearing, wanton indulgence in idle pursuits, drinking, drugs, apostacy, and all forms of sexual immorality, including, but not restricted to, any act (or thought of the act) of prostitution, abortion, fornication, adultery, transvestitism, homosexuality, bestiality, pederasty, pornography, wild or abandoned conjugal relations even within marriage for its own sake rather than procreation, self-abuse, and all and any fetishes, etc. All Christians should work to provide (where true need is established) for the orphaned (save those of the enemy), the needy (save those who fail to behave abstemiously) , the abused, (save those of other religions), the aged (where they are Christian and decorous), the helpless, and the sick (save where they fail to accept Christ.) We should speak on behalf of the unborn and contend for the sanctity of all human life from conception to natural death. As True Christians™ we are obliged to follow secular law even when it contradicts our beliefs but equally obliged to attempt to change ungodly laws in cooperation with the Republican Political Party that is appointed by God.


http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...ment-of-faith/

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

By the information on your own website (God's favorite website), the waitress that was shot, was doing her True Christian duty; to help the man avoid sin.


The Social Order and the Family
All Christians are under obligation to seek to make the Will of Christ supreme in our own lives and in human society. In the spirit of Christ, Christians should oppose and refrain from racism, every form of greed, selfishness, lust, envy, wrath, sloth, pride, gambling, smoking, swearing, wanton indulgence in idle pursuits, drinking, drugs, apostacy, and all forms of sexual immorality, including, but not restricted to, any act (or thought of the act) of prostitution, abortion, fornication, adultery, transvestitism, homosexuality, bestiality, pederasty, pornography, wild or abandoned conjugal relations even within marriage for its own sake rather than procreation, self-abuse, and all and any fetishes, etc. All Christians should work to provide (where true need is established) for the orphaned (save those of the enemy), the needy (save those who fail to behave abstemiously) , the abused, (save those of other religions), the aged (where they are Christian and decorous), the helpless, and the sick (save where they fail to accept Christ.) We should speak on behalf of the unborn and contend for the sanctity of all human life from conception to natural death. As True Christians™ we are obliged to follow secular law even when it contradicts our beliefs but equally obliged to attempt to change ungodly laws in cooperation with the Republican Political Party that is appointed by God.


http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index...ment-of-faith/

Dear Solace,

It is wonderful that you have a profound interest in Jesus' Favorite Church and you are willing to dwell deep in the True™ Doctrine. As I have stated previously, ignorance is not a big fault as it can be countered effectively with education, i.e., Bible study. You willingness to know is laudable, although I am not quite sure about your attitude. I may be wrong but it seems that your goal is to find a fault in our reasoning, to find contradictions; in contrast, your duty should be to find Jesus.

That said, I am happy to explain this issue to you. Our Statement of Faith does not endorse smoking and it promotes following secular law. This is all correct and had there been only a man smoking, this would have been straightforward. We would have prayed for him to quit and it would have happened. Secular law allows smoking but the Bible advises (sic!) against it:


John 2:21
But he spake of the temple of his body.

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

However, we have a complication. We have a woman who is not acting against circumstantial advice but against the very Command of Jesus. She is trying to make a MAN obey herself. This is unacceptable!

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

This takes Spiritual precedence. Now we come to secular law. Verily, we are to obey:

Romans 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

If this man is convicted, we accept that as secular justice. However, we cannot be silenced about God's Will in the matter. We cannot stop fighting for the authorities to discard non-Biblical laws in favor of Jesus and God. That is why you also should vote for the Trump to ensure that Biblical Law is once again reinstated as is being done in Russia.

...equally obliged to attempt to change ungodly laws in cooperation with the Republican Political Party that is appointed by God.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[LocusSolace]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

Dear Solace,

It is wonderful that you have a profound interest in Jesus' Favorite Church and you are willing to dwell deep in the True™ Doctrine. As I have stated previously, ignorance is not a big fault as it can be countered effectively with education, i.e., Bible study. You willingness to know is laudable, although I am not quite sure about your attitude. I may be wrong but it seems that your goal is to find a fault in our reasoning, to find contradictions; in contrast, your duty should be to find Jesus.

That said, I am happy to explain this issue to you. Our Statement of Faith does not endorse smoking and it promotes following secular law. This is all correct and had there been only a man smoking, this would have been straightforward. We would have prayed for him to quit and it would have happened. Secular law allows smoking but the Bible advises (sic!) against it

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Hi. Sometimes I can go a bit heavy on the sarcasm, but you were respectful in this answer; and that has to be honored. I'm not as fully hostile to your beliefs as sometimes it seems. Yes I'm finding contradictions, but I'm also finding similarities. I'm a student of many things, and generally have a decent overall understanding; but this is a bit different. I know I don't always agree with what you're saying but it's ok because I know you don't always agree with me.


I have another question about this particular subject. It's my understanding that secular law has forbid smoking in certain areas (like restaurants). So is the issue primarily because it was a woman who told him smoking wasn't allowed? And would this view have changed if a male manager would have requested that she deliver the message?


In my opinion if he is being charged with first degree murder, it is probably a bit excessive. I could have seen a 2nd or 3rd degree murder charge with the information that I've seen.



I have questions on the Constitutional legality of Mr. Trumps ability to start getting rid of the secular laws and replacing them with Biblical laws. Wouldn't that violate the Establishment Clause of the Constitution? I'm not certain that the support is there to get the 2/3 Congress and 3/5 state votes needed in order to amend our Constitution. I'm not just picking on Christianity here, I would fight just as hard if any other religion would try to get the support to modify our Constitution.
Thanks

[Back against wall]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

I have questions on the Constitutional legality of Mr. Trumps ability to start getting rid of the secular laws and replacing them with Biblical laws. Wouldn't that violate the Establishment Clause of the Constitution?

If Mr Trump runs the country the way the Bible intended things to be, who exactly would be left to argue?

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

Hi. Sometimes I can go a bit heavy on the sarcasm, but you were respectful in this answer; and that has to be honored. I'm not as fully hostile to your beliefs as sometimes it seems. Yes I'm finding contradictions, but I'm also finding similarities. I'm a student of many things, and generally have a decent overall understanding; but this is a bit different. I know I don't always agree with what you're saying but it's ok because I know you don't always agree with me.

I must also apologize. I am trying to follow the example of Jesus in my dealings with the Unsaved, but it is very hard to attain the level of rebuking that was characteristic of Jesus (Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7) and that is pivotal when turning the stiff necks (Jeremiah 17:23) of Sinners towards Salvation (Titus 1:13). My strategy of trying to keep calm in the midst of all kinds of sinful behavior including sodomy has not been very effective. Look at you: still questioning the logic of God and the Bible, although God is beyond logic; He Creates logic but is not bound with it. This is a strategy that might work if your goal were to win a secular debate about our mortal words; it is not going to work when your Faith is judged before Jesus Christ!

I have another question about this particular subject. It's my understanding that secular law has forbid smoking in certain areas (like restaurants). So is the issue primarily because it was a woman who told him smoking wasn't allowed? And would this view have changed if a male manager would have requested that she deliver the message?

This is an example of negotiating with God. This simplistic twist in the situation does not give enough data to assess the outcome. Is the male manager Saved? Is he a sodomite? If unsaved (2 Corinthians 6:14), there is a possibility of persecution not against smoking but against the Christian Faith of the other man (Matthew 5:10); this persecution, while beneficial for the smoker (Matthew 5:12) would however be hazardous for the man persecuting. If the manager is engaged in Sodomy (1 Timothy 1:10), the situation is basically the same as with the woman example. Thus, we have insufficient data. In fact, even a secular Court of Law would prefer to know a bit more about the circumstances and get the character witnesses to explain how this situation could have arisen.

In my opinion if he is being charged with first degree murder, it is probably a bit excessive. I could have seen a 2nd or 3rd degree murder charge with the information that I've seen.

Here I can spot a problem. "In my opinion". It is perfectly legal for you to have opinions but I try to avoid them as much as I have successfully (and with a lot of Prayer) avoided the AIDS plague. Opinions are nice to have because they allow you to ignore the Bible and education. Here the situation is the same when it comes to Scripture and Scholarship. In secular science you do experiments based on hypotheses, get observations and data and let the data show you the answer. CSI does the same thing, the secular court that you cherish. In Bible study and Creation Science we let go of our biased opinions and let Scripture show us the Truth™ and then we look at the observations and see if they fit the Reality of Jesus, of God.

You have preferences for some laws but, in fact, all non-Biblical laws are hazardous. God will test us occasionally by presenting Statutes that are based on human reasoning.

Ezekiel 20:25
Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

As all authority is given by God (Romans 13:2), even secular legislation is allowed by Him. It is a good test to mankind to see if we accept the Statutes that are in direct opposition to God's will regarding especially contraception, women and sodomites. We must obey them yet we should not live by them but try to overturn them. The oratory powers of Mr. Trump are such that the necessary majorities in the legislation are not hard to attain. Mr. Putin did it in Russia, a country that had totally turned its back on God. Mr. Trump will have much less difficulties doing the same thing in America that still has some True Believers™ left struggling to fulfill Jesus' Commandments and relying on His promise.

Us.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[LocusSolace]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

I must also apologize. I am trying to follow the example of Jesus in my dealings with the Unsaved, but it is very hard to attain the level of rebuking that was characteristic of Jesus (Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7) and that is pivotal when turning the stiff necks (Jeremiah 17:23) of Sinners towards Salvation (Titus 1:13). My strategy of trying to keep calm in the midst of all kinds of sinful behavior including sodomy has not been very effective. Look at you: still questioning the logic of God and the Bible, although God is beyond logic; He Creates logic but is not bound with it. This is a strategy that might work if your goal were to win a secular debate about our mortal words; it is not going to work when your Faith is judged before Jesus Christ!

This is an example of negotiating with God. This simplistic twist in the situation does not give enough data to assess the outcome. Is the male manager Saved? Is he a sodomite? If unsaved (2 Corinthians 6:14), there is a possibility of persecution not against smoking but against the Christian Faith of the other man (Matthew 5:10); this persecution, while beneficial for the smoker (Matthew 5:12) would however be hazardous for the man persecuting. If the manager is engaged in Sodomy (1 Timothy 1:10), the situation is basically the same as with the woman example. Thus, we have insufficient data. In fact, even a secular Court of Law would prefer to know a bit more about the circumstances and get the character witnesses to explain how this situation could have arisen.

Here I can spot a problem. "In my opinion". It is perfectly legal for you to have opinions but I try to avoid them as much as I have successfully (and with a lot of Prayer) avoided the AIDS plague. Opinions are nice to have because they allow you to ignore the Bible and education. Here the situation is the same when it comes to Scripture and Scholarship. In secular science you do experiments based on hypotheses, get observations and data and let the data show you the answer. CSI does the same thing, the secular court that you cherish. In Bible study and Creation Science we let go of our biased opinions and let Scripture show us the Truth™ and then we look at the observations and see if they fit the Reality of Jesus, of God.

You have preferences for some laws but, in fact, all non-Biblical laws are hazardous. God will test us occasionally by presenting Statutes that are based on human reasoning.

Ezekiel 20:25
Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

As all authority is given by God (Romans 13:2), even secular legislation is allowed by Him. It is a good test to mankind to see if we accept the Statutes that are in direct opposition to God's will regarding especially contraception, women and sodomites. We must obey them yet we should not live by them but try to overturn them. The oratory powers of Mr. Trump are such that the necessary majorities in the legislation are not hard to attain. Mr. Putin did it in Russia, a country that had totally turned its back on God. Mr. Trump will have much less difficulties doing the same thing in America that still has some True Believers™ left struggling to fulfill Jesus' Commandments and relying on His promise.

Us.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

I question a lot of things. Believe it or not questioning has been very useful for keeping the faith I do have strong and pure. Do we even know for sure if the shooter was a True Christian? Opinions might be hazardous, but in this case it was actually an agreement with part of the article posted here.
Wasn't the Constitution solidifying God given rights? If the Constitution is doing that, Mr. Trump has no right to change it.

[LocusSolace]

Originally Posted by Back against wall

If Mr Trump runs the country the way the Bible intended things to be, who exactly would be left to argue?

Either the Constitution lays out God given rights or it doesn't. If the Constitution is listing God given rights, Mr Trump has no right to try to change it. If the Constitution is listing man (or government) given rights, then that starts sounding like a Liberal argument.

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

Blah, blah, blah, drivel snort, drool, blah, blah... and so on ad nauseum.

You are an argumentative wretch. What exactly do you want here? Through Jesus, you may be saved, but I believe that is wasted advice.

[LocusSolace]

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

You are an argumentative wretch. What exactly do you want here? Through Jesus, you may be saved, but I believe that is wasted advice.

Wow, so even when I agree with one of your members I get called names. You're not inspiring me with a whole lot of confidence about your group.

[Back against wall]

Originally Posted by LocusSolace

Either the Constitution lays out God given rights or it doesn't. If the Constitution is listing God given rights, Mr Trump has no right to try to change it. If the Constitution is listing man (or government) given rights, then that starts sounding like a Liberal argument.

My point is that the Constitution is invalid as it is poorly written and mostly misunderstood or misinterpreted.. It needs to be rectified to reflect Gods law as the Bible demands it.

James Madison wrote the constitution. Madison had a lot of influence from Thomas Jefferson with whom he became great friends. At the time Madison delivered the constitution to Government, Jefferson was the ambassador to France. This I believe should be subject to a great deal of scrutiny. Thomas Jefferson was a fraud and a liar and at this very moment is burning for all eternity in Hell.
Having said that, I believe that the constitution needs to be scrutinized and revised by President Trump when the formalities are all over with. I believe that the True Word™ of God needs to be voiced and Gods word be made common law. The KJV 1611 Bible needs to be put into the constitution as it was written and was always intended to be obeyed. This would eliminate any debate on who, what, where, how or why.
Who's on 1st? God
What's on 2nd? God
What’s the left fielders name? God.
There is no room for debate in the bible. Debate causes War, as do stupid people. Who are the stupid people one might ask --the people who try and debate, argue and interpret the Bible to justify running on their own self-will of course. Ever since Madison presented his draft of the constitution and the American people Government adopted it, people have acted blindly and boastfully about it where people should really be ashamed of it. It is way too open to debate. And what did I say about debate? Debate is what stupid people resort to where/when there is no room for debate. Actually I think that's called arguing, regardless, stupid people. We (True Christians™) do not debate Gods Bible nor are we “stupid people” I won’t argue the Bible. You think I want to go back to where I came from? NO! I still have nightmares. Bloody nightmares.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them. This causes stupidity, which brings on debate due to running on self-will. We True Christians™ need not fear mediocrity as we live Gods will for us. We don't specifically argue with stupid people, we look at stupid people as an opportunity to do Gods good work in the hope of providing Him with more soldiers to handle stupid people.

When President Trump re-writes the constitution the way God intended it to be written, there will be no mistakes, no misconceptions, no room for mistake and no room for debate.

if it isn't in the Bible, it shouldn't be in the constitution.

Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Brother BAW

[LocusSolace]

Originally Posted by Back against wall

My point is that the Constitution is invalid as it is poorly written and mostly misunderstood or misinterpreted.. It needs to be rectified to reflect Gods law as the Bible demands it.

James Madison wrote the constitution. Madison had a lot of influence from Thomas Jefferson with whom he became great friends. At the time Madison delivered the constitution to Government, Jefferson was the ambassador to France. This I believe should be subject to a great deal of scrutiny. Thomas Jefferson was a fraud and a liar and at this very moment is burning for all eternity in Hell.
Having said that, I believe that the constitution needs to be scrutinized and revised by President Trump when the formalities are all over with. I believe that the True Word™ of God needs to be voiced and Gods word be made common law. The KJV 1611 Bible needs to be put into the constitution as it was written and was always intended to be obeyed. This would eliminate any debate on who, what, where, how or why.
Who's on 1st? God
What's on 2nd? God
What’s the left fielders name? God.
There is no room for debate in the bible. Debate causes War, as do stupid people. Who are the stupid people one might ask --the people who try and debate, argue and interpret the Bible to justify running on their own self-will of course. Ever since Madison presented his draft of the constitution and the American people Government adopted it, people have acted blindly and boastfully about it where people should really be ashamed of it. It is way too open to debate. And what did I say about debate? Debate is what stupid people resort to where/when there is no room for debate. Actually I think that's called arguing, regardless, stupid people. We (True Christians™) do not debate Gods Bible nor are we “stupid people” I won’t argue the Bible. You think I want to go back to where I came from? NO! I still have nightmares. Bloody nightmares.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them. This causes stupidity, which brings on debate due to running on self-will. We True Christians™ need not fear mediocrity as we live Gods will for us. We don't specifically argue with stupid people, we look at stupid people as an opportunity to do Gods good work in the hope of providing Him with more soldiers to handle stupid people.

When President Trump re-writes the constitution the way God intended it to be written, there will be no mistakes, no misconceptions, no room for mistake and no room for debate.

if it isn't in the Bible, it shouldn't be in the constitution.

Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Brother BAW

Mr Trump, he's not President yet; and hopefully he will never be.