[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Will R.

They are forgiven and allowed into heaven. The majority of people on earth do not believe in Jesus and it's completely justifiable. There is not actual proof that Jesus existed, it's just faith. Why should a justifiable act be punished so harshly?

No they're not. Who are these people?

REVELATION 14 . KJV . look up
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

[Will R.]

WashingtonPost


Here is an article which provides what I think to be sufficient reasoning that we honestly don't have enough proof that Jesus exists

[Will R.]

Precisely. Only those with an objective view on christianity realize how little sense it makes.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Will R.

Precisely. Only those with an objective view on christianity realize how little sense it makes.

Sweetie, instead of talking (seemingly) to yourself, please reply to my and Miss Handmaiden's posts on the previous page. I answered your questions, and she pointed out some logical inconsistencies in your thinking.

[Will R.]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Sweetie, instead of talking (seemingly) to yourself, please reply to my and Miss Handmaiden's posts on the previous page. I answered your questions, and she pointed out some logical inconsistencies in your thinking.

I was responding to somebody who stated that questioning christianity makes more sense it you do not believe in heaven. sorry

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

What do you think happens to people who reject Jesus' love?

Originally Posted by Will R.

They are forgiven and allowed into heaven.

Why would they need to be forgiven if He doesn't exist?

Have you ever heard of something called logic? It goes like this:

1. IF I jump in front of this speeding train
2. THEN it will hit me

It's what stops most people from jumping in front of trains. Perhaps you're an exception?

Did you notice a requirement when you registered to make an intro. post? Can you guess where a link to the introduction forum may be found? Go on, push the boat out. See if you can do it.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Will R.

While the bible does indeed contain the words of Jesus, all of the quotes of which I found in the bio of one of the members of this forum were not spoken by Jesus himself...

Oh, do tell. Please note, "Forum Members" are simply those who've shown that they can play well with others, but if they haven't attained True Christian™ status, their words are NOT sanctioned by Landover Baptist, Inc.

... Jesus would never have spoken such words. He is accepting of other races. Why else would women such as Mary and Ruth be honored with such respect?

Why don't you go away until you learn the difference between sex and race?

[Thomas Taylor]

Originally Posted by Will R.

I was responding to somebody who stated that questioning christianity makes more sense it you do not believe in heaven. sorry

Hiya Billy,
How can you believe in one and not the other? That makes absolutely no sense at all.


Now please go and pick up the Bible (KJV 1611), you'll probably find it under that table leg you cut too short, and actually read it.


Maybe you will learn something.


Remember, sometimes a little knowledge is dangerous.


YIC
TT

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Thomas Taylor

Hiya Billy,
How can you believe in one and not the other? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

That would happen if you just made stuff up like for example

1. Jesus is the moon
2. Elves are real
3. Satan is not
4. Hell is a super funky joint
5. Pure gold is opaque
6. The garden of Eden was located in Kabul
7. Volcanos do not exist
8. Pope Frank is an angel
9. The archangel Michael is what Gabriel got called when promoted
10. God is the planet Vulcan
11. When we die we become gas and music propagates through us
12. Except people who eat wolves: they become worms
13. There is no Heaven
14. This makes perfect sense because of vibes
15. Christianity v2.09.1

See? There's a Jesus and no Heaven and it all makes sense Q.E.D.

Of course such a made up belief system contradicts The Bible, as we know from The Bible, but the beauty of made up systems is total absence of reality, covered in article 16, but there's no article 16 because there's no reality to cover.

THE ABOVE DOCTRINE IS NOT WHAT I REALLY THINK

No sane person would! And so sane person would believe many of the views we've seen expressed throughout the thread. The Bible is the reason why very much through omission rather than commission. When people reject The Truth they do not believe nothing. They will believe anything! Evidence is jettisoned along with God's Word and all that's left is frippery. And the 16 articles of drivel I made up is nothing compared to what real maniacs come up with when they dis reality. And sure enough just like article 16 it's nowhere to be found.

If anyone does not believe The Bible, SAY SO. If you have another source, POST IT. Because if you seek to set others straight where they've gone astray and you make claims WITHOUT EVIDENCE, why should they accept anything you say?

They should not, and neither do I.

[Christian Gamer14]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

And maybe you could learn a thing or two from Abraham. He was willing to slit his young son's throat from ear to ear and let him bleed out before burning his body to honor God because the Lord told him too.

Read the Bible! He didn't kill Isaac. I'll quote Genesis 22:9-12
"When they arrived at the place where God had told him to go, Abraham built an altar and arranged the wood on it. Then he tied his son, Isaac, and laid him on the altar on top of the wood.10 And Abraham picked up the knife to kill his son as a sacrifice.11 At that moment the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!”
“Yes,” Abraham replied. “Here I am!”
12 “Don’t lay a hand on the boy!” the angel said. “Do not hurt him in any way, for now I know that you truly fear God. You have not withheld from me even your son, your only son.”"
God simply tested Abraham's faith by asking him to kill his own son, and because he didn't hesitate he was rewarded! Maybe you've read the Bible upside down?
God bless

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

And maybe you could learn a thing or two from Abraham. He was willing to slit his young son's throat from ear to ear and let him bleed out before burning his body to honor God because the Lord told him too.

Originally Posted by Christian Gamer14

Read the Bible! He didn't kill Isaac. I'll quote Genesis 22:9-12
"When they arrived at the place where God had told him to go, Abraham built an altar and arranged the wood on it. Then he tied his son, Isaac, and laid him on the altar on top of the wood.10 And Abraham picked up the knife to kill his son as a sacrifice.11 At that moment the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!”
“Yes,” Abraham replied. “Here I am!”
12 “Don’t lay a hand on the boy!” the angel said. “Do not hurt him in any way, for now I know that you truly fear God. You have not withheld from me even your son, your only son.”"
God simply tested Abraham's faith by asking him to kill his own son, and because he didn't hesitate he was rewarded! Maybe you've read the Bible upside down?
God bless

What part of "willing" don't you understand, sweetie?

[Christian Gamer14]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

What part of "willing" don't you understand, sweetie?

Hahahahahahaha, I laugh!


I laugh at you, this whole forum, your congregation of racist, discriminatory, homophobes who can get this story that is so commonly told as a freaking bedtime story wrong!
Yes, even non-christians use it to tuck their kids in.
Yes, he was willing and I know that. The bible said he didn't hesitate when he was called to kill Isaac, but it never came to that. At the final moment before Isaac was stabbed, God stopped Abraham and blessed him for his willingness and faith. If Isaac was killed, the Isrealites, Mary, Joseph and Jesus would never exist because they were from Isaac's line of descendants. None of what took place in the bible that you can quote so well would've ever took place at all and no one would've written the bible.


So think twice before tucking your kids in with the "Abraham killed Isaac" story, maybe they'll sleep better.


God bless you all

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Christian Gamer14

Read the Bible! He didn't kill Isaac. I'll quote Genesis 22:9-12
"When they arrived at the place where God had told him to go, Abraham built an altar and arranged the wood on it. Then he tied his son, Isaac, and laid him on the altar on top of the wood.10 And Abraham picked up the knife to kill his son as a sacrifice.11 At that moment the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!”
“Yes,” Abraham replied. “Here I am!”
12 “Don’t lay a hand on the boy!” the angel said. “Do not hurt him in any way, for now I know that you truly fear God. You have not withheld from me even your son, your only son.”"
God simply tested Abraham's faith by asking him to kill his own son, and because he didn't hesitate he was rewarded! Maybe you've read the Bible upside down?
God bless

Oh, I've read the Bible, and not upside down. I just think that it's interesting to consider the situation from Issac's point of view. I admit, I once woke up from a nap to find my brother holding a small, rusty knife at my neck. But I've never been tied to a cord of wood knowing that the thing was meant to be set on fire and looked up to see my (deeply religious) dad holding a really long blade that I probably saw before being used to kill animals.


All the same, I think that it's great that you know the story. Say, do you have kids?

[Christian Gamer14]

Originally Posted by handmaiden

Say, do you have kids?

I am a 17-year-old male teen in Malaysia where unlike the USA, there are not as many teens getting pregnant. Cuz as far as I can tell, I haven't heard of any in Malaysia anyways
God bless

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Christian Gamer14

Hahahahahahaha, I laugh!


I laugh at you, this whole forum, your congregation of racist, discriminatory, homophobes who can get this story that is so commonly told as a freaking bedtime story wrong!
Yes, even non-christians use it to tuck their kids in.
Yes, he was willing and I know that. The bible said he didn't hesitate when he was called to kill Isaac, but it never came to that. At the final moment before Isaac was stabbed, God stopped Abraham and blessed him for his willingness and faith. If Isaac was killed, the Isrealites, Mary, Joseph and Jesus would never exist because they were from Isaac's line of descendants. None of what took place in the bible that you can quote so well would've ever took place at all and no one would've written the bible.


So think twice before tucking your kids in with the "Abraham killed Isaac" story, maybe they'll sleep better.


God bless you all

Wait, What? Are you suggesting that upon hearing the story of Abraham's devotion to the Lord thy God at bedtime, Christian children will spend too much time wondering which other person God would miraculously have started His Son's lineage through if Isaac weren't in the picture, and would therefore have to stay up and read the genealogies and miss sleep because they'd find themselves on the never ending road down "what if" thinking"? True Christian™ parents don't encourage "what if" thinking, dear. There is only what is, and what isn't. Imagination is a dangerous thing and we find it tends to encourage rational thinking, which God HATES.

[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Christian Gamer14

Epic failure removed

Dear Sinner,

The story of Abraham and Isaac is about obedience (Ecclesiastes 12:13 is a good summary of that concept). The willingness to kill is the point. You must be prepared to do whatever God demands, and only by your submitting totally, may He grant you pardon. The actual pardon is called Heaven. The magnificent storyline from Isaac goes all the way into the New Testament where it re-appears as the guide to Salvation. First, Paul elaborates on it.

Romans 4:2
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Then, James takes up the torch and gives us further instructions.

James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Now it is all clear. The story tells us how we can attain Redemption, how we can spend the Eternity with Jesus.

You have a long way to go.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Alvin Moss]

Originally Posted by Christian Gamer14

there are not as many teens getting pregnant. Cuz as far as I can tell, I haven't heard of any in Malaysia anyways
God bless

You don't get out much, do you?

[Christian Gamer14]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

You have a long way to go.

Dear fellow sinner,
yes I do have a long way to go and I have time to grow too! I'm only 17 this year, heck I'm 16+ because my birthday is in November!

[Christian Gamer14]

Originally Posted by Alvin Moss

You don't get out much, do you?

Dear Alvin,
I'm not the teen who goes out with people who offer prank condoms.
I am Christian, not trademarked, I know what sex is and when it is supposed to be done and so I don't go around having pre-marital sex with some random chick I was hanging out with that decided to hand me a condom while bent over. Let's get that fact straight through your head.


I do get out quite abit, but I'm no outrovert. I'm simply a kind person in a cruel world being what you people would call "a True Christian" tm.

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Christian Gamer14

I am a 17-year-old male teen in Malaysia where unlike the USA, there are not as many teens getting pregnant. Cuz as far as I can tell, I haven't heard of any in Malaysia anyways
God bless

Hmm . . . so you identify yourself as a Christian and you've at least read the story of Abraham and Issac. So, if you heard God's voice in your head (or booming from the clouds) telling you to slit the throat of some child that you loved, would you do it?


Would you do it if God said, "Don't assume that I'm going to let you off the hook as I did with Abraham. I really need you to do this"?


To be a truly obedient Bible-believing follower of God, you have no choice but to obey God's commands, and you can't stand around and question Him. That's the point that we are making here.


Can you kill a child if God commands you to? And in cold blood, I'm not talking about a child in a war zone with grenades strapped to his chest coming towards you and your army buddies.


The child is someone you love and he trusts you. God says take up your knife, and you believe, worship and love God. What do you do?