[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

True, but backing an argument with in-context scripture makes it a heck of a lot easier to tell that he's right.


You didn't answer my question. What do you call it when your pastor passes the plate around at your church? If you can answer my question, you will have answered you own.


Friend, it reminds us of how each and every one of us starts out in life as "unsaved trash", and only through the Grace of God do we ever become anything else.

Why don't you post an introduction thread and tell us about yourself. That will help us learn what you are all about, and start the process of getting a new label under your name.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Either way, I hope I still got my point across.

I know, tithing. :/ I know, you guys do that too, but my point was about the WAY you said it.

Okay, I see what you're saying, and I'll leave it at that. In my opinion, though, this is a website, and I see having to "rank up" to something other than "unsaved trash" as something unnecessary since someone's reputation on this site has nothing to do with their relationship with Christ.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Originally Posted by ThatOneGuy

Now that's just being racist. You're saying Nintendo is evil just because they're from Japan? What the heck?

The Bible tells us to separate ourselves from the ungodly. Yet when you buy a Wii you are basically INVITING them into your home TO PLAY WITH YOUR CHILDREN!

Jesus says: Let us live isolated from the ungodly

Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

2nd Chronicles19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

Job 12:4 I am as one mocked of his neighbour, who calleth upon God, and he answereth him: the just upright man is laughed to scorn.

Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
John 15:20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
John 15:21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

1st Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1st Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

2nd Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2nd Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2nd Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2nd Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2nd Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

1st John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1st John 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

2nd John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2nd John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2nd John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Jesus says: Outsiders are evil

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

2 Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

But since you're a Biblical expert you already knew all that.

And when did I say anything against Americans?

I'm American, and you've called me an idiot. You've never called Bin Laden an idiot. All I'm asking for is some balance.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by Jeb Thurmond

The Bible tells us to separate ourselves from the ungodly. Yet when you buy a Wii you are basically INVITING them into your home TO PLAY WITH YOUR CHILDREN!

Jesus says: Let us live isolated from the ungodly

[shortened to keep the post from being wordy]

But since you're a Biblical expert you already knew all that.



I'm American, and you've called me an idiot. You've never called Bin Laden an idiot. All I'm asking for is some balance.

Inviting who? Japanese people? It's a machine, for crying out loud! Have you even used the Wii? It has a standard interface and lots of buttons just like other machines like the very PC you use. NOWHERE IN THE WII are there mentions of religion.

And again, you don't know even know the religion of the people who made the Wii. What if there were a few Christians in the development team? Huh? What about the Christians living in Japan? What do you have to say to them? That they're being unGodly for living there?

I have Japanese colleagues who are very devoted Christians, and when you say what you said, you're just slapping them across the face because they're Japanese. Again, you're a racist. Did you know America is known as a melting pot? Meaning, we have people of other religions too! Using your logic, people in America are being unGodly. :/

No, I called YOU an idiot, not Americans in general. I've called many people in my lives idiots, but since when did that imply the dislike of Americans? I was born in Sacramento, and proud to be an American myself.

[Dr. Zaius]

Originally Posted by ThatOneGuy

NOWHERE IN THE WII are there mentions of religion..

Therin lies one of the problems...

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Oh, so now the Bible is TOO WORDY for you?

Originally Posted by ThatOneGuy

Inviting who? Japanese people? It's a machine, for crying out loud!

A VCR with a hard-core porn tape in it is just a machine too, for crying out loud!

What about the Christians living in Japan? What do you have to say to them? That they're being unGodly for living there?

I would give you the same mass of scripture proving God wants us to separate ourselves from the unGodly, but the last time I did that you complained that it was "too wordy".

No, I called YOU an idiot, not Americans in general. I've called many people in my lives idiots, but since when did that imply the dislike of Americans?

Yet you still have not called Bin Laden an idiot. It's like you have some sort of avertion to criticizing him.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by Jeb Thurmond

Oh, so now the Bible is TOO WORDY for you?



A VCR with a hard-core porn tape in it is just a machine too, for crying out loud!



I would give you the same mass of scripture proving God wants us to separate ourselves from the unGodly, but the last time I did that you complained that it was "too wordy".



Yet you still have not called Bin Laden an idiot. It's like you have some sort of avertion to criticizing him.

You have obviously never heard of a wall of text. I only did that to make the post more simplified, since the passages were already stated by you.

In that case, burn every VCR and DVD player in the world, because it has the potential to play porn. No seriously, I dare you. And while we're at it, protest the existence of TVs and monitors, since they have the potential to being abused. Do this, and you deserve a freaking medal.

See my first point.

What, do you WANT me to call bin Laden an idiot? What does bin Laden have to do with this conversation anyway? Again, why are you bringing up irrelevent topics?

You, sir, and this whole website are a joke. Sadistic people like yourself should just rot away in the lonely corner of the internet. None of you guys are pastors, and you yourselves have stated this.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

No one here is saying that you aren't capable of resisting such temptations, but not everyone has that strength. We are warned not to offend the weaker brother and cause him to stumble, and we are also warned to abstain from all appearance of evil.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

And the so-called mature people have to pay for that by not having access to it? You fail to realize that every piece of technology has its own dangers. The very computer you use has many times more potential of being misused than a Wii. So why don't you just throw away your computer to prevent your weaker brothers from seeing something bad?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Originally Posted by ThatOneGuy

What, do you WANT me to call bin Laden an idiot?

I don't care either way. You're the one whose loyalty is in question.

What does bin Laden have to do with this conversation anyway? Again, why are you bringing up irrelevent topics?

Islamofacism, the greatest thread America has ever faced, is IRRELEVENT?

Your softness on terror has been noted.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by Jeb Thurmond

I don't care either way. You're the one whose loyalty is in question.



Islamofacism, the greatest thread America has ever faced, is IRRELEVENT?

Your softness on terror has been noted.

If you don't care, then why did you point out that I wasn't calling him an idiot in the first place? You just bring it up and then decide to forget about it.

In this case, yes, it is irrelevant to this conversation, because that is an off-topic matter that was never even mentioned until you brought it up. That subject is probably up for discussion in some other topic in this forum.

Oh and, good job on dodging my other responses in my previous post.