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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 06-01-2013, 06:50 PM

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You're ignorant for failing to detect sarcasm...


Just shows how much atheists agree with each other

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1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 06-02-2013, 12:01 AM

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So, the fact that women are inferior to men (according to the Bible) doesn't bother you ?

No self-esteem ? No pride ?
I did not create the world. Sometimes I share a recipe from a book with others and know that what's in the recipe book will work out OK if they follow the instructions. Now I did not write the recipe book, someone else did; usually they try out different recipes to see if they're any good and if not they don't go in the book.

But say I just make up my own recipe? Well I know what to do because I made it and I can tell someone how to get it to come out properly. But I am not a cake.

God made the world and everything in it: He knows how to get it to come out properly even if we think that roast beef should be cooked in the refigerator or icecream is best stored in a kiln. If I listen to Him and follow His instructions I know that I will come out properly, as He intended, but if I decide to cook myself at 1,000,000° I will fry.

The atheist chooses to fry. Just look around. Godless tyrannies such as Australia, Norway, Canada are stuffed full of crazies born in sin and encouraged to remain in that condition for a lifetime of tawdry pleasure leading to death and


HELL FOREVER

whereas in other places where God's Just Law is respected there is the certainty of everlasting life and an opportunity to praise God unceasingly in Heaven. It's a no brainer.

How could anyone respect another who chooses agony and despair over joy and life? Jesus explains it like this:
John 10:10b I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. LOOK UP
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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 10-21-2013, 04:52 AM

Although I mean no disrespect, I believe your interpretation of every one of those quotations is incorrect.

Every quotation you sited was given as a rule to protect the woman; in a world where she is viewed as an object, it would be very easy for a man to have, marry, lay with, rape, reject, kill or abandon as he wishes, given the rules at that time. The LAW was given to these people to protect the woman. If you rape a woman, you have to marry her. You can't beat, kill or leave her. So think before you rape. If you don't want to marry her, don't rape her.

The idea of the woman's nakedness "belonging" to the man isn't because her nakedness is not her own - the whole point of the law is that you don't have the right to view another man's wife naked. Period. Regardless of how it's worded, that's the only meaning behind any of those verses.

As for the father "owning" the daughter: The father is the caregiver of the woman, of course, because parents should have the best interests of their child in mind. They are the best judges of a potential husband's character; even in today's society, you must admit that, as parents, our children don't make the best decisions for suitors. So yes. Give the parent the consent of who marries the daughter. As for "payment", you have to consider, the daughter is (or, should be) precious to her father, and this is why she must be "paid for". The potential son-in-law must prove himself worthy of marrying the daughter. If he rapes her, he must "pay his dues" to the father and "man up" for what he did.

Imagine how the world could have been, or perhaps was, treating women before these laws. I'd say that it definitely is a step up from "Women are nothing, so treat them as you wish", wouldn't you say?

Also, please recognize that none of the versus you quoted are from the Gospels.

As Christians, we follow Christ. That is, Jesus. Jesus taught the New Testament as a LAW 2.0, if you will. The Jews were raised with the original LAW, and it was good, but it sorely needed an upgrade (no doubt due to self-glorifying people that twisted the ambiguous meaning of the Text), so Jesus came and taught the people a New way of life and living. To learn to be Good, as God wants you to be Good, to "treat others the way you wish to be treated". This includes Women. The Gospels (i.e. M, M, L, J) are the words of Jesus himself. I dare you to find a passage in the Gospels that state that a man can do whatever he wishes to a woman.

If you wish to follow only the Old Testament, and ignore the 4 most prominent, powerful books of the bible, please don't call yourself a Follower of Christ, Jesus.

I understand that this will probably not sway your opinion one way or another, but I think you need to do more research, my friend.

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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 10-21-2013, 05:12 AM

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Every quotation you sited was given as a rule to protect the woman; in a world where she is viewed as an object, it would be very easy for a man to have, marry, lay with, rape, reject, kill or abandon as he wishes, given the rules at that time. The LAW was given to these people to protect the woman.
If women aren't property, don't you think God would have told us that when He gave the law? That would've been a better way to protect women if that was His aim.

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If you rape a woman, you have to marry her. You can't beat, kill or leave her. So think before you rape. If you don't want to marry her, don't rape her.
Sage advice right from the pages of the Bible. And it still applies today.

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Also, please recognize that none of the versus you quoted are from the Gospels.

As Christians, we follow Christ. That is, Jesus. Jesus taught the New Testament as a LAW 2.0, if you will. The Jews were raised with the original LAW, and it was good, but it sorely needed an upgrade (no doubt due to self-glorifying people that twisted the ambiguous meaning of the Text), so Jesus came and taught the people a New way of life and living. To learn to be Good, as God wants you to be Good, to "treat others the way you wish to be treated". This includes Women. The Gospels (i.e. M, M, L, J) are the words of Jesus himself. I dare you to find a passage in the Gospels that state that a man can do whatever he wishes to a woman.

If you wish to follow only the Old Testament, and ignore the 4 most prominent, powerful books of the bible, please don't call yourself a Follower of Christ, Jesus.
You can't be a Christian if you don't believe the Old Testament.


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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 10-21-2013, 05:13 AM

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Although I mean no disrespect, I believe your interpretation of every one of those quotations is incorrect.

Every quotation you sited was given as a rule to protect the woman; in a world where she is viewed as an object, it would be very easy for a man to have, marry, lay with, rape, reject, kill or abandon as he wishes, given the rules at that time. The LAW was given to these people to protect the woman. If you rape a woman, you have to marry her. You can't beat, kill or leave her. So think before you rape. If you don't want to marry her, don't rape her.

The idea of the woman's nakedness "belonging" to the man isn't because her nakedness is not her own - the whole point of the law is that you don't have the right to view another man's wife naked. Period. Regardless of how it's worded, that's the only meaning behind any of those verses.

As for the father "owning" the daughter: The father is the caregiver of the woman, of course, because parents should have the best interests of their child in mind. They are the best judges of a potential husband's character; even in today's society, you must admit that, as parents, our children don't make the best decisions for suitors. So yes. Give the parent the consent of who marries the daughter. As for "payment", you have to consider, the daughter is (or, should be) precious to her father, and this is why she must be "paid for". The potential son-in-law must prove himself worthy of marrying the daughter. If he rapes her, he must "pay his dues" to the father and "man up" for what he did.

Imagine how the world could have been, or perhaps was, treating women before these laws. I'd say that it definitely is a step up from "Women are nothing, so treat them as you wish", wouldn't you say?
I would say. I would also say that we should bring back the LAW as GOD ordained it.

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Also, please recognize that none of the versus you quoted are from the Gospels.
Since you asked.

Matthew 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, andall that he had, and payment to be made.

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As Christians, we follow Christ. That is, Jesus. Jesus taught the New Testament as a LAW 2.0, if you will. The Jews were raised with the original LAW, and it was good, but it sorely needed an upgrade (no doubt due to self-glorifying people that twisted the ambiguous meaning of the Text), so Jesus came and taught the people a New way of life and living.
Can you show me where Jesus ever came to do away with or weaken the LAW?

Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


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To learn to be Good, as God wants you to be Good, to "treat others the way you wish to be treated". This includes Women. The Gospels (i.e. M, M, L, J) are the words of Jesus himself. I dare you to find a passage in the Gospels that state that a man can do whatever he wishes to a woman.
I already showed you where she can be sold.

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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 11-04-2013, 07:09 PM

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This is why no woman will ever respect you. If you are not 100% the master of your household, she will be.
Very true. The liberal of today is a sissy
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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 02-15-2015, 07:34 AM

A donkey can be purchased for about $500 American, which is roughly the equivalent of 1,950 Israeli Shekels. A woman is worth only 50 Shekels. Divide 1,950 by 50 and you get 39.

39 women are worth 1 donkey.
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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 03-22-2017, 01:24 PM

This is so bad. This is not Christianity.
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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 03-22-2017, 01:27 PM

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We all know God has provided us with the relevant prices, inflation proof, cited in The Bible and quoted by posters quite often. If you disagree you need to provide evidence.
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This is so bad. This is not Christianity.
Whoa there, cowboy! How can it A) be in the Bible, and 2) not be Christianity? It would stand to reason that the only non-Christian thing to do would be to reject the teachings of the Bible.


If you aren't following the Bible, you are NOT Christian. If you are following the Bible, you ARE Christian.


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Sinner Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 03-23-2017, 01:35 AM

Jesus lumping Christ, how you you look at yourself in the mirror. How could you so easily follow a god that you believe thinks woman should be treated like a donkey. This is the kind of shit you would expect before the middle ages. Seriously, you have to be sick in the head and you need professional help.
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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 03-23-2017, 01:38 AM

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Jesus lumping Christ, how you you look at yourself in the mirror. How could you so easily follow a god that you believe thinks woman should be treated like a donkey. This is the kind of shit you would expect before the middle ages. Seriously, you have to be sick in the head and you need professional help.
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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 03-23-2017, 04:57 AM

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Jesus lumping Christ, how you you look at yourself in the mirror. How could you so easily follow a god that you believe thinks woman should be treated like a donkey. This is the kind of shit you would expect before the middle ages. Seriously, you have to be sick in the head and you need professional help.
You have a potty mouth, young lady. Furthermore it is clear you have never read the Bible. And for the record, the gist of the original post was not treating women like donkeys, but rather that like donkeys, God wants us to treat women as property.


I mean seriously, women are not synonymous with donkeys. First, they require specialized bits and bridles not available at your local feed and tack store. Lacking the body strength of a donkey, one must purchase lightweight carts to attach them to. It is quite impractical to use them as beasts of burden on a farm, requiring at least a team of six to haul a couple cords of wood or a decent stack of hay bales. They are in possession of minimal stamina, meaning that if used for transportation one must maintain nearly flat paths.


No, it really isn't worth the effort to use them like donkeys, and I can't imagine anyone actually having a stable for such use on a discrete central Texas farm surrounded by miles of privacy fence and containing paved, flat paths meandering through the stumpy trees where women are kept and used as draft mares for the amusement of their owner. That's just ridiculous, and I cannot pretend to grasp what sort of a perverted atheist mind would even think of such a thing! Frankly, you disgust me, madam!


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Before considering unsubstantiated claims I usually read the introduction from new posters. This gives me a better idea where you're "coming from" but in your posts across several threads despite requests you have not included any Scripture and I can't find your introductory post which, as I've already pointed out, is probably superfluous to understanding what motivates you. But it is a requirement for new posters.
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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 05-29-2017, 04:02 PM

Very well said Sir!
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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 05-29-2017, 05:03 PM

Deuteronomy 5:21

Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any
thing that is thy neighbor's.


This commandment mentions the wife first,rather than the ass (donkey) likely because of the earlier commandment regarding adultery.


The outcome of coveting a wife is adultery, whereas the outcome of coveting a donkey is theft. Adultery is seven on the list, and stealing is eight. Given that honoring God and not any other deities is first on the list, we can see the Ten Commandments as a clear indication of God's priorities.


Adultery is a bigger issue to God than stealing. But coveting any property belonging to one's neighbor is still a "not" rather than a "shall." There is no commandment stating a "not" position for regarding women as property.



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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 05-29-2017, 05:28 PM

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Deuteronomy 5:21

Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any
thing that is thy neighbor's.


This commandment mentions the wife first, rather than the ass (donkey) likely because of the earlier commandment regarding adultery.
The order is interesting, Sister. You will notice that Deuteronomy differs from Exodus 20:17, which places the house above the wife, a house being presumably of higher value and more difficult to replace.

In terms of punishment, as you say we need to bear in mind the likely consequences of the coveting, i.e. adultery vs. theft. Pastor Enoe has clearly set out their relative severity in his post The Ten Commandments and their Punishments.


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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 06-05-2017, 11:25 PM

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Women are not property.They are to submit to their Husbands as they do unto the lord.
The lord is the head of the world.
He is kind, loving, and forgiving. He provides everything we need(spiritually.)
Husbands should be kind, loving, and forgiving. And they should try to provide everything his family needs.(Physically and spiritually.)


No where.
Absolutely no where.
Does it say women are property.
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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 06-05-2017, 11:29 PM

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...No where.
Absolutely no where.
Does it say women are property.
Um, Exodus 20:17 (NASB) "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

Yeah.


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Default Re: Women are property of men, just like donkeys! - 06-05-2017, 11:42 PM

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Um, Exodus 20:17 (NASB) "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

Yeah.
That's a list of things you should not covet.
If I said you should not:
Destroy a road that your neighbor drive on.
Or anything that belongs to your neighbor.


Does that mean that all roads the neighbor drives on are his?
No.
They're separate things.
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