[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by logo73

But then it can be, that this 'soul' thing or stoff or whatevery does not exist (and therefore can not be measured).

Or can I make up anything and just say, that it can not be measured, when someone asks for proofs. What a good idea!

Show me dark matter.

[loco73]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

So when is the cut off time for an historical record Logo? 500AD, 1500AD, 1950? Should be burn all the other records from the classical era while we are at it? The Greeks, Romans, Persians, Sumerians, Arkadians, Assyrians, Hittites, Minoans, most all we know about them is based on "old books"

First of all, the Bible is not a historic record. Bed time stories from the Bronze-Age are not history.
And second, all the old books are doing very badly when it comes to moral values. Today's values have changed and will constantly change. Do not adhere to the values of Bronze-Age people.
Good is not always good and bad is not always bad. Today, we know about that.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by logo73

First of all, the Bible is not a historic record. Bed time stories from the Bronze-Age are not history.

I believe Brother Bobby-Joe has already clearly laid out that the Bible is from the Classical period, long after the Bronze Age and even after the Iron Age.

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

The Bible is not from the Bronze Age, it's from the Iron Age or more properly the Classical Period.

Bronze Age 3300 - 1200 BC

Iron Age 1200 - 600 BC

Classical Period 600 BC to 500 AD

Keep in mind Israel as a Kingdom only starts up around 1250 BC and most of The Old Testament was written down or collected during the Babylonian Exile 588 to 538 BC and the earliest New Testament books were written in 80AD. That puts The Bible squarely in the Hellenistic Culture of Greeks who Atheists get so dewy-eyed over.

Are you really this stupid?

Never mind, I've figured out the answer to that question.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer

Are you really this stupid?

Never mind, I've figured out the answer to that question.

He just wants to keep reiterating the same unproven assumption that the Bible isn't the word of God over and over again until someone finally caves in. I don't think he really understands faith or how unlikely it is that any of us will suddenly come round to his way of thinking if he does this.

[Bob4God]

Originally Posted by logo73

And second, all the old books are doing very badly when it comes to moral values. Today's values have changed and will constantly change. Do not adhere to the values of Bronze-Age people.
Good is not always good and bad is not always bad. Today, we know about that.

This is a common atheist deception.

The truth is, morality never changes.

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. - Psalm 119:160

The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. - Psalm 12:6-7

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. - Hebrews 13:8

Society's perception of morality may change over time, but that is only because we mistakenly turned our back on GOD's orders to immediately kill anyone who disagrees with Holy Scripture.

Had we stopped sin before it got started, we could still be living in the paradise of the ancient times when sheep herders would dutifully roam the desert praising GOD all day, stoning sinners to death, curing diseases by simply praying them away, and sending women out of the camp every time they started to bleed from their lady parts. Oh, for the good old holy days.

JESUS, please come quickly! Amen!

[Faith_Machine]

I'm sorry, I thought we were here to discuss Dr. Isaiah Jones' stunning research, not babysit addle-brained teenagers.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by logo73

First of all, the Bible is not a historic record. Bed time stories from the Bronze-Age are not history.

How many times we have to get this in your freaking stupid head that The Bible was NOT written in the Bronze Age??

Originally Posted by logo73

And second, all the old books are doing very badly when it comes to moral values. Today's values have changed and will constantly change. Do not adhere to the values of Bronze-Age people.
Good is not always good and bad is not always bad. Today, we know about that.

I see, so killing and stealing is suddenly ok?

[Mistress Cookie]

Originally Posted by logo73

First of all, the Bible is not a historic record. Bed time stories from the Bronze-Age are not history.

BED TIME story ? ?

Listen, God™ had to authorize the wording in the Bible™, so that means a First Hand Witness -- NOT to mention one of the
key players -- was involved in getting the true story out there. How dare you.
.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Mistress Cookie

BED TIME story ? ?

Listen, God™ had to authorize the wording in the Bible™, so that means a First Hand Witness -- NOT to mention one of the
key players -- was involved in getting the true story out there. How dare you.
.

I don't understand that poster, Sister.

They took God out of their schools, and turned French?

[Henry Brown]

This is very interesting to say the least. I am an Australian and have a lot of sexual experience with kangaroos. I have often wondered why they have such a weird appearance.

To all the people that think kangaroos are purely vegetarians think again. When I was young we had a pet kangaroo, and it used to love sausages and mince meat. Especially mine.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer

They took God out of their schools, and turned French?

It is worse than I thought!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Henry Brown

This is very interesting to say the least. I am an Australian and have a lot of sexual experience with kangaroos. I have often wondered why they have such a weird appearance.

To all the people that think kangaroos are purely vegetarians think again. When I was young we had a pet kangaroo, and it used to love sausages and mince meat. Especially mine.

You make me sick, but then all Austrians do.

[loco73]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

How many times we have to get this in your freaking stupid head that The Bible was NOT written in the Bronze Age??

I see, so killing and stealing is suddenly ok?

It depends on the viewpoint and on the group, which you belong to. Whole species have died out and nobody cried any tear for them.

Just for humans it makes sense not to kill other humans (of their own group/country), because they help each other to survive.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by logo73

It depends on the viewpoint and on the group, which you belong to. Whole species have died out and nobody cried any tear for them.

Just for humans it makes sense not to kill other humans (of their own group/country), because they help each other to survive.

What? What has this got to do with anything that has been said?

Is it wrong to kill each other or not?

[Faith_Machine]

Originally Posted by logo73

It depends on the viewpoint and on the group, which you belong to. Whole species have died out and nobody cried any tear for them.

Just for humans it makes sense not to kill other humans (of their own group/country), because they help each other to survive.

You really are daft.

1) God's laws concerning when you can and can not slay your fellow man are literally written in stone. You must follow God's laws regardless of what stupid viewpoint you happen to hold, and regardless of which stupid group you belong to.

2) It makes sense not to kill other humans because they help each other to survive? Really? I'll be sure and remind you of that the next time some drunken Irishman is trying to break into your home and rape your womenfolk. Don't kill him, he's somehow helping you to survive!

[loco73]

Originally Posted by Faith_Machine

You really are daft.
2) It makes sense not to kill other humans because they help each other to survive? Really? I'll be sure and remind you of that the next time some drunken Irishman is trying to break into your home and rape your womenfolk. Don't kill him, he's somehow helping you to survive!

Correct. Just as I said. No rule is absolute. There are no absolute values. Values depend on the viewpoint.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by logo73

Correct. Just as I said. No rule is absolute. There are no absolute values. Values depend on the viewpoint.

So if the viewpoint is that God hates queers and they should be executed that's all OK by you?

Cool! I thought the bleeding hearts would fight when we reinstate God's laws.

[loco73]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

So if the viewpoint is that God hates queers and they should be executed that's all OK by you?

Cool! I thought the bleeding hearts would fight when we reinstate God's laws.

No, because you misunderstood the word 'viewpoint'.

One example:

What was the invasion in Iraq? Good or bad? Bad, because many children were bombed and died and US-companies just tried to get access to the oil.
But on the other hand side, US-oil workers also have families and children. And these will survive better and will not have to move into slums, if 'daddy' has work, because there is cheap oil available. So, for these children, it's 'good'. But now, Kurds got (most) of the oil and again it's good for them, but bad for others. At least, some Turks will again be angry about that fact. So, what is it? Good or bad? That's what I meant with 'viewpoint'. I should use the word 'party' or 'group'.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by logo73

No, because you misunderstood the word 'viewpoint'.

One example:

What was the invasion in Iraq? Good or bad? Bad, because many children were bombed and died and US-companies just tried to get access to the oil.
But on the other hand side, US-oil workers also have families and children. And these will survive better and will not have to move into slums, if 'daddy' has work, because there is cheap oil available. So, for these children, it's 'good'. But now, Kurds got (most) of the oil and again it's good for them, but bad for others. At least, some Turks will again be angry about that fact. So, what is it? Good or bad? That's what I meant with 'viewpoint'. I should use the word 'party' or 'group'.

So it's not OK to kill queers if you personally don't agree with it? Or is it absolutely immoral under all circumstances? Make your mind up.

You see, in a country with God's laws it would be the norm to execute queers so by your ridiculous moral relativism it would be the right thing to do.

The fact it IS the right thing to do is entirely coincidental to your reasoning.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Originally Posted by logo73

Correct. Just as I said. No rule is absolute. There are no absolute values. Values depend on the viewpoint.

So, you would concede that slavery and genocide are sometimes acceptable practices, depending on various conditions? Some liberals are very closed minded about these things.

What about the Commandments of God? Aren't they a sufficient rationale to institute such things?

So when you say that slavery is wrong, and genocide is wrong, you are denying our right to practice our religion in any meaningful way. The Bible commands us to have these institutions.