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Default LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Services. - 07-02-2012, 01:10 AM

I am happy to serve of the Outreach Committee here at Landover Baptist.

Recently, our Committee hired a consultant to see if there was anything our Church might do differently.

The consultant reccommended we hire someone to stand next to the Pastor and use sign language to communicate the Pastors words. That way, the consultant said, people who are deaf could enjoy the services.

The Outreach Committee is reccommending we do not hire someone to sign. Every member of the Committee agreed we have no obligation to serve handicapped people of any kind, especially deaf people.

Thank you for this opportunity to report to the General Congragation here at Landover Baptist Church.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/wh...-church-77510/


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Default Re: LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Servies. - 07-02-2012, 01:33 AM

Praise Jesus! I have long thought that the church would benefit from a rigorous inspection from a business-minded individual. These are the sorts of things that we should focus on! After all, those potential customers/converts might be so put off by unclean restrooms so as to avoid tithing at all!

That being said, we need to be judicious in our work. We don't want to offend God in the search for new customers. Clearly the Good Lord has afflicted those among the deaf community for some sin, whether recent or in the distant, distant past (see Exodus 20:5). However, it is just common sense to ensure that we keep our restrooms clean and our parking ample. That way there are very few barriers to entry!

Have we considered creating a Landover Special Pew Inspection Force (SPIF)? I am certain that those "Christians" who happen to have seemingly bottomless bank accounts would pay handsomely for our experience in drawing in new customers! This might be another tax-free revenue stream that we should consider!


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Default Re: LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Services. - 07-02-2012, 03:30 AM

When I met with the Outreach Committee I told them flat out that Jesus and I would not accept such a thing. I can't stand watching those freaks contort themselves up on stage right next to a Pastor's Pulpit. It's too distracting. And Jesus didn't talk like a spastic.


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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Services. - 07-02-2012, 03:58 AM

The Holy Bible clearly tells us that cripples (which include deaf people) are repulsive in the Eyes of God. Even those in the lineage of Aaron were not allowed to profane the House of the LORD with their unseemly presence.

Leviticus 21:16-24
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.
Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.
And Moses told it unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel.

Our Creator cannot stand the site of hellbound retardeds and cripples! Why should we even consider for a second letting deaf people attend Sunday services with our Godly congregation?


II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power



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Default Re: LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Services. - 07-02-2012, 10:35 AM

We must also consider that sign language may be confused with gang signs and thus invite minority hoodlums to start a turf war right in the middle of God's worship.

Can't be too careful these days.

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Default Re: LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Services. - 07-02-2012, 10:47 AM

If people can't bothered to listen properly I see no reason to spend good money on the lazy.

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Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Default Re: LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Services. - 07-02-2012, 01:09 PM

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sign language .. deaf
God does mention sign language
Luke 1:62-63 And they made signs to his father, how he would have him called. And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all.
KJV
In this case the father (Zacharias) had been struck dumb because he doubted the word of Gabriel:
Luke 1:19-20 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings. And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.
KJV
That is not a typical example, however. Being informed that your baby is John the Baptist would be more unique than typical. God has different advice for the more usual form of deafness (demon possession):


DEMON POSSESSION
Mark 9:25-27 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.
KJV

GOD'S ADVICE
Isaiah 42:18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
KJV


We know that all this is in accordance with God's plan:
Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
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Of course we should not laugh at deaf people, or trip the blind but neither should we pretend that they are "normal" — and demoniacs are not permitted in the Congregation of The Lord.
Praise God!
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Default Re: LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Services. - 07-02-2012, 01:20 PM

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If people can't bothered to listen properly I see no reason to spend good money on the lazy.

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Good point, Brother Niles---One of our committee members pointed out that every "deaf" person she had ever seen had two ears. Why would they have ears and still claim they can't hear, she wondered?


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Default Re: LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Services. - 07-02-2012, 02:46 PM

Ugh. This is wrong on so many levels.
First, God made people deaf to punish them. I cannot see how we are serving the Lord by coddling these people. I for one, have no desire to have God blind me or cause some other horrible thing to happen because I wanted to accommodate someones infirmity. I say these people need to pray to God for Him to cure them.
Secondly, the last thing I want standing next to my Pastor (dressed in the finest linens money can buy) is some 'do-gooder' wearing (most likely) mixed fabrics waving their arms about like a retard. I come to Church to be immersed in Gods message, not watch a freak show.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Default Re: LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Services. - 07-02-2012, 02:53 PM

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Of course we should not laugh at deaf people, or trip the blind
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Do you all not remember the redemption of Lebanon in Isaiah 29? "...In that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness." You should, as Isaiah 42:19 requires, "Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears." Will you not rejoice when "the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped?" Isaiah 35:5 And remember the impression Jesus made in Mark 9:25: "...he maketh both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak."

If the deaf were good enough for Jesus, why aren't they good enough for you?


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Well, that's a rare moment of compassion for the less fortunate from a trademarked True Christian.

Do you all not remember the redemption of Lebanon in Isaiah 29? "...In that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness." You should, as Isaiah 42:19 requires, "Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears." Will you not rejoice when "the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped?" Isaiah 35:5 And remember the impression Jesus made in Mark 9:25: "...he maketh both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak."

If the deaf were good enough for Jesus, why aren't they good enough for you?
Friend, I'd never laugh at a deaf person or trip a blind person. The deaf person could not hear me and the blind person, well, it is not a challenge.
God struck these evil people with afflictions for a reason. They know perfectly well if they atone for their sins and make good to God, He will cure them. In the mean time, coddling these 'people' is like peeing on Jesus toes.
So I speak to others with my back turned toward the deaf and I watch TV with the sound off in the presence of the blind.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Don't you already have a Jumbotron screen in the parking lot across the street from the LBC's main cathedral so cripples can watch the sermons? Why not just have somebody type subtitles as the sermons are delivered? I'm sure some of the girls in the Landover typing pool would be up to the challenge. Problem solved!


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Well, that's a rare moment of compassion for the less fortunate from a trademarked True Christian.

Do you all not remember the redemption of Lebanon in Isaiah 29? "...In that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness." You should, as Isaiah 42:19 requires, "Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears." Will you not rejoice when "the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped?" Isaiah 35:5 And remember the impression Jesus made in Mark 9:25: "...he maketh both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak."
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Leviticus 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
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Don't you already have a Jumbotron screen in the parking lot across the street from the LBC's main cathedral so cripples can watch the sermons? Why not just have somebody type subtitles as the sermons are delivered? I'm sure some of the girls in the Landover typing pool would be up to the challenge. Problem solved!
A wonderful idea, Brother! It is possible some of the deaf haven't heard of Jesus. Maybe they could read of Him, and then be healed!


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Default Re: LBC Committee Recommends No Sign Language at Services. - 07-03-2012, 02:02 AM

Thank you, Reverend Rodimer!

I've been thinking about it, though, and I do have some concern that if the girls can't type fast enough, or if they suffer from any degree of female hysteria, they might be tempted to use abbreviations or in some other way embellish or alter the pastor's words.

Therefore, if the LBC were to implement this plan, I think it would be important to have a good man with full possession of his hearing faculties watch that text feed like a hawk. Maybe he could have a button he could press that would administer a mild electrical shock to the typist any time she flubs the pastor's lines?

Just a thought.


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God struck these evil people with afflictions for a reason. They know perfectly well if they atone for their sins and make good to God, He will cure them.
"Jesus said unto them, if ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth." John 9:41


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"Jesus said unto them, if ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth." John 9:41
Friend, all people are born full of sin. God is telling you that it is harder for a blind person to sin. He is not saying that the blind do not sin, just it is less likely. However, He makes no mention of the hideous sins the person made prior to going blind.
Did you know, the number one reason for blindness is masturbation? My ex-wifes (RIP) brother masturbated most of his life until God made him blind. God killed him a few years later for good measure.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
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Did you know, the number one reason for blindness is masturbation? My ex-wifes (RIP) brother masturbated most of his life until God made him blind. God killed him a few years later for good measure.
Thank you, Brother Hutchins. So many of us blush rather than point out the truth about masturbation. Our preachers at LBC lash out at that sin and the City Government of Freehold advocates a masturbation-free City.

Just for the record, we have no blind people in either place.


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All that arm waving is distracting. It's like being at a negro church.

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