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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-20-2006, 05:39 PM

Fish, you dumb homer! The Catlick church is nothing more than the purveyor of evil on earth!

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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-22-2006, 12:51 AM

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Ok, fair call.

Explain this verse to me then:

Matthew 16:18



And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Explain it again?

The notion that Christ should build His church on SATAN Peter is so stupid that the Mary worshippers don't even believe it themselves. But SATAN Peter - for all his faults - had FAITH, and it was on this FAITH that Our Lord built His church. PRAISE.

I'll let your own top fish-head explain it to you, Fish. Right from the Devil's foul mouth as it were - quoting the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

424 http://www.vatican.va Moved by the grace on the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Mat 16:16) On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church. (Mat 16:18, St Leo the Great - Sermo 4,3; Sermo 51,1; Sermo 62,2; Sermo 83,3 )

442 http://www.vatican.va ... And in the synagogues immediately [Paul] proclaimed Jesus, saying, 'He is the Son of God.'" (Acts 9:12) From the beginning this acknowledgment of Christ's divine sonship will be the center of the apostolic faith, first professed by Peter as the Church's foundation. ( cf. 1 Thess 1:10, Jn 20:31; Mt 16:18)

That's the official Catholic explanation: The Church was founded on rock-solid FAITH. Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate that Peter founded any churches, that Peter was a "specially gifted" apostle, that Peter ever was in Rome or that Peter could pass his "special gift" on to a succession of fish-heads.
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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-23-2006, 01:58 AM

Could you give me the exact reference to the page where it says the Church was built on the "faith" of Peter? because that is a very protestant thing to say.

By the way there is sufficient evidence that Peter was in Rome, was crucified in Rome and is buried in Rome. Under the Basillica.
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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-23-2006, 12:56 PM

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Could you give me the exact reference to the page where it says the Church was built on the "faith" of Peter? because that is a very protestant thing to say.
You don't get anything, do you, Fishtank? Pastor gave you direct quotes from your own unholy catechism to prove his point. Then again, if you're finally ready to disavow your satanic book of lies, then good for you -- you may eventually be Saved® after all. Shout glory!

By the way, you keep ducking the question of how you get from that one Scripture verse to the notion that Jesus for some reason set up an "apostolic succession" of boy-touchers that became today's Roman institution.

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By the way there is sufficient evidence that Peter was in Rome, was crucified in Rome and is buried in Rome. Under the Basillica.
What evidence is that? Anyone can say that there is sufficient evidence for something. There is sufficient evidence that the sun rises in the west. See how easy that was?


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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-23-2006, 11:58 PM

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What evidence is that? Anyone can say that there is sufficient evidence for something. There is sufficient evidence that the sun rises in the west. See how easy that was?
Are you saying you have sufficient evidence that Peter wasn't in Rome?
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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-24-2006, 12:48 AM

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Are you saying you have sufficient evidence that Peter wasn't in Rome?
Typical papist reverse logic. You made the affirmative statement, thus the onus is on you to back it up with the ample evidence you claim is laying around for all to see.

You cannot demand that someone prove a negative. Its a logical impossibility, fool. Brother More was pointing out that you are quick at making wild claims, but quite slow and even evasive when it comes to backing them up.

In other words, you are a liar, fishface.


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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-24-2006, 12:52 AM

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In other words, you are a liar, fishface.
I'll ignore that statement.

But history tells us that St Peter was in Rome and was martyred in Rome. These are events that took place AFTER the book of Acts leaves us off.
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I'll ignore that statement.

But history tells us that St Peter was in Rome and was martyred in Rome. These are events that took place AFTER the book of Acts leaves us off.
...Still waiting for actual proof, liar. Your cult is based on lies, so no one will take your word on anything.


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Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Are you saying you have sufficient evidence that Peter wasn't in Rome?
No, Brother MSTT is politely pointing out that you have ignored direct quotes from your own unholy catechism.

Your infallible popes agree - in the catechism I quoted - that the church is founded on SATAN Peter's faith. I know this is not what the infallible popes used to say, but that's today's infallible opinion.

It's the same thing about Hell. After your infallible popes have made the selling of letters of indulgences into a major industry for centuries, your infallible Pope John Paul suddenly decided on July 28th 1999 that "Hell is just a state of mind":

From this Catholic page: " [...] the pain, frustration and emptiness of life without God. More than a physical place, hell is the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy."

Your infallible JP II learned the Truth® too late. Don't let the same thing happen to you, fish-fry. Or like your infallible Pope, you'll make a good friar.
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These are events that took place AFTER the book of Acts leaves us off.
So why are these wonderful "events" not reported by Paul in his epistles? Why doesn't Peter refer to them in his own epistles?
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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-24-2006, 06:34 PM

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I'll ignore that statement.

But history tells us that St Peter was in Rome and was martyred in Rome. These are events that took place AFTER the book of Acts leaves us off.
Fish, please! You talk nonsense and argue non-facts. If you are on a Magical Mystery tour of the Vatican, well and good. The lower classes of foreigner are always impressed by a show of wealth, especially by a bunch of old men wearing dresses. But if you are trying to argue THEOLOGY, you are doing a miserable job.


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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-24-2006, 09:50 PM

BAHAHAHAHA! Pope Ratstinker requires that kool-aid cups be cleaned by butt-boys and in the process nullifies every communion given in America since 2002.


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Lay ministers may not cleanse Communion vessels, Pope Benedict says

By Nancy Frazier O'Brien
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WASHINGTON (CNS) -- At the direction of Pope Benedict XVI, extraordinary ministers of holy Communion will no longer be permitted to assist in the purification of the sacred vessels at Masses in the United States.

In an Oct. 23 letter, Bishop William S. Skyclad, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, asked his fellow bishops to inform all pastors of the change, which was prompted by a letter from Cardinal Francis Arinze, prefect of the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments.

The U.S. bishops had asked the Vatican to extend an indult -- or church permission -- in effect since 2002 allowing extraordinary ministers of holy Communion to help cleanse the Communion cups and plates when there were not enough priests or deacons to do so.

Bishop Skyclad, who heads the Diocese of Spokane, Wash., said Cardinal Arinze asked Pope Benedict about the matter during a June 9 audience, "and received a response in the negative."

Noting that the General Instruction of the Roman Missal "directs that the sacred vessels are to be purified by the priest, the deacon or an instituted acolyte," the cardinal said in his Oct. 12 letter that "it does not seem feasible, therefore, for the congregation to grant the requested indult from this directive in the general law of the Latin Church."

Although receiving Communion under both kinds is a "more complete" sign of the sacrament's meaning, Cardinal Arinze said, "Christ is fully present under each of the species."

"Communion under the species of the bread alone, as a consequence, makes it possible to receive all the fruit of eucharistic grace," he added.

Another "legitimate option" when "the high number of communicants may render it inadvisable for everyone to drink from the chalice" is intinction -- the practice of dipping the consecrated host into the consecrated wine -- "with reception on the tongue always and everywhere," the cardinal's letter said.

Along with the letters from Bishop Skyclad and Cardinal Arinze, bishops received a new resource prepared by the bishops' Committee on the Liturgy titled "Seven Questions on the Distribution of Holy Communion Under Both Kinds."

The committee document also suggested distribution of Communion by consecrated bread alone or by intinction when the number of communicants makes the purification of vessels by priests, deacons or instituted acolytes alone "pastorally problematic."

"Priests should also keep in mind potential risks associated with intinction, especially in the coming flu season," the document added.

The committee said extraordinary ministers of holy Communion may continue to "consume what remains of the precious blood from their chalice of distribution with permission of the diocesan bishop."

The document notes that the "extraordinary ministry" by which laypeople distribute Communion "was created exclusively for those instances where there are not enough ordinary ministers to distribute holy Communion, due to the consummate importance of assuring that the faithful have the opportunity to receive holy Communion at Mass, even when it is distributed under both species."

Ordinary ministers of Communion are priests and deacons, with instituted acolytes being permitted in the Roman Missal to help the priest or deacon "to purify and arrange the sacred vessels."

In the United States, instituted acolytes, who must be male, generally are seminarians preparing for priesthood.


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BAHAHAHAHA! Pope Ratstinker requires that kool-aid cups be cleaned by butt-boys and in the process nullifies every communion given in America since 2002.
Mother Rome, ever unchanging and always possessed of perfect truth, is the same now as in the year 33. ROFLOLWJ! I can hardly wait to see how Fishbait will spin this one.


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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-25-2006, 12:12 AM

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So why are these wonderful "events" not reported by Paul in his epistles? Why doesn't Peter refer to them in his own epistles?
According to your "reasoning" Baptists do not exist because they are not recorded in the Bible.

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According to your "reasoning" Baptists do not exist because they are not recorded in the Bible.

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Now you have lost your ability to count just as you have lost your ability to reason. Does "JOHN THE BAPTIST" ring a bell in the dark recesses of your mind? Or did you think it said "John the Catholic"?
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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 10-25-2006, 12:22 AM

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So you are followers of John the Baptist? Fair enough.

We follow Jesus.
I believe we were discussing whether or not Baptists were mentioned in the Bible. You said they were not and I proved you wrong. Once again you have come to a theological debate unarmed and outwitted.


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Default Re: Catholic Perversion Throughout History - 11-10-2006, 10:41 PM

The Catholic Church does a valuable service when it preaches about social welfare, war, or the death penalty. On the other hand, on abortion, contraception, and gay marriage, it should just shut up and respect separation of church and state.
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The Catholic Church does a valuable service when it preaches about social welfare, war, or the death penalty. On the other hand, on abortion, contraception, and gay marriage, it should just shut up and respect separation of church and state.
Ingy,, the catlick church is owned by SATAN and run by the AntiChrist. The only 'valuable' service they perform is being a bad example.


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The Catholic Church does a valuable service when it preaches about social welfare, war, or the death penalty. On the other hand, on abortion, contraception, and gay marriage, it should just shut up and respect separation of church and state.
And what about their stance on buggering children? I suppose you support that 100%.


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