[Bright Eyes]

Originally Posted by JennyD

We're Christians, and we follow the Bible. Just like Barack Obama, and 78% of the American population.


No, we call you a heathen because you're a non-Christian.

Because you are a non-Christian, you refuse to take charge of your household, and you promote homosexuality, incest, and pedophilia.

Wrong. Nice try.

78% of Americans may be Christians (that number seems a bit high, but I'll look past that) but that doesn't mean they all live in abusive households. It is possible to believe in god, practice the christian faith, and still love your wife and never become violent towards her. My parents are Christians, however I grew up in a very warm and loving home. They love each other deeply and I could never imagine my father becoming violent towards my mother. He's a very kind man and she is a very sweet woman.
And I hope you aren't implying that all atheists support pedophilia, this would only make you look ignorant and foolish. I am atheist because I believe the bible is factually incorrect, it has nothing to do with my morals. Pedophilia is morally wrong, I know that because I'm a good person, not because of any religion.
A real man can support a family and supply them with happiness and warmth without ever laying a finger on them. I grew up in a wonderful household, there was never a violent act comitted. If I did something wrong, I was punished by having something taken away and was told why what I did was wrong. No real man would ever resort to hitting a woman or a child. It's disgusting to even think of such a thing.

[Nurse Clampett]

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

BLAH...BLAH...SNIP.

I thought you said you were leaving.

[Bright Eyes]

Originally Posted by Nurse Clampett

I thought you said you were leaving.

Well, I was going to, but I got kind of into what I was saying.
I will be leaving shortly. I just like to debate, that's all. I think it's rewarding for both sides. In the end you have some new philosophies to think about which is never a bad thing. Whether you decide you agree or disagree with something, it's always worth it to give it some decent thought.
I'm not here to tell anyone what to believe, I just want to give you something to think about.
After all, we all know where an idle mind leads.

[JennyD]

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

Wrong. Nice try.

78% of Americans may be Christians (that number seems a bit high, but I'll look past that) but that doesn't mean they all live in abusive households.

Wrong. You are a non-Christian, so you think that what is good and normal and just, as "just" is defined by God, is "abusive".

Can't you see that you're depraved?

Surely, Barry Obama gives Michelle a spanking now and then!

[Bright Eyes]

Originally Posted by JennyD

Wrong. You are a non-Christian, so you think that what is good and normal and just, as "just" is defined by God, is "abusive".

Can't you see that you're depraved?

Surely, Barry Obama gives Michelle a spanking now and then!

I'm depraved? Your username suggests you're a woman. Are you telling me you would want a man to beat you if you did something wrong?
I'm sorry but it sounds like you've been tricked out of your self worth. You don't deserve to be hit for any reason and it's a shame that not only do you expect it, but you actually welcome it!
I can assure you that most homes are not abusive. Most men are repulsed when they think of a child or woman being hit. Don't feed me any of your "the bible says it's right!" bullshit. If you go outside and talk to real people, you'll come to find out that violence like that is looked down upon in this day and age.
Wouldn't you rather be loved and seen as an equel? A home is supposed to be a warm, safe place. The fear of violence should never find it's way there, if anything, that should be the place you feel safest. You should expect to love and be loved without violence.

[Bright Eyes]

With all that being said, I'm signing off. Like I said, I have no intention of telling you what to believe, I just want to give you something to think about. It's good to think things over and come up with your own conclusion after a good analysis.
Good luck to everyone in the future, I hope you lead long, healthy, fulfilling lives.

[JennyD]

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

I'm depraved? Your username suggests you're a woman. Are you telling me you would want a man to beat you if you did something wrong?

Of course not! The only people who would have the right to discipline me if I did something wrong would be my father (deceased) or my husband (deceased).

I'm sorry but it sounds like you've been tricked out of your self worth. You don't deserve to be hit for any reason and it's a shame that not only do you expect it, but you actually welcome it!

Why is it you liberals want to accept any culture for what it is, unless it's Christian? Christians are always wrong, right?

[Nobar King]

I'll never understand why some people are so against discipline. Or spanking. This person is clearly a Godless anarchist.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

With all that being said, I'm signing off. Like I said, I have no intention of telling you what to believe, I just want to give you something to think about.

Oh you've given us plenty to think about, heathen. Like all unsaved scum who wander in here and have the audacity to question God's ways and presume to tell us to "think for ourselves" instead of letting Jesus do our thinking, you have left a deep impression on us all.

We're glad that we are Saved©.

We can't wait to wach you burn in hell.

[Mary O'Bryan Thorne]

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

I'm not here to tell you what to think or do. It's your life, do as you please with it.

Quite a contradiction in those 2 sentences - now go back and read all of the gibberish that you wrote here and make up your mind if you're here to "tell us what to think or do" or not. Why do people come here half cocked and just start rambling like mad-men?

[Bright Eyes]

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...t=16536&page=2

I can't believe my eyes, a thread where people are actually trying to justify rape!
This is the sickest group of people I have ever seen! Rape is a crime, it's probably the most vile crime that can possibly be committed. Anyone who believes in this bullshit is a sick pervert and needs to be admitted to a mental hospital. You are unfit to function in mainstream society, you are a danger to innocent people!
It doesn't matter how someone is dressed, you have complete control over yourself and have no excuse for committing such a perverted and disgusting act! Do you honestly believe "she wasn't wearing a lot of clothes, so I decided to rape her" makes sense? No matter how heartless or mentally disabled you may be, there is no excuse for that way of thinking.
I'm completely and utterly repulsed...

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

It would be perverted to NOT follow Holy Scripture. You need to clarify, purify, and sanctify your thinking about this.

[The Hostile Apostle]

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...t=16536&page=2

I can't believe my eyes, a thread where people are actually trying to justify rape!
This is the sickest group of people I have ever seen! Rape is a crime, it's probably the most vile crime that can possibly be committed. Anyone who believes in this bullshit is a sick pervert and needs to be admitted to a mental hospital. You are unfit to function in mainstream society, you are a danger to innocent people!
It doesn't matter how someone is dressed, you have complete control over yourself and have no excuse for committing such a perverted and disgusting act! Do you honestly believe "she wasn't wearing a lot of clothes, so I decided to rape her" makes sense? No matter how heartless or mentally disabled you may be, there is no excuse for that way of thinking.
I'm completely and utterly repulsed...

You are a liberal aren't you?

I bet you are wearing sandals and have long hair.

[Viva Redemption]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

"Knowing you're a good person" is not how you get Saved, friend.

Read my sermon of the subject HERE, while I Pray for the Holy Spirit to chase the demons from your colon.

You don't "get" saved, you already are! You worship God by believing in him and backing it up with a good life.

Faith through actions, and actions through faith. Can't have one without the other

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Viva Redemption

You don't "get" saved, you already are! You worship God by believing in him and backing it up with a good life.

Faith through actions, and actions through faith. Can't have one without the other

You didn't read my sermon, did you lady.

We are not really interested in your unsaved opinions.

[Rock4MyLord]

Leading a good life is simply not enough. Mahatma Gandhi stood for peace, but is burning in Hell right now because he never accepted Jesus or the Holy Bible.

[Viva Redemption]

Originally Posted by Rock4MyLord

Leading a good life is simply not enough. Mahatma Gandhi stood for peace, but is burning in Hell right now because he never accepted Jesus or the Holy Bible.

Never said it was, faith is the key! But just like faith, simply believing in Jesus and still leading a bad life won't really cut it

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Viva Redemption

Never said it was, faith is the key! But just like faith, simply believing in Jesus and still leading a bad life won't really cut it

Eph:2:8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph:2:9: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph:2:10: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Thus, good works do not result in salvation, but salvation is to result in good works

Joh:3:14: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh:3:15: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh:3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Once Saved, a person is kept by the power of God;

Joh:10:27: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh:10:28: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh:10:29: My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh:10:30: I and my Father are one.

[Viva Redemption]

Agreed, but would you not also agree using that same line of thought, a person could not truly be saved if they do not live a good life, since true faith leads to righteous actions?

I think it's just semantics we're talking about here. What we're both trying to say is that Faith leads to a good life, and true faith is the path to being saved. So, no, a good life is not the requirement to be saved, it's the result!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Viva Redemption

Agreed, but would you not also agree using that same line of thought, a person could not truly be saved if they do not live a good life, since true faith leads to righteous actions?

I think it's just semantics we're talking about here. What we're both trying to say is that Faith leads to a good life, and true faith is the path to being saved. So, no, a good life is not the requirement to be saved, it's the result!

Are you aware that God sees our good works "as filthy rags?"

You really should find an Independant Baptist Church to attend, lady. The one you're going to has filled your head with half-truths and lies.