[Butterfly]

Hi! I have just discovered this website. I do not know if you accept Wiccans to be on said forum or not. I figured I would try so as to get a better understanding of why I am so hated by so many that do not know me. I do not wish to debate or cause too much of a stir. As I have already seen other "Wiccans" on this site seem to seek quiet a bit of attention.

[JennyD]

Merry Meat?!

This is not a homosexual forum.

And here's all you need to know about "Wicca". http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=11423

[Butterfly]

Merry Meet is a way of saying hello in good terms in no way does it have anything to do with homosexuality. Thank you for your opinion!

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

I'm not sure if this was covered in the very lengthy Wiccan discussion, but I would like to point out a very important fact...

Despite its claims that it arose out of a pagan witch cult that has survived in Europe for thousands of years (The Catholic Church and the Protestant Reformation did a mighty good job stamping out any embers of heresy), Wicca as a religion was founded by Gerald Gardner in the early 1950's. Gerald Gardner, of course, was a disciple of well-known Satanist Aleister Crowley. As a matter of fact, even if Wiccan apologists deny it, much of the rites and rituals performed were not written by Gardner himself but by Crowley.

Wicca has its very roots in the thought of Aleister "To Mega Therion 666 (The Great Beast 666)" Crowley.

[Butterfly]

I do not personally follow the Garderian path. There are many paths in the Wiccan religion I am sure you do not care just a fun fact.

I write my own rites and rituals. I do not follow Aliester Crowley's rituals in any way shape or form.

Thank you for your input Rev. It was educational in what people outside of Wicca think and believe.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I do not personally follow the Garderian path. There are many paths in the Wiccan religion I am sure you do not care just a fun fact.

I write my own rites and rituals. I do not follow Aliester Crowley's rituals in any way shape or form.

Thank you for your input Rev. It was educational in what people outside of Wicca think and believe.

Young lady, you seem very polite and a good person deep down. I believe you've just been led astray by Satan using the temptation of witchcraft. Now, it doesn't matter who writes your rites and rituals, be it Crowley or yourself, the Bible makes it clear what happens to those who do so.

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

1st Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Do you realize that as much as you think your witchcraft is "harmless" (I've even met people claim they are "white witches") God does not see it that way? God commands for you to be stoned to death for these horrible acts! And once you are dead you live in eternity in burning Hell.

This is why I am warning you. I would hate to see another soul lost, rather I would prefer you to reject your witchcraft, confess your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior. Jesus Christ died for you so that you may have eternal life.

[Butterfly]

Thank you Rev. it would seem that you are a good person deep down as well!

However I am not tempted by witchcraft. You can practise Wicca without performing any magic at all. I find true peace in my spiritual path not magic.

Good sir I believe in reincarnation. When I die i believe I will go to the Summerland and await my time to be reincarnated back to the Earth to learn more life lessons that are needed in order to stop the continous cycle of reincarnation and sit side by side with my makers.

Do not fear for my eternal soul for I think I am doing okay.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Butterfly, the problem is everything you speak of is in direct contradiction with what the Bible teaches us is necessary for eternal life. I hate to tell you, but you won't be going to Summerland....oh it'll be warm, very warm, that's for sure.

I don't see how you can practice Wicca without doing spells and rituals. Can you explain yourself?

Lastly, it doesn't matter if "you think you are doing okay" because you don't decide the fate of your soul. God does. God will decide if you are doing okay and by staying on this path you are on now, it doesn't look good in your favor. It doesn't matter how "good it feels" or if it feels "spiritually fulfilling"...those are just tricks Satan uses to ensare his victims. If you want to feel something REALLY GOOD, accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior!

[Butterfly]

Practising Wicca without magic.

Just as you pray to your god so do I pray to mine. Without magic.

Just as you celebrate holidays that have significant purpose in your beliefs as do I. Without magic.

Just as you ask for guidance from your god, I do as well. Without magic.

Rev. you do not have to be a witch to be Wiccan or Wiccan to be a witch.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Assuming you are correct in what you say, you are still in violation of God's law. One of the ten commandments clearly states that you should not have any gods before God. Also this verse in Isaiah...

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

As a wiccan, do you pray to the Horned One?

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

Assuming you are correct in what you say, you are still in violation of God's law. One of the ten commandments clearly states that you should not have any gods before God. Also this verse in Isaiah...



As a wiccan, do you pray to the Horned One?

I thought they prayed to the sun and the moon.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

They might pray to those things to, Brother Nobar. I do know that the "Horned One" is in their pantheon which is clearly just another name for Satan. He goes by many names: The Devil, Mephistopheles, Lucifer, King of Darkness, Horned One, etc.

I think they also pray to plants and birds and rocks and things.

[WickedWitch]

Merrily Met, Butterfly, and welcome to the forum.

I would like to thank you for your posts. This may sound strange, but very often n00bs' posts are fraught with grammatical errors, including ridiculous punctuation (or none at all), and atrocious spelling. Yours, on the other hand, are easy to read (and enjoyable) and one can clearly tell that you're a polite, well spoken, intelligent person and that you put thought into your responses before typing them. So, thank you.

I would also like to apologize ahead of time for the Landoverites. I know, they haven't been mean yet, but there will be those who, out of enthusiasm for their religion and concern for you, are slightly less polite. Don't take it personally, they just get swept up in the excitement they have for their beliefs and the eagerness they have for sharing said excitement tends to run away with them.


P.S.
To those Landoverites who have been nice, and who will continue the niceness, I would like to thank you also. It's great to see you share your beliefs in such a civil way, it makes me really happy (and quite proud of you actually), and things are just much smoother and more comfortable when everyone's getting along, even if they're not necessarily agreeing.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

A WITCH!!! A WITCH!!! BURN HER!!!

[Serenity-Millennium]

Very nice to meet you, Butterfly (what a beautiful name! Butterflies are so pretty!)

Personally, I am a Christian though not a member of the Landover Baptist Church, though I am very good friends with them. In my church, we often go on spiritual retreats into the woods and invite people of all religions, including wiccans, to come along. We sit around the campfire and sing kumbya, holding hands and praising whatever deities we may (or not, you know, if praying's not your thing we totally accept that) before we strip naked and express our divine love by having a orgy. It really brings you so close to Christ (or whatever God/whatever you do or do not worship).

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Butterfly, I really hope you know the danger to your immortal soul caused by your false "god", Harry Potter.

[Butterfly]

Rev. I do not personally pray to a "horned one". Although other Wiccans as well as pagans do.

I was not aware that by defining merry meet I was mocking your god I am sorry it was interpreted as such.

I was just trying to explain it was not homosexual in definition.

[Butterfly]

Originally Posted by Sister Mary Maria

Butterfly, I really hope you know the danger to your immortal soul caused by your false "god", Harry Potter.

I do not worship Harry Potter as he is a real character and therefore can not be worshipped.

Originally Posted by WickedWitch

Merrily Met, Butterfly, and welcome to the forum.

I would like to thank you for your posts. This may sound strange, but very often n00bs' posts are fraught with grammatical errors, including ridiculous punctuation (or none at all), and atrocious spelling. Yours, on the other hand, are easy to read (and enjoyable) and one can clearly tell that you're a polite, well spoken, intelligent person and that you put thought into your responses before typing them. So, thank you.

I would also like to apologize ahead of time for the Landoverites. I know, they haven't been mean yet, but there will be those who, out of enthusiasm for their religion and concern for you, are slightly less polite. Don't take it personally, they just get swept up in the excitement they have for their beliefs and the eagerness they have for sharing said excitement tends to run away with them.


P.S.
To those Landoverites who have been nice, and who will continue the niceness, I would like to thank you also. It's great to see you share your beliefs in such a civil way, it makes me really happy (and quite proud of you actually), and things are just much smoother and more comfortable when everyone's getting along, even if they're not necessarily agreeing.

Thank you for such a warm welcome!

Originally Posted by Nobar King

I thought they prayed to the sun and the moon.

Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne

They might pray to those things to, Brother Nobar. I do know that the "Horned One" is in their pantheon which is clearly just another name for Satan. He goes by many names: The Devil, Mephistopheles, Lucifer, King of Darkness, Horned One, etc.

I think they also pray to plants and birds and rocks and things.

Wiccans practise many forms of Wicca. We celebrate nature and life. Many Wiccans worship different gods and goddess.

[Butterfly]

I do not know why real turned into real....

However I meant Harry Potter is a real character and can not be worshipped.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I do not know why real turned into real....

However I meant Harry Potter is a real character and can not be worshipped.

I don't know what kind of hippy drugs you're ingesting, but none of that explains why you put it in the quote to make it look like I said it.