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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 02:01 AM

Here's a dog eating a brick, is that a "lithotroph"
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 06:18 AM

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But, it still doesn't address Brother Barnabus's main point, regardless. Say the first life forms were these rock-eaters or whatever. Why would there be a change in evolution? It's not like rocks were going away as a food source. Look around you. All you SEE is rocks! So if anything, it makes more sense for organisms to stay rock-eating organisms....why would they change to eat biological matter?
If there is an alternative energy source then any organism that can adapt to feed on that will have an advantage. Evolution of the Thiobaccilus A2 bacterium from Lithotrophy to Organotrophy conversion has been observed in the laboratory.

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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 06:40 AM

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If there is an alternative energy source then any organism that can adapt to feed on that will have an advantage. Evolution of the Thiobaccilus A2 bacterium from Lithotrophy to Organotrophy conversion has been observed in the laboratory.

http://mic.sgmjournals.org/cgi/reprint/128/4/865.pdf

That was clearly written by a godless evolutionist, perhaps he lied and fudged his findings. Perhaps all the scientists there are liars. It would be plausible, I saw how that conspiracy works in the movie, 'Expelled'
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 08:19 AM

There are bacteria that eat metals - they're called geobacters. But I don't see why you can't believe in God and evolution - God could do things any way He liked, couldn't he?
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 08:27 AM

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There are bacteria that eat metals - they're called geobacters. But I don't see why you can't believe in God and evolution - God could do things any way He liked, couldn't he?
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 08:28 AM

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There are bacteria that eat metals - they're called geobacters. But I don't see why you can't believe in God and evolution - God could do things any way He liked, couldn't he?
Of course He could, and you bet if the Bible said God created the animals and then waited millions of years for a series of random mutations to turn them into people we'd be the first to believe it. The problem is the Bible simply DOESN'T say that.

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."
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"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Genesis 1:24-31

You see that? It took twodays for God to create every single different animal there is, which simply doesn't leave enough for evilution. Therefore, evilution must be a lie told by Godhating scientists in an attempt to seduce people into joining them in the fires of Hell.


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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 08:37 AM

I do know what Genesis says, but is it literally true? I mean, it was written a long time ago and people then didn't know anything much about science. So maybe it was written in like a simple way. God would know that when we learned more we'd fill the details in. The Bible talks as if the earth is flat, too, and we know that's not true.
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 08:42 AM

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I do know what Genesis says, but is it literally true? I mean, it was written a long time ago and people then didn't know anything much about science. So maybe it was written in like a simple way. God would know that when we learned more we'd fill the details in. The Bible talks as if the earth is flat, too, and we know that's not true.
I can't believe how dumb you are friend.

The Bible wasn't written by PEOPLE it was written by GOD.

It is completely irrelevant how much or how little people back then knew.

Besides, modern science has proven that God exists. Here, I'll edify you with a Holy Link on the internet to one of the most Holiest and Blessed Scientists of our times, Dr Ken Ham, read what he has to say:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...creation-proof


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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 08:57 AM

I know I'm dumb - that's why I ask lots of questions to try to find stuff out. You probly didn't see my intro post, but I was raised mainly by my gran and she was an atheist. So I've only recently started reading the Bible and I hope you'll forgive me for not knowing a lot of things.

Anway, now you've got me really confused. You said that God wrote the Bible, but on another forum a Reverand was telling someone that you could tell the Bible is true because it is 66 books written by a lot of different people and all of them agree with each other. He seems a Godly man - he always quotes the KJV not any false Bible. Is he wrong?
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 09:06 AM

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Anway, now you've got me really confused. You said that God wrote the Bible, but on another forum a Reverand was telling someone that you could tell the Bible is true because it is 66 books written by a lot of different people and all of them agree with each other. He seems a Godly man - he always quotes the KJV not any false Bible. Is he wrong?
We are both right.

God INSPIRED the Bible (as in when someone TELLS you what to write and you write it) but it was human hands that penned it.

2 Timothy 3:16 says that "All scripture is inspired by God...". It isn't like the inspiration musician faggots get, it is different. Like I said, if I told you to write down something on paper and you did technically you could say you wrote it or I could say I wrote it, they would both be accurate statements. But it came from me, you were just the tool I used to write it down. Get it?


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If there is an alternative energy source then any organism that can adapt to feed on that will have an advantage. Evolution of the Thiobaccilus A2 bacterium from Lithotrophy to Organotrophy conversion has been observed in the laboratory.

http://mic.sgmjournals.org/cgi/reprint/128/4/865.pdf
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 09:15 AM

Thanks a lot for answering me so quickly Hank. And thanks for the link to answersingenesis too - it looks like a site I can learn a lot from.
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-17-2011, 02:47 PM

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This is a strawman. Even today we have prokaryotes that feed on inorganic compounds.

There are bacteria that feed on nitrogen, there are even bacteria that thrive on amonia.

Look up lithotroph, which literally means "eaters of rock"
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-23-2011, 07:25 PM

Living creatures living off of minerals and rocks hardly seems that far-fetched. Most plants live off of water, carbon dioxide, various minerals and such from the soil, but they haven't managed to turn the entire planet into a tree.
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-23-2011, 09:24 PM

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Living creatures living off of minerals and rocks hardly seems that far-fetched. Most plants live off of water, carbon dioxide, various minerals and such from the soil, but they haven't managed to turn the entire planet into a tree.
Which just proves you wrong. Are you always in the habit of using your own material to contradict yourself?

Why are you using the Quote button found at the bottom of every post? And even more importantly why are you butting into the middle of an intellectual conversation without introducing yourself. Do you just barge into anyone's house without knowing them or without knocking? Try following the house rules and go here first -- The introduction forum Attention Unsaved Trash: This the ONLY subforum you can start threads in. Here is where you introduce yourself. Tell us what church you go to and what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus.


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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-23-2011, 10:30 PM

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Which just proves you wrong. Are you always in the habit of using your own material to contradict yourself?
I'm not sure I follow. Are you suggesting that plants must consume organic molecules so they can't eat the entire planet?


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Why are you using the Quote button found at the bottom of every post?
It provides me with a reply to thread form with a post I wish to quote in it with a single button press. It's the most effective way to prepare such a post that I'm aware of.


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And even more importantly why are you butting into the middle of an intellectual conversation without introducing yourself. Do you just barge into anyone's house without knowing them or without knocking?
I wished to add my input to the thread. I wouldn't just barge into someone's house without knocking, but thankfully enough this is an internet forum, not a residence.

I did have a flick through the introductions forum. I didn't see anything suggesting that I had to make a post there, but I'll have another look through it.
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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-24-2011, 02:05 AM

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I'm not sure I follow. Are you suggesting that plants must consume organic molecules so they can't eat the entire planet?
I am suggesting since the entire earth is not one big tree, your hypothesis is wrong.
[QUOTEIt provides me with a reply to thread form with a post I wish to quote in it with a single button press. It's the most effective way to prepare such a post that I'm aware of.[/QUOTE] Satan deleted the word not as in why are you not using the Quote button. I see you have now started.

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I did have a flick through the introductions forum. I didn't see anything suggesting that I had to make a post there, but I'll have another look through it.
Well here let me help you. When a True Christian™ on this board says you are to do something, you are to do something. Let this be your last warning. Now go back and comply with the Introduction Forum requirements.


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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-24-2011, 05:19 PM

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I do know what Genesis says, but is it literally true? I mean, it was written a long time ago and people then didn't know anything much about science. So maybe it was written in like a simple way. God would know that when we learned more we'd fill the details in. The Bible talks as if the earth is flat, too, and we know that's not true.
That's what I hate about you atheist nerdhead numbers and empirical method mama's boy dorks.

Your chauvinistic attitude to others.

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Default Re: Life from Nothing? Please Explain! - 01-25-2011, 02:57 AM

It's perposterous to think that life evolved out of nothing. I mean how many mental gymnasticks do you have to preform in your mind to except that? Do these crazy loonies also think that 1+1=5? LOL

Can't people just accept the fact that we were created when God took some dust and breathed into it? So much more simple and logical.




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