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Default Open Letter to the Martin Brothers and All Catholics - 04-02-2008, 01:33 PM

From Landover to The Martin brothers and any whom they have deceived:


I take as my text Matthew Chapter 23. At the time Christ spoke, it was a joyous time, the apostate church of Rome did not exist. To this extent, Christ chose the scribes and Pharisees as the example of a false, apostate and hypocritical movement. Nevertheless, ignoring the words of Christ addressing the multitude, the Mother of Whoredoms took the exactly opposite road to His teachings - they simply ignored this chapter of Matthew.


The anti-Christ and his minions saw how the joos had made money and gained power over the poor, needy and ignorant and so they ignored their own teachings and those of God. Instead of bringing light love and Salvation, they brought pain, suffering, greed and unholy power to their followers – the church of Rome is their heirs and successors.

I mark here in red, the references to the parallels within the catlick church.

M't:23:1: Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
M't:23:2: Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: [Change Moses’ for Christ’s]
M't:23:3: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do [because God made the law, and this must be obeyed even if it comes from hypocrites.]
]; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. [Pick more or less anything from the evil history of the papists. I know they often try, but how many priests go around being fruitful and multiplying?]
M't:23:4: For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; [Catlick guilt]but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. [The Jesuits always provide an excuse for excess and sin as far as the papists are concerned.]
M't:23:5: But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries [substitute any ritual jewelry worn by priests], and enlarge the borders of their garments, [look at their robes – you don’t get those cheap at Wal-Mart]
M't:23:6: And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,[where would you expect to see the pope and his servants?]
M't:23:7: And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.[Father, Father see verse 9]]
M't:23:8: But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. [as above. It’s all to do with the sin of pride – putting yourself above others.]
M't:23:9: And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. [as above]
M't:23:10: Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. [“Monsignor” for the higher orders otherwise as above]
M't:23:11: But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. [priests think that they are the servants of the pope and may not disobey]
M't:23:12: And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. [A humble yet infallible pope? That’ll be a first.]
M't:23:13: But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. [a perfect description of the apostate church of Rome and its minions deceiving the world into denying Christ and His teaching.]
M't:23:14: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. [How many of the poor, lonely and elderly leave fortunes in their wills to the con-men of the anti-Christ? And all under the cover of “Godliness”]
M't:23:15: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. [Look at the global reach of satan’s powers through the Mother of Whoredoms – converting the heathen to idolatry and the worship of the anti-christ, thus condemning the soul.]
M't:23:16: Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! [Pass the collection plate or don’t receive the death cookie and blood – and if you don’t receive that – according to Ratslinger – you’re done for.]
M’t:23:17: Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
M’t:23:18: And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
M’t:23:19: Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
M’t:23:20: Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
M’t:23:21: And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. [1 Kings 8:13; 2 Chronicles 6:1 ]
M’t:23:22: And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
M’t:23:23: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.[see 16 above, Luke 11:42, and consider those dieing of AIDS and what you could have done to prevent it.]
M’t:23:24: Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. [yet insist in believing that we can only speak with The Lord through the church of Rome or that transubstantiation is real.]
M’t:23:25: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. [How prefect a description is this? A corrupt church filled with lust, greed, anger, etc. preaching to the poor and ignorant. Think how the gold of South America was stolen by slaughter.]
M’t:23:26: Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. [no comment necessary.]
M't:23:27: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones [I know, let’s sell some relics!], and of all uncleanness. [no comment necessary.]
M't:23:28: Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. [see more or less any point above.]
M't:23:29: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, [Have you ever seen catlick churches with their gold and ornaments?]
M't:23:30: And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. [Millions of Christians tortured and killed for their beliefs by the catlicks for not agreeing with them in their apostacy.]
M't:23:31: Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. [See above.]
M't:23:32: Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [This is said ironically, Christ is say, “Go ahead, behave like you did in the past – let’s see how bad you really are.”]
M't:23:33: Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? [As always, Christ has the best questions!]
M't:23:34: Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: [Did I mention those who died because they had a True Belief in Christ? Oh, yes, I did…]
M't:23:35: That upon you [Christ says that all catlicks shall be punished, so that the sins of the false church shall be inflicted upon all those who now follow behind the coat-tails of priests]may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. [For the names of the prophets look to the list of some of the Protestant martyrs, which is too long – look here]
M't:23:36: Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
M't:23:37: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! [Where the True Gospel was preached, there was greatest resistance by the catlick church, but eventually, in the same places the judgments of God will be heard the loudest and longest. ]
M't:23:38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. [Praise!]
M't:23:39: For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.[Christ will return as a judge, and it is then that the papists shall be compelled to confess (although to late) that he is the very Son of God and that they have traduced His Word… and not just say it, but believe it and act upon it. (Just in case you thought empty promises counted.)]

Yours in God,


Bathfire E.


Here ends the letter

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Default Re: Open Letter to the Martin Brothers and All Catholics - 04-02-2008, 07:17 PM

Funny, I always thought it to be about you racist, hateful LBC leaders...


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Default Re: Open Letter to the Martin Brothers and All Catholics - 04-02-2008, 08:08 PM

Aw, you're not even that funny Officer Martin. He used to make me laugh just by looking at him
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Funny, I always thought it to be about you racist, hateful LBC leaders...
Racist? We do not tolerate racism here Ofc Martin; we have an effective code by which we abide and Unsaved posters must too.

Hateful? Denying God's Word Ofc Martin?... I was going to ask what sort of a Christian you were, but I think you've answered that - no kind at all.

Come over to Landover Ofc Martin. We will fend off your brother until he sees the light.





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Default Re: Open Letter to the Martin Brothers and All Catholics - 04-02-2008, 11:09 PM

OK, this is a very long, rather hateful message, don't you think........
I think the words Katlicks, Death Cookie, Spawn of Satan, and Rat-slinger were a little over the top, don't you?

As for your theology points.........
You seem to be giving me a collection of bible quotes about "hyperlegalism". Which assumes that too many rules equals, pure evil.

The concept in and of itself makes very little sense to Catholics like me, but for hypothetical interest I will at least entertain the idea that burdensome rules are evil. But I would like you to entertain the thought that too few laws might lead to a sense of a carefree, whimsical definition of God that lets everyone go to heaven, just cause he/she is nice or something. I believe that carefree is a flaw that we could all agree is dangerous as well.

The problem with most of your bible quotes are that the point to people who are burdening others while not expecting anything of themselves, and acting like they are holier than everyone else.

When you judge Pope Benedict XVI of such things aren't you the one who is arrogant and putting others down. There are many older and more pompous traditions than the ones of today which were tossed out by Pope John Paul II and continue to be tossed out by Pope Benedict XVI. I find that to be judgmental and foolish of you to say. Pope John Paul II is the perfect example of a humble yet infallible pope. So humble in fact that he NEVER used his INFALLIBLE powers at any time during his ~26 year reign. He was a great, intelligent writer who lead his people quietly and wisely, and is highly regarded by Catholics and non-Catholics alike. But the real point is that these two popes, the only two I have ever known, are not making themselves out to be better than me. They inspire me to be better, not order me to be better. Benedict may have said that all Catholics must partake of the Eucharist, but that was already on the books. (The Catechism....)

Still there IS the pride and arrogance of past Popes. This concerns me greatly! I struggle with the fear that my church could have been lead astray by such evil men. Yet, the church tries to reassure me with the statement: "None of these corrupted Popes made any infallible statements." This is only slightly reassuring to me. I will not make excuses for their behavior.

Who else should I trust though? I cannot think of one person who I could trust my faith with. Not James Dobson, not those Mega Church people, not Norman Geisler, not even Rick Warren or Billy Graham. And all of them I trust MUCH more than myself, for I don't interpret the Bible very accurately at all! Who do you trust to help you understand God's word? All I see are millions of churches with a million different answers to what the Bible says. We are all being lead astray. We are like sheep without a shepherd. I NEED a shepherd, someone who is lead by the Holy Spirit. Are you going to take the job????




Let's see what else needs to be addressed.

Constant insults to Transubstantiation: I am sorry that you are not blessed with faith in things that cannot be seen.......

Gold and "unnecessary" ornamentation: A: We are remembering Christ's sacrifice, we are just trying to be respectful. Respectful is good, right? B: Have you seen how much some churches spend on audio visual equipment.... I don't see that at Wal-Mart either...

Murder of Protestants: Did you not know that Protestant believers did the same thing to people who baptized their children against the Protestant laws. (In Switzerland, etc.....) Better take the plank out of your own eye before you pull splinters out of mine............

Calling Priest etc. "Father": Personally, I call MY Father "Father", what's your point????

"Papists shall be compelled to confess" Funny, I know Pope John Paul II confessed his sins every day, do you?

Swear: ummmm I have NO idea what you are talking about......

"A corrupt church filled with lust, greed, anger etc.." funny those are not sins from the Ten Commandments but three of the Seven Deadly sins as defined by the Catholic Church...... (thought you might want to know that.....)


Now, I have spoke my peace, and I want to tell you that my Protestant friends believe that I believe in the same God that you do. I am not here to subjugate you. I am not here to make you follow the letter of the law as defined by my church, but to offer you a peace that your "supposedly righteous" anger cannot give you.

Peace be with you fellow Christian.
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Default Re: Open Letter to the Martin Brothers and All Catholics - 04-03-2008, 12:31 AM

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Long?
It is perhaps the Bible that is long. The Word of God cannot be shortened.

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Hateful?
God says that we should follow His Word but the catlick church traduces this Truth with false Bibles created to enforce their own power and dogma. Your argument is with the Author of the Bible – God.

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You seem to be giving me a collection of bible quotes about "hyperlegalism".
I am giving you the words of Christ. Why do you hate Him so?

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I will at least entertain the idea that burdensome rules are evil.
The church of Rome has many rules not supported by the Word of The Lord. Theses they inflict on those deceived into following them.

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The problem with most of your bible quotes are that they point to people who are burdening others while not expecting anything of themselves, and acting like they are holier than everyone else.
This is what Christ says too. Look upon the catlick faith and dogma.

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When you judge Pope Benedict XVI…
Simply put – all popes are embodiments of the anti-Christ, all popes will be judged and be found wanting.

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I struggle with the fear that my church could have been lead astray by such evil men.
Struggle no longer – it has been lead astray and will continue to be.

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And all of them I trust MUCH more than myself, for I don't interpret the Bible very accurately at all!
You are of the church of Rome, you are unlikely to have been taught the True Word of God.

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Who do you trust to help you understand God's word? All I see are millions of churches with a million different answers to what the Bible says.
I hear you. Landover Baptist Church accepts every word of the KJV1611 Bible as the accurate, unchanging and unerring Word of God – What could be simpler? No human intervention between Man and God. A direct line to The Almighty and toll-free.

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We are like sheep without a shepherd. I NEED a shepherd, someone who is lead by the Holy Spirit. Are you going to take the job????
I am but a humble True Christian of Landover – there are Pastors here aplenty – each one more wise and compassionate that the next.

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Constant insults to Transubstantiation: I am sorry that you are not blessed with faith in things that cannot be seen.......
Transubstantiation is against the teaching of Christ. When He said,
1Co:11:23: For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co:11:24: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Here Christ is being symbolic – he knows His human body will be broken – the bread symbolizes (it does not become) His body. Eating bread was as common in Christ’s time as it is today. Jesus is asking that each time you eat bread, think of Him.

1Co:11:25: After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
Again, Christ asks that, when drinking wine, we and His disciples should think of Him. Obviously He does not mean “the cup is the new testament in Me” He means that the wine within the cup symbolizes His Works on earth.

1Co:11:26: For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Here He is quite clear what is being consumed.

1Co:11:27: Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co:11:28: But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co:11:29: For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
A call to take remembering Him seriously – no jokes!

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Gold and "unnecessary" ornamentation: A: We are remembering Christ's sacrifice, we are just trying to be respectful. Respectful is good, right? B: Have you seen how much some churches spend on audio visual equipment.... I don't see that at Wal-Mart either...
As God created the Heavens and the Earth and all that is in them, why choose gold? Why not iron, copper, or any other metal? And why so much of it in papist churches? The catlick church chooses it not because it signifies honor, but power and wealth. Who paid for the gold? The poor, the hungry, the oppressed – who oppressed them? The church of Rome.

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Murder of Protestants: Did you not know that Protestant believers did the same thing to people who baptized their children against the Protestant laws. (In Switzerland, etc.....) Better take the plank out of your own eye before you pull splinters out of mine............
The plank and the mote are the wrong way round – As one small example, Cortez was ordered to conquer South America with the fire and the sword by the power of a pope who divided the world up between Spain and Portugal. And let’s not mention the inquisition…

Protestants were defending themselves against the machinations of the anti-Christ in Rome – there were some unfortunate deaths in the heat of the moment.

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Calling Priest etc. "Father": Personally, I call MY Father "Father", what's your point????
Can you not see the verse! What does Christ say? Why do you rail against God? I suggest it is because your church has kept you in ignorance and darkness.

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"Papists shall be compelled to confess" Funny, I know Pope John Paul II confessed his sins every day, do you?
I am not surprised that any pope should have a myriad of sins to confess. The True Christians™ here at Landover do not sin. I have said above, we follow the Word of The Lord.

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"A corrupt church filled with lust, greed, anger etc.." funny those are not sins from the Ten Commandments but three of the Seven Deadly sins as defined by the Catholic Church...... (thought you might want to know that.....)
I would have thought that you would have seen that, in irony, I was using your own weapons against the anti-Christ.

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Now, I have spoke my peace, and I want to tell you that my Protestant friends believe that I believe in the same God that you do.
You are wrong and they are wrong; no one who has read the Bible (KJV1611) could say that the papists believe in God.

If you wish to know the truth about if papists are Christians, read this.

If you want to know your church and its history, look at this thread.

Ask you priest if they are true – if he has any honor at all (which I doubt) he will tell you that it all is true.



Finally, note my signature, the Word of The Lord is not always pleasant upon the ears, but it is always The Word of The Lord.





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Default Re: Open Letter to the Martin Brothers and All Catholics - 04-03-2008, 04:05 PM

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It is perhaps the Bible that is long. The Word of God cannot be shortened.
But you did shorten it...You just believe Jack Chick's LIES, which he quotes with no reliable sources!

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Simply put – all popes are embodiments of the anti-Christ, all popes will be judged and be found wanting.
So in your mind, Peter is damned?

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I hear you. Landover Baptist Church accepts every word of the KJV1611 Bible as the accurate, unchanging and unerring Word of God – What could be simpler? No human intervention between Man and God. A direct line to The Almighty and toll-free.
OK then, what was the accurate, unchanging, and unerring Word of God BEFORE the KJV1611?

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Transubstantiation is against the teaching of Christ. When He said,
1Co:11:23: For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co:11:24: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Here Christ is being symbolic – he knows His human body will be broken – the bread symbolizes (it does not become) His body. Eating bread was as common in Christ’s time as it is today. Jesus is asking that each time you eat bread, think of Him.

1Co:11:25: After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
Again, Christ asks that, when drinking wine, we and His disciples should think of Him. Obviously He does not mean “the cup is the new testament in Me” He means that the wine within the cup symbolizes His Works on earth.

1Co:11:26: For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Here He is quite clear what is being consumed.

1Co:11:27: Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co:11:28: But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co:11:29: For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
A call to take remembering Him seriously – no jokes!
You're sounding like Bill Clinton here..."It depends on what your definition of 'is' is"...

Let's see you try dissecting John 6!

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You are wrong and they are wrong; no one who has read the Bible (KJV1611) could say that the papists believe in God.
Not unless they read a more accurate translation, like the NRSV, NAB, or NJB!

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Also read my brother's rebuttals!

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So in your mind, Peter is damned?
No: Peter just wasn't the first of the fish-hat-wearing boy-touchers. If Jesus chose Peter to be the first pope, then why did both Jesus and Paul have to rebuke him:

Mark 8:33: But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Gal 2:11. But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.


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Ah Ofc Martin – "The catlick doth protest too much, methinks."
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shorten the Bible
?? God forefend! I merely quoted a Chapter revealing the deceptions and corruption of the catlick church.

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So in your mind, Peter is damned?
You will be able to point me to the verse in which the words, “Peter” and “pope” both appear? And don’t give me the famously quoted Rock statement, which is so clearly a parable/analogy.
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OK then, what was the accurate, unchanging, and unerring Word of God BEFORE the KJV1611?
A mishmash of inaccuracies by the catlick church. God, via King James V of Scotland straighten out the mess you lot created.
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You're sounding like Bill Clinton here..."It depends on what your definition of 'is' is"... Let's see you try dissecting John 6!
Firstly you and I know that by reading one part of the Scriptures against another light will be shed on God’s word – Corinthians sheds such light on John 6. Nevertheless:
Joh:6:32: Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh:6:33: For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Only an idiot here would think that Christ is saying that He is made of bread – it’s an analogy – Christ is nourishment for the soul; that which saves it from dieing of hunger for want of sustenance.
Joh:6:35: And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Here Christ is preparing the Disciples for the analogy he is about to give them (hunger/thirst = food/drink = bread/wine)
Joh:6:48: I am that bread of life. (remember, He is not made of bread)
Joh:6:49: Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh:6:50: This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Christ presses on with His analogy, just in case the Jews are as obtuse as catlicks
Joh:6:54: Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh:6:55: For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh:6:56: He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Now clearly Christ continues with the analogy but changes bread to meat. Now did he do that because he had forgotten what he said a little earlier? I think not – we are talking food and drink here and we are still in the analogy but we are linking it to Christ's early body - which later we see will avail Him nought. Let’s not forget either that Christ was much given to parables and analogy – something we all love in Him.
Joh:6:57: As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh:6:58: This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Now this is the bit that is important in dismissing transubstantiation as a purposeful deception by the Mother of Whoredoms. Christ is asking those listening to follow His Works and Teachings and they will have eternal life in Heaven with the Trinity. He is not actually asking those listening to eat Him - He is asking that they take up His Works and Teachings
“This is the bread that came down from Heaven” refers back to His statement in v48 where we have already agreed that Christ is not made of bread.
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Not unless they read a more accurate translation, like the NRSV, NAB, or NJB!
Please Ofc Martin, give it a rest – the truth is The Truth – if it works, why fix it? I know the answer to that and so do you - jesuits at work justifying dogma...

As far as Jack Chick is concerned, I see him operating on the same level as servants of the anti-Christ, he catches the weak of mind, the poor and ignorant – you know, those who keep your church's finances up - but as a Jesuit might say, “It’s all in God’s cause.”

OK, have I cleared up your spiritual doubts?

I think I will concentrate on converting you to Anglicanism and from there through various minor false religions to Baptist and then to the Glory which is a True Christian™ of Landover. Something that you very much need to be. A man of your talent for producing arguments, could, after some instruction, be really useful in saving souls. As it is, everyone of your flock is, or will be, having the flesh peeled from them in a Pit of Eternal Fire. I bet they feel a bit aggrieved that they ante-d up for the collection plate.

Anyhoo, where’s your brother, he made a guest appearance and disappeared again – is his parole officer after him?





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Ah Ofc Martin – "The catlick doth protest too much, methinks." ?? God forefend! I merely quoted a Chapter revealing the deceptions and corruption of the catlick church.
I was talking about you taking out several books from the Bible such as Tobit, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom, Greek additions to Esther, Baruch, and 1&2 Maccabees!

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You will be able to point me to the verse in which the words, “Peter” and “pope” both appear? And don’t give me the famously quoted Rock statement, which is so clearly a parable/analogy.
It doesn't say "pope" anywhere, but the Rock statement is not where Peter was made the first pope. The following is.

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15 8 9 10 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." 16 He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep. 18 11 Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go." 19 He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me."
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A mishmash of inaccuracies by the catlick church. God, via King James V of Scotland straighten out the mess you lot created.
If the Bible was a "mishmash" then, it could not have been the "accurate, unchanging, and unerring" Word of God. One of my favorite saints is Jerome-he had a GREAT love for the Bible, and translated it into the people's language of the time-you know what that was, right?

Here's a quote of his I bet you'd appreciate:

"Love sacred Scripture and wisdom shall love you; love it tenderly, and it will protect you; honor it and you shall receive its caresses. Let it mean to you as much as your necklaces and your earrings mean to you"

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Firstly you and I know that by reading one part of the Scriptures against another light will be shed on God’s word – Corinthians sheds such light on John 6. Nevertheless:
Joh:6:32: Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh:6:33: For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Only an idiot here would think that Christ is saying that He is made of bread – it’s an analogy – Christ is nourishment for the soul; that which saves it from dieing of hunger for want of sustenance.
Joh:6:35: And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Here Christ is preparing the Disciples for the analogy he is about to give them (hunger/thirst = food/drink = bread/wine)
Joh:6:48: I am that bread of life. (remember, He is not made of bread)
Joh:6:49: Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh:6:50: This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Christ presses on with His analogy, just in case the Jews are as obtuse as catlicks
Joh:6:54: Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh:6:55: For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh:6:56: He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Now clearly Christ continues with the analogy but changes bread to meat. Now did he do that because he had forgotten what he said a little earlier? I think not – we are talking food and drink here and we are still in the analogy but we are linking it to Christ's early body - which later we see will avail Him nought. Let’s not forget either that Christ was much given to parables and analogy – something we all love in Him.
Joh:6:57: As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh:6:58: This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Now this is the bit that is important in dismissing transubstantiation as a purposeful deception by the Mother of Whoredoms. Christ is asking those listening to follow His Works and Teachings and they will have eternal life in Heaven with the Trinity. He is not actually asking those listening to eat Him - He is asking that they take up His Works and Teachings
“This is the bread that came down from Heaven” refers back to His statement in v48 where we have already agreed that Christ is not made of bread.
Funny, I always learned it as "I am THE bread of life."

Anyway, I notice you omitted verses 51-53:

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51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." 52 The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?" 53 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
This proves our point!

Anyway, let me continue:

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60 20 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, "This saying is hard; who can accept it?" 61 Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, "Does this shock you? 62 What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 21 63 It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh 22 is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe." Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him. 65 And he said, "For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father." 66 As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. 67 Jesus then said to the Twelve, "Do you also want to leave?" 68 Simon Peter answered him, "Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
I always saw the disciples that left as a forerunner for those denominations (Baptist included) who left the Catholic Church, because they said "This saying is hard, who can accept it?" and then left...In this case, Peter is the spokesman for the loyal Catholics, saying: "To whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."

Anyway, if Jesus was being metaphorical, when many disciples left, He would have said something like "Come back here-I was only speaking metaphorically!" But He let them go...because they correctly determined that he was quite literal.

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Please Ofc Martin, give it a rest – the truth is The Truth – if it works, why fix it? I know the answer to that and so do you - jesuits at work justifying dogma...
Have you no respect for the Society of Jesus-To disrespect an order is to disrespect the namesake, and you DON'T want to disrespect this Namesake!

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Tell ya what-Why don't we meet up sometime, I'll give you several saints' names, and you tell me where you believe that saint is (WARNING: If you say all of them are in hell, you are condemning the apostles, disciples, and early Christians as well as the more recent Caholics!)

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Anyhoo, where’s your brother, he made a guest appearance and disappeared again – is his parole officer after him?
He just figured this was an important point for him to make...He'll be back when you least expect it!

Oh, by the way, one of our more popular saints, Therese of Lisieux (aka the Little Flower), also had the last name Martin! How cool is that-we might have a relative (the question is whether she's a relative, we know she's in Heaven) in Heaven praying for us really close to God!


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I was talking about you taking out several books from the Bible such as Tobit, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom, Greek additions to Esther, Baruch, and 1&2 Maccabees!
The Council of Trent put them in a papist plot against the Protestants – see this. Talk about power corrupting!

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Nope Ofc Martin, take Christ at His Word, “He said to him, “Follow Me” i.e. follow in His footsteps and beliefs (see the John and Corinthians I quoted.) Nowhere does he say, “Set yourself up as the catlick church and be the head subjugate millions and only allow people to speak through you to God and then charge them for it. Oh and by the way, all those things I said about the Jews and their corruption – forget them – this is a business.”

He’s asking Simon and John to make sure the followers were OK and keep the spiritual side up. I think even you must see the difference between the beautiful simplicity of The Lord’s Words and Work and the evil and corrupt behemoth that is the catlick church wallowing in politics and pits of lucre. I like that hymn with the line “O still small voice of calm.”

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Look at my avatar… do you think I wear necklaces and earrings..? What you do in your own time will not surprise me.
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Funny, I always learned it as "I am THE bread of life."
I bet some catlick priest tricked you with that one out of a Bible written by a committee in Rome.
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51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; This proves our point!
Who is this “our” papist? I wish you’d listen, it causes me to have to go over old ground. Jesus speaks in parables and analogies. The Jews are mystified because they aren’t used to this, they are used to Yes/No orders. Jesus, seeing He has them on the wrong foot, pushes home His advantage – confounding them even further by changing from bread to meat. Just compare the sections I am the living bread that came down from heaven; with, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man.
Even you with a credibility wider than the Atlantic are surely not going to say that He changes from one to the other in an instant – it is a parable, an analogy! What else could any reasonable person say?
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I always saw the disciples that left as a forerunner for those denominations (Baptist included) who left the Catholic Church, because they said "This saying is hard, who can accept it?" and then left...In this case, Peter is the spokesman for the loyal Catholics, saying: "To whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."
Well, that’s your view. History disagrees but doubtless there are those in Rome who are altering it even as we speak.
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Anyway, if Jesus was being metaphorical, when many disciples left, He would have said something like "Come back here-I was only speaking metaphorically!" But He let them go...because they correctly determined that he was quite literal.
Ofc Martin – you are a Jesuit aren’t you? I can tell by this tortuous line of rhetoric. I can feel the smugness of the devil’s advocate. The Disciples had been with Him all that time. They didn’t question when He made the statements because, unlike the Jews, they understood His style. You can obviously talk in demonic catlick code if you wish with words that to the sane mean nothing but your followers would all nod sagely. It is the same thing.
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Have you no respect for the Society of Jesus-To disrespect an order is to disrespect the namesake, and you DON'T want to disrespect this Namesake!
As a matter of fact you have little idea how little respect I possess for Jesuits – even their intellect is so tainted by their works that I can summon up no enthusiasm. (Does the verb “prestolen” mean anything to you?) This rubbish about disrespecting a name sake is one of their ideas too – They invent a name and then sanctify it and command that all respect it otherwise God will be wrath and nod as the poor soul is dragged off to be tortured to death. I possess no catlick guilt at all and never will. Jesuits are all down at Dante’s 7th level.
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I'll give you several saints' names, and you tell me where you believe that saint is (WARNING: If you say all of them are in hell, you are condemning the apostles, disciples, and early Christians as well as the more recent Caholics!)
What are Caholics? Those drunk with power? The way I see it is Baptists do not believe that true believers will fall away and, thereby, lose their salvation. This is sometimes called, "Once saved, always saved." The proper term, however, is the final perseverance of the saints. It means that real Christians stick with it. It doesn't mean the believer won't stumble, but refers to an inward pull that will not allow him to quit the faith. Whosoever qualifies, sees Heaven.
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Tell ya what-Why don't we meet up sometime.
Nice offer, and don’t think I don’t appreciate it but I haven’t got a spoon that long.
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in Heaven praying for us really close to God.
Why does she need to pray for you – can’t you speak with God yourself?
Therese of Lisieux? What a waste – a good woman who should have been out there having babies, cooking and cleaning.
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But you did shorten it...You just believe Jack Chick's LIES, which he quotes with no reliable sources!
What, you think we don't have Landover undercover operatives in the Catholic "church?" Our tendrils reach far beyond what you can imagine. There are plenty of "Catholics" who are really Bible-believing Landover Baptists, collecting the evidence that we will present against you when you face the Throne of God at the Final Judgement.

I, myself, have been thinking of "converting" for the cause (though, given my family's shameful history, I'll probably be investigating the Mormons, instead). I bet I could spice up the catechism classes with a little Bible truth. It is, after all, the Christian thing to do.



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Default Re: Open Letter to the Martin Brothers and All Catholics - 04-07-2008, 03:39 AM

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No: Peter just wasn't the first of the fish-hat-wearing boy-touchers. If Jesus chose Peter to be the first pope, then why did both Jesus and Paul have to rebuke him:

Mark 8:33: But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Gal 2:11. But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Did you just call an Apostle a Boy-Toucher?????

What you don't seem to understand is that Popes ARE NOT infallible 24/7. They can be corrected and rebuked without destroying their ability to lead the church.

This group portrays themselves as prejudiced, because you insist that all Popes are "Boy Touchers" and "the Anti-Christ" not ALL popes are working for Satan.
I am not working for Satan just because I have read Deutro-Canonical texts. The Apocrypha is only used to argue belief in Purgatory (and a little on the existence of heaven). It does not have a huge effect on the whole belief system of the Church or Jesus' message.

I need you to explain to me how you know that all Popes are the Anti-Christ. The word Anti-Christ isn't even in the bible. That is just ignorant.
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The word Anti-Christ isn't even in the bible. That is just ignorant.

Yes, it is extremely ignorant, and it exposes you for the fool and liar that you are.

Are you even remotely familiar with the Holy Bible?

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Did you just call an Apostle a Boy-Toucher?????
Do you have an issue with reading comprehension? I said that Peter was not the first of the fish-hat-wearing boy-touchers.

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This group portrays themselves as prejudiced, because you insist that all Popes are "Boy Touchers" and "the Anti-Christ" not ALL popes are working for Satan.
So you admit that at least some of them did.

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Yes, it is extremely ignorant, and it exposes you for the fool and liar that you are.

Are you even remotely familiar with the Holy Bible?

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Thank you, Pastor. The Romanists deny Christ by worshiping a "Co-Redemptrix" goddess based very loosely on Mary the mother of Jesus.


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Default Re: Open Letter to the Martin Brothers and All Catholics - 04-07-2008, 06:34 PM

I did not realize that Officer Martin had contracted HIV! Looks like the chemo has done quite a number on him.


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Question Re: Open Letter to the Martin Brothers and All Catholics - 04-07-2008, 07:05 PM

Jumpin' Jehosaphats!!!!!!!

Dad is that really you? Mom told me I might be able to find you here.

Why don't you love me any more Dad? Why did you stop sending child support?

Is it because Mom isn't for sure which one of you brothers is my Dad?

Please call me Dad!


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