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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 01-21-2011, 06:52 PM

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i have a few points to make

numerology astrology and any other form of knowledge using which a human tries to predict future is not sin, its futile but its not sin
Did you read the first post in this thread, you idiotic little demon? Of course it's a sin, unless you think you know better than God!
Deuteronomy 18:10-11
There shall not be found among you any one ... that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

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second no church can guarantee salvation no other temple or mosque of that sort
Correct. Only Jesus can. We're just passing on His message to you. You don't get that at a mosque.
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third Jesus is not a joke so would the admin please remove the Jesus smiley
Will do, as soon as the Papist idolaters remove all the dying Jesus figures off their crucifixes. Or do you think it's acceptable to bow down to graven idols in direct contradiction of God's commands, but not to host a small yellow .gif image on a website?
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salvation is a different concept you get it when you don't want it actually you get it when you don't want anything
Provide scripture to support that claim, please.


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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 05-27-2011, 01:59 AM

Shout GLORY!!!


Who Will Jesus Damn?

Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 01:16 AM

O, hypocrites! You say that God hates, and so you are right. However, you say God hates the sinners, and that is wrong. You say God hates the gay, that is wrong. You say God hates the adulterer, that is wrong. You say God hates the lot person, that is wrong. You say God hates all who are not saved, that is wrong. You say God hates the hypocrites, that is wrong. All of you say you are true Christians of Christ. However, where is your faith in grace? Can any of you say that you were saved at birth? If you can, then I am required to call you an antichrist! If you were not saved at birth, then by your logic, God should hate you! That is WRONG. God loves EVERYONE. Read your Bibles again, and lets look at the first verse that comes to mind. John 3:16 "For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life". Where is your faith in such grace? Have you forgotten that we are not meant to be followers of the OT law where we are all condemned in our sin, but to follow after Christ and his law of grace? Where are you, church? Awake from this slumber of deceit! Jesus raised up the adulteress and sent her on her way with grace. He looks upon the gays of the earth and still let them live with the hope that we (his CHURCH) will aid them and show them the way to grace. He lets YOU live...because he LOVES you. He saw you, in your sin, clothed in rags and smelling of iniquity....and he loved you. If any of you who are truly saved in Christ by believing on his name, on his works, on his sacrifice truly remember God's tender love when he clothed you in salvation...rise up. This is darkness that has brought you in. Let not this awful "church" be a part of you ANY longer. Go out into the world, share with them the love that God shared with you. Because I guarantee all of you, you will not win over a sinner with a long-winded argument. LOVE is the evidence of something More. Be that vessel containing that evidence. God is holding out his arm for you to come away from all of this. Ephesians 2:8-9
Romans 6:14
Romans 8:37-39
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John 3:16
Bless all of you. Rise from the ashes of the hypocrisy of man. You are all capable of more than pointing fingers at sinners. You are capable of BEING more than sinners. Grace's robe is waiting to be wrapped around you. Just say the words, and before you know it, Jesus will be with you. I know. I used to be where you are now.
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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 01:23 AM

Sorry, that is 1 John 4:14
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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 01:26 AM

Well that's nice, dear. Say, why don't you go introduce yourself so we know with whom we are Praising Jesus!


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 01:30 AM

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A LOT OF THINGS ALREADY DISCUSSED IN MANY OTHER THREADS
Sorry, but I'm really slow. How are this things you say related to the topic of Numerology? Do you consider it a sin or not?


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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 01:45 AM

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O, hypocrites! You say that God hates, and so you are right. . .God loves EVERYONE. Read your Bibles again, and lets look at the first verse that comes to mind. John 3:16 "For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life". . . . Because I guarantee all of you, you will not win over a sinner with a long-winded argument.
My, you are such a fluffy-bunny, aren't you? I need to make a sweater from your luxuriant fur before it goes up in flames when you get to you-know-where.


Now, considering how much of your blathering post I had to delete before it made any sense, I'd say that you are the long-winded one. And we never really stoop to argue here at the Landover Baptist forum, nor do we worry about "winning over" sinners.


We just lay out the scripture and let the Holy Book speak for Itself. Jesus alone wins over souls as He pleases.


Regarding your use of scripture, you mention John 3:16 as the first one that "comes to mind"-- your mind is what you mean. Because your soft and cuddly brain cells will always gravitate to the easier to accept parts of the Bible.


If you want to be a Lion For the Lord, I suggest that you follow your own exhortation and read YOUR Bible again. Please pay close attention to the bits that explain that you can't ignore any of the other bits. Then, read the parts that your fluffy little heart wants to pretend aren't there.


After that, we'll sit down at the grown-up table and talk.


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O, hypocrites! You say that God hates, and so you are right.
Thank you, dear.

Welcome to the forum. Also, have you ever heard of paragraphs? They are useful, you know.

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However, you say God hates the sinners, and that is wrong.
Are you saying, that the Holy Bible is wrong?

Leviticus 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.


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You say God hates the gay, that is wrong.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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You say God hates the adulterer, that is wrong.
Deuteronomy 22:22 - If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, [both] the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

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You say God hates the lot person, that is wrong.
Huh?

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You say God hates all who are not saved, that is wrong.
Oh really? Then why did He create Hell?

Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


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You say God hates the hypocrites, that is wrong.

Matthew 6:1 - Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.


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All of you say you are true Christians of Christ. However, where is your faith in grace? Can any of you say that you were saved at birth? If you can, then I am required to call you an antichrist! If you were not saved at birth, then by your logic, God should hate you! That is WRONG.
This is a very non-Biblical string of assumptions.

2 Chronicles 7:14 - If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


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God loves EVERYONE. Read your Bibles again, and lets look at the first verse that comes to mind. John 3:16 "For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life".
Where does it say in this verse that God loves everyone? It only says "the world," and "world" is a very different concept from "all people."

Also, keep reading, sweetie:

John 3:17-18
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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Where is your faith in such grace? Have you forgotten that we are not meant to be followers of the OT law where we are all condemned in our sin, but to follow after Christ and his law of grace?
Oooh? Then why did Jesus say this:

Matthew 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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Where are you, church? Awake from this slumber of deceit!
Why are you calling the Holy Bible "deceit"?

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Jesus raised up the adulteress and sent her on her way with grace. He looks upon the gays of the earth and still let them live with the hope that we (his CHURCH) will aid them and show them the way to grace.
We try to do our best in this regard (duh, this is why we have this forum).

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He lets YOU live...because he LOVES you. He saw you, in your sin, clothed in rags and smelling of iniquity....and he loved you. If any of you who are truly saved in Christ by believing on his name, on his works, on his sacrifice truly remember God's tender love when he clothed you in salvation...rise up. This is darkness that has brought you in.


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Let not this awful "church" be a part of you ANY longer. Go out into the world, share with them the love that God shared with you.
And what the heck do you think I'm doing right now?!

P.S. You have never explained whom God hates in your view (based on the first line of your post).
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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 03:44 AM

Sad as it is to say, I laughed at many of your replies to my exhortation to re-examine the hate that you lot have so faithfully clung to. After reading this entire article, I caught sight of it and almost burst into tears. No, I have ignored nothing. Jesus has not abolished the old law, but we should not let it hang over our heads such as is happening over this "forum". (I am just now seeing the crucified emoji and the deaths of Muslim terrorists...no comment). I looked at the scripture that a couple of you have used, and it only furthered my sadness...First off, I do enjoy paragraphs, but I do not find them necessary at all moments in time. Thank you for trying to point that out to me, though, it is greatly appreciated. All of the quotes used against the arguments made in the position of "God hates the sin, not the sinner" did not have a great foundation, if I may say so. Many of them were flimsy in the sense that they referred to old laws, but not the absolute hate from God, and I see that just about all of them were Old Testament, which I have nothing against. Now, concerning the many where only the people committing the sin were MENTIONED but not CONDEMNED TO DEATH, I almost laughed at that one and cried all at once, if that can make sense to any of you. Jesus is merely calling out the different sins being committed by those that "uphold the law" (speaking of the OT law). Just like the law itself, he calls out the imperfection in the Pharisees and such people. However, if you read on throughout the Gospels, he always comes back to the grace and salvation he is offering them after each new sin is revealed. So...how can one say that God hates a sinner if he also loves him enough to give him a Way to salvation? That seems a tad bit double-minded. (lol remembered the paragraph) While you lot can be as condescending towards me, I will completely let you. See, I used to act like you lot: hating sinners and trying to convert them "militantly". And then I too felt unjust under the law of God. Then he revealed grace in its true form. What I am getting at is, it is still too sweet for me to describe with my own, human words. So, please forgive me on that matter.
My dear true Christians, those who are out there, I will happily listen to your beliefs that God positively hates sinners if you could lay it out for me. While I know that very thesis is wrong, I would still like to see who can protect the antithesis. I love you all, and forgive you all. ^^
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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 03:49 AM

That is rather odd. I am sure that I included three paragraphs. Ah, well.
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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 03:58 AM

I have said my piece of Good News for the sinners and the saints. Now, I will likely never come back to this server. As long as I have shouted about God's Saving Grace from the mountaintops, I'm living a swell life! I love you all and wish you all the best. I hope that, those of you who have accepted Christ, we will all walk in heaven together! Aren't you just so glad to trust in Jesus? lol I'm giddy.
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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 04:12 AM

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I have said my piece of Good News for the sinners and the saints. Now, I will likely never come back to this server. As long as I have shouted about God's Saving Grace from the mountaintops, I'm living a swell life! I love you all and wish you all the best. I hope that, those of you who have accepted Christ, we will all walk in heaven together! Aren't you just so glad to trust in Jesus? lol I'm giddy.


You will not be missed. Such a snarky response to the people that really love God!


Jeremiah 9:23 "Thus saith theLord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:


1 John 4:20: "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"




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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 04:15 AM

Bless him, Lord.
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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 04:23 AM

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God loves EVERYONE.
Ok. Let us see:
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Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Both the OT and the NT agree here. There was a person God hated. You have a couple of options as follows:
  • You could admit that you erred. No big deal. This does not count as an unforgivable sin (Matthew 12:31) so you still have a chance for Heaven, albeit a slim one.
  • You can tell that it is all statistics, that one person does not matter. How could it not matter, as everyone means every single one without exceptions?
  • You can tell that this part of the Bible is fallacious or doesn't matter in which case you must give us (and Jesus) a detailed list of the sections that do matter, why they matter and why everything else can be discarded.
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Sad as it is to say, I laughed at many of your replies to my exhortation
Thank you for your persecution. It reassures me that we're right and you're wrong.

2 Timothy 3:12 - Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.


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No, I have ignored nothing.
Except for the Holy Bible, sweetie.

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Jesus has not abolished the old law, but we should not let it hang over our heads such as is happening over this "forum".
Please cite Scripture to support your claim.

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I looked at the scripture that a couple of you have used, and it only furthered my sadness...
Why?

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All of the quotes used against the arguments made in the position of "God hates the sin, not the sinner" did not have a great foundation, if I may say so.
Ooh?

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Many of them were flimsy in the sense that they referred to old laws, but not the absolute hate from God, and I see that just about all of them were Old Testament, which I have nothing against.
If you have nothing against it, then why don't you want to do what Jesus tells us to do - FOLLOW IT?

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Now, concerning the many where only the people committing the sin were MENTIONED but not CONDEMNED TO DEATH,
God wants them to be stoned to death. How is that not a condemnation, exactly?

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I almost laughed at that one and cried all at once, if that can make sense to any of you.
Not really, but you haven't been too coherent so far, so it's not really surprising.

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Jesus is merely calling out the different sins being committed by those that "uphold the law" (speaking of the OT law). Just like the law itself, he calls out the imperfection in the Pharisees and such people.
No He doesn't. READ IT. He actually says that the Pharisees are righteous people, but that True Christians™ have to be even more righteous.

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However, if you read on throughout the Gospels, he always comes back to the grace and salvation he is offering them after each new sin is revealed. So...how can one say that God hates a sinner if he also loves him enough to give him a Way to salvation?
Dr. White has already addressed that question with appropriate Scripture.

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Then he revealed grace in its true form. What I am getting at is, it is still too sweet for me to describe with my own, human words.
OK....?

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My dear true Christians, those who are out there, I will happily listen to your beliefs that God positively hates sinners if you could lay it out for me.
While it would be advisable for you to read the Holy Bible for yourself, here is a short selection of the verses where God says whom He hates:

Leviticus 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Leviticus 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Deuteronomy 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalm 10:3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalm 53:5 There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.

Psalm 73:20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Psalm 78:59 When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:

Psalm 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 22:14 The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein.

Lamentations 2:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

Zechariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Revelation 2:6; 15 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.


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While I know that very thesis is wrong,
Someone smart once said that mind is like parachute: it works better when it's open.

It would be beneficial for you to be a little bit more humble (James 4:6) and not assume that you already have all the answers.

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I would still like to see who can protect the antithesis. I love you all, and forgive you all. ^^
Oh, thank you, sweetie!

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I have said my piece of Good News for the sinners and the saints. Now, I will likely never come back to this server. As long as I have shouted about God's Saving Grace from the mountaintops, I'm living a swell life! I love you all and wish you all the best. I hope that, those of you who have accepted Christ, we will all walk in heaven together! Aren't you just so glad to trust in Jesus? lol I'm giddy.
Bye then! Enjoy your life before you enter the gates of Hell!
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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-11-2016, 06:40 AM

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First off, I do enjoy paragraphs, but I do not find them necessary at all moments in time.
You do realize there's a whole world between "no paragraphs / wall of text" and "all paragraphs at all moments in time"?

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So...how can one say that God hates a sinner if he also loves him enough to give him a Way to salvation? That seems a tad bit double-minded.
So instead you prefer to think that God loves everyone, and then proceeds to toss most of the people He loves into Hell for all eternity (Matthew 25:31-46)? Doesn't that seem, er, a bit... psychopathic to you? I mean, with friends like that, who needs enemies, right?

Egads, I'd hate to see how you treat people you love if this is fine by your moral standards.


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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-12-2016, 07:07 AM

Harold Camping made his numerous false predictions by using numerology and making allegorical interpretations of the Holy Bible to make it say whatever he wanted it to say even though 1 Peter 1 and Acts 1 tell us that no true prophecy comes by one's personal interpretation and Acts 1 tells us that it is not for us to know the date of the last day. :ro fl3:



Revelation 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."
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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-12-2016, 03:58 PM

An interesting fact about the warning in Deuteronomy 18:10-13 is that hidden within those verses is a Message from God proving that it was He who wrote the words, and not Ezra who was the High Priest at the time The Book of Deuteronomy was found hidden among the archives.

Please note the position in the verse that the letters which clearly spell out “no numerology” are in the verses:
De:18:10: There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
De:18:11: Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
De:18:12: For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
De:18:13: Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

To save you counting, I have done that for you:

Simply add the numbers together, then add the digits of the result and, if necessary at the digits of that result: this is your final number.

11+23+50+74 = 158 = 1+5+8 = 14 = 1+4 = 5 -> Deuteronomy is book 5
8+21+64 = 93 = 12 = 3 -> we look at Chapter 3
12+47+84+90 = 233 = 8 -> we look at verse 8 -> De:3:8: And we took at that time out of the hand of the two kings of the Amorites the land that was on this side Jordan, from the river of Arnon unto mount Hermon;
33 = 33 = 6

To check this, we now add the digits of each number

1+1+2+3+5+0+7+4 = 23 = 2+3 = 5
8+2+1+6+4 = 21 = 2+1 = 3
1+2+4+7+8+4+9+0 = 35 = 3+5 = 8

Amazingly, the sums are the same!!!

This is the God's Work!!!. These verse clearly describes the hatred that God has for those who practice Numerology - God will see them defeated!

Here we have proof that numerology is truly an abomination in the Sight of God!





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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 09-12-2016, 04:35 PM

I wonder if Deuteronomy 18:10-11
There shall not be found among you any one ... that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.


Can be applied to meteorologists. They are observer of times, and try to predict the future, with many days of advance:





Any Pastor or True Christian that could kindly answer? Please do not use big words, as I'm really slow.
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Default Re: Numerology is a SIN!! - 11-16-2016, 01:44 AM

WOW. Hate overfloweth here!


1) Is there not an entire book of the bible titled "NUMBERS"? Words have a broad application depending on one's definition. The bible is chock full of symbolism REGARDING NUMBERS. The bible starts out using numbers in Genesis, i.e. ... 7 days of creation. God made the earth that has 7 oceans, 7 continents, and the number 7 and it's derivatives are used 562 times in the bible. The number 40 is used over 200 times in the bible. The number 12 ... Jesus had 12 disciples, 12 tribes of Israel. In revelations 12:1 the 24 elders and 144,000 are both multiples of 12. The new Jerusalem has 12 foundations, 12 gates, 12 thousand furlongs, a tree with 12 kinds of fruit 12 times a year eaten by 12 x 12000 or the 144,000. Books of the bible are numbered as are the chapters and verses. Every statement in the bible numbered. Additionally, Jesus incorporated numbers into some of his parables as they relate to the future. In accordance with your definition of "numerology" Jesus stands guilty of using numerology and telling all of us who read them to as well as his parables relate to the future and involve numbers. The number 40 is used over 200 times in the bible, the number 9 is often found in scripture as is the number 1. The very principle of the New Testament is based on the Trinity (the number 3). I cannot find anything specific in the scriptures that blatantly states that numerology is a sin.


2) That being said, I am appalled by the hate that every single post here displays towards fellow brethren in Christ. The very thing Jesus warned of the most and apparently it is completely lost on you folks. Guard your hearts and minds from hate. Hate is the enemy. You single out verses and apply them out of context to suit your personal agendas and bolster your arguments as we see all too often on Christian based forums. Love for one another is nowhere to be found in your hearts and that is obvious based on your words. You can share your perspective without the proverbial stoning of one another out of hatred. Love takes precedence even over faith and that makes it the most important message of the bible.


Matthew 22:37-39 Jesus replied, "Love your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it. Love your neighbor as yourself."


1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.


1 Corinthians 13:13 And now these three remain: Faith hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


1 Corinthians 13:4-5 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.


Ephesians 4:2 Be completely humble and gentle; bearing with one another in love.

1 Peter 4:8 Above all, love each other deeply because love covers over a multitude of sins.


1 John 4:7 Dear friends, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.


Colossians 3:14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.


3) It appears that most of you commenting on the subject of numerology and the many scriptures quoted out of context here are absolutely certain your definitions and perspectives on God's word are the only correct definitions and perspectives despite the vast amount of ambiguity throughout the bible. You are so certain you have it ALL figured out with your limited and rigid perspectives that you seem unwilling to glean any new insight regarding the bible which is full of mystery. If this is not true then explain the book of Revelations just to start. You seem so certain your interpretation is correct that you are willing to take it upon yourselves to go ahead and condemn anyone not agreeing with you to hell's fire. We are expressly told in the bible not to take the words literally and if we do it will lead to spiritual death. I have been struggling so hard to understand the various messages conveyed in the bible and because of the complexities therein I am certain I will not reach a complete understanding of the same in this short lifetime, however, I am content with remaining a student anxious to learn and listen to all opinions in my quest for meaning which is the very thing that brings me to this forum and many like it. I am saddened to say that the only thing they all seem to have in common is hate and intolerance for one another.


2 Corinthians 3:4-6


The Spirit, Not the Letter
And we have such trust through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit;[a] for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


2 Corinthians 4


The Light of Christ’s Gospel
Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.


4) Last but not least, I am dumbfounded by the fact that you wrap Jesus in the American flag when clearly American culture is steeped in Egyptian symbolism, including the donations you are happy to collect on behalf of your ministry (pyramids on the back of the dollar bill). The Washington monument is an obelisk. You are worshiping your country simultaneously while wrapping your Lord and Savior in the American flag. Are you suggesting God condones your doing so? Can you please explain what makes you think that?
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